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Dubstep BPM Question
Posted on: 14.06.2012 by Jerica Salava
I notice that dubstep tracks are sold and labeled as 140 BPM (for example).

When I listen to them they sound like 70 BPM to me. The snare lands on the 2 and 4 beat right ???

Why are they labeled 140 BPM ? What does Traktor/Serato etc. usually analyze them at?

That high 140 BPM sounds strange to me as the beat groove is slow like 70 BPM.

Thanks.

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Ada Matzkin
17.06.2012
Originally Posted by Cybertrash
This is, once again, because the drums are in half time, you dance to the beat, no? If you listen to the bass, the leads and the hi-hats you'll notice they're in 140.

Geez, what is this, dubstepcommunity .com?

im sorry but this statement, and pretty much this whole conversation are arbitrary. the high hats or bass or any instrument are not "in 140". there are only divisions of time. a 32nd note high hat pattern at 70 bpm and a 16th note high hat pattern at 140 bpm sound exactly alike. so basically this whole argument is like asking "is the glass 1/2 full, or 4/8 full or 8/16 full ?"

in the end the BPM is just a reference tool. and since you can halve or double anything to compensate , it just doesnt matter.
Rosenda Gossage
17.06.2012
Originally Posted by MyUsername
I agree with loverocket on this one.

If you mixed a 140 BPM track into a 70 BPM track, you 'd have kicks emerging from nowhere, so the crowd suddenly needs to change their groove, eliminating the purpose of beatmatching entirely.

Why would you call it 140 BPM if there aren't 140 beats in a minute.
It could, could be produced at 140 but that still doesn't make it 140 BPM, if the producer selected 140 in his daw but did his percussion halftime, you get me ?

There is a big difference IMO between:

Massive kick - low velocity kick - Earthshattering snare - low velocity kick (&Repeat)

and this:

Massive kick - eerie silence - Earthshattering snare - eerie silence (&Reapeat)


If I'm wrong that's possible, but I see some major differences here.
Yes. One of those "tunes" has rests in it, one doesn't. A rest can still be a beat, it's just a beat that's silent.

There _are_ 140 beats (ish) a minute in most dubstep. Whether a kick drum exists on the beat or not, the beat is still there. That's what makes it 140 bpm.
Jerica Salava
17.06.2012		one more thing. Happy Father's Day out there.
Jerica Salava
17.06.2012
Originally Posted by Shane Says
I believe everyone is getting hung up on the fact that the beats are typically at 70 because it's half-time 140. But like someone else said the majority of the other instrumentals are at 140. Fruity loops was used by a lot of dubstep producers back in the 2000's and this was the default bpm setting of the software.
so it was a lazy Fruity Loops BPM error by the early pioneers in dubstep. That is actually a logical answer. And kind of down and dirty. Like "We don't need no education." The end justifies the means. Cool stuff. We should update wikipedia. haha.

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Jerica Salava
17.06.2012		Here is further proof: DATSIK a "dubstep producer" talks about the New 110 BPM dubstep trend. Does that mean it's really 220 BPM ??? haha. Fast Forward to >> 3:45 for the comment:


Salvatore Husley
17.06.2012		I believe everyone is getting hung up on the fact that the beats are typically at 70 because it's half-time 140. But like someone else said the majority of the other instrumentals are at 140. Fruity loops was used by a lot of dubstep producers back in the 2000's and this was the default bpm setting of the software.
Nereida Jasnoch
17.06.2012
Originally Posted by Cybertrash
Because the drums are in half-time?

Anyhow, does it really matter which exact BPM it is? 70/140 is all the same really, as long as you beatmatch it you're good.
I agree with loverocket on this one.

If you mixed a 140 BPM track into a 70 BPM track, you 'd have kicks emerging from nowhere, so the crowd suddenly needs to change their groove, eliminating the purpose of beatmatching entirely.

Why would you call it 140 BPM if there aren't 140 beats in a minute.
It could, could be produced at 140 but that still doesn't make it 140 BPM, if the producer selected 140 in his daw but did his percussion halftime, you get me ?

There is a big difference IMO between:

Massive kick - low velocity kick - Earthshattering snare - low velocity kick (&Repeat)

and this:

Massive kick - eerie silence - Earthshattering snare - eerie silence (&Reapeat)


If I'm wrong that's possible, but I see some major differences here.
Nereida Jasnoch
17.06.2012
Originally Posted by Will M.D
Did anyone else notice that pretty much all Dubstep is exactly 140 and not a variation of?
It seems the dubstep producers haven't worked out how to move the BPM function in (insert used daw here)...
I bring to your attention Evidence A:



This track has a BPM of 143.
140 was always the go to tempo since the genesis of dubstep but for some reason some producers like to make it a bit more challenging for those of us who do not use sync so they bring out some 135, 142,143 or 145 BPM, you know, just to mess with us
Jona Slon
17.06.2012		70 bpm doubled is 140 bpm it doesn't matter what you use because if you have a song at 70 and another at 140 and they both start at the same time they will be synced.
Tobi Rabuse
17.06.2012		A lot of dubstep is actually played at 3 main BPM's, being 140, 110 and 100. The kick lands on the first beat of every bar, and the snare lands on the third beat of every bar in most cases.
Tenisha Hejazi
17.06.2012		In most songs the drums are half time but the lead lines sound more like 140(or around there). And anyway, who raves at 70 BPM....?
Latoria Kavulich
16.06.2012		Not a big dubstep fan but sneaking in a dubstep tune (or parts of) in the middle of one of my 136-142 sets sounds badass, great way to spice things up
Evelyn Navarijo
16.06.2012
Originally Posted by Will M.D
I can mix Hip Hop into Drum & Bass does that mean DnB is 86 bpm?

I knew i'd been going wrong somewhere

Did anyone else notice that pretty much all Dubstep is exactly 140 and not a variation of?
It seems the dubstep producers haven't worked out how to move the BPM function in (insert used daw here)...
I dunno, a lot of the tunes I pick up on vinyl are around 138-146, a lot of the old school guys especially are starting to experiment with alternative tempos (I've seen quite a bit of 96bpm stuff out there lately).
Marybelle Ver
16.06.2012		I can mix Hip Hop into Drum & Bass does that mean DnB is 86 bpm?

I knew i'd been going wrong somewhere

Did anyone else notice that pretty much all Dubstep is exactly 140 and not a variation of?
It seems the dubstep producers haven't worked out how to move the BPM function in (insert used daw here)...
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
16.06.2012		you have finer pitch resolution at 140bpm and it's probably better for the master tempo algorithm
Evelyn Navarijo
16.06.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
it matters because it is correct. when I see people dancing to dubstep they are not going 140BPM like a shuffler they are grooving at 70 BPM like a rastafarian.
This is, once again, because the drums are in half time, you dance to the beat, no? If you listen to the bass, the leads and the hi-hats you'll notice they're in 140.

Geez, what is this, dubstepcommunity .com?
Brunilda Kora
16.06.2012
they are grooving at 70 BPM like a rastafarian.
Now THAT is the funniest post I've read in a loooong time.

Jah.
Arla Seniw
17.06.2012		But when people are dancing to drum and bass are they dancing to everybeat... The rhythm that people dance is not an accurate measurement if a measurement at all of bpm?
Jerica Salava
17.06.2012		it matters because it is correct. when I see people dancing to dubstep they are not going 140BPM like a shuffler they are grooving at 70 BPM like a rastafarian.
Evelyn Navarijo
17.06.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
How come when I mix it with a 70 BPM hip hop track the snares are synced up? Sounds like 70 BPM to me.
Because the drums are in half-time?

Anyhow, does it really matter which exact BPM it is? 70/140 is all the same really, as long as you beatmatch it you're good.
Jerica Salava
16.06.2012		How come when I mix it with a 70 BPM hip hop track the snares are synced up? Sounds like 70 BPM to me.
Arla Seniw
15.06.2012		Its 140 (because of its connection to grime) but what people call half step or half time so the snares land on the 2 and 4 over 2 bars instead of in one.
Salvatore Husley
15.06.2012		Its' 140 bpm. That's where the step comes from. Don't let anyone tell you it's 70 bpm.
Lashawn Maycock
15.06.2012
Originally Posted by ellgieff
The snares would be on the 2 and 4, but someone stole half of the snares from all the Dubstep producers in the world, so they can only afford to use one in a measure.

So they put them on the 3.
Brilliant, funniest post I've read for ages, made me chuckle that. Bravo!
Rosenda Gossage
14.06.2012
Originally Posted by loverocket
I notice that dubstep tracks are sold and labeled as 140 BPM (for example).

When I listen to them they sound like 70 BPM to me. The snare lands on the 2 and 4 beat right ???

Why are they labeled 140 BPM ? What does Traktor/Serato etc. usually analyze them at?

That high 140 BPM sounds strange to me as the beat groove is slow like 70 BPM.

Thanks.

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The snares would be on the 2 and 4, but someone stole half of the snares from all the Dubstep producers in the world, so they can only afford to use one in a measure.

So they put them on the 3.
Eileen Sailes
14.06.2012		If it reads at 70bpm click times 2 in the beat grid, or divide 2 in the beat grid panel, or whatever you believe it calls for. I ussually set all my 70 bpm dubstep at 140 just to keep things moving smoothly.
Pansy Shiveley
14.06.2012		You can change the BPM range between which traktor sets the BPM. By default, I believe this is 78-155. You can change this in settings -> file management, if you like, but you can easily just divide the BPM by 2.
Marybelle Ver
14.06.2012		Imho All Dubstep is 140bpm, it might Sound like 70 but you can happily mix it with anything Breaks around 135+ (as long as you beat match it) Have a go at mixing some breaks & dubstep around 137bpm (generally dubstep seems to all be at 140 for some reason!).

I don't feel that its at 70 but then its like saying dnb is supposed to be at 172bpm but your program picks it up as 86bpm.
You can dance to it at 86bpm half step time or you can go full out crazy 172 style skankin...

I've never tried to mix anything at 70bpm into dubstep but i'm sure it'd work somehow, halves and all that!

Could be interesting...

Peace

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