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Is the GEMA in Germany losing sight of normality? Who are they protecting really?
Posted on: 03.07.2012 by Rey Holubar
Hi,

We all believe artist, especially artists who create music, should get rewarded properly for their hard work, when it is used by others. In Germany, the GEMA (Gesellschaft f
Janyce Henningson
03.07.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
it doesn
Matt Kane
03.07.2012
Originally Posted by Nicky H
What if there is no entrance fee? e.g. bars etc..
it doesn
Rey Holubar
03.07.2012		Hi,

We all believe artist, especially artists who create music, should get rewarded properly for their hard work, when it is used by others. In Germany, the GEMA (Gesellschaft f
Janyce Henningson
03.07.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
it doesn
Matt Kane
03.07.2012
Originally Posted by Nicky H
What if there is no entrance fee? e.g. bars etc..
it doesn
Rey Holubar
03.07.2012		Hi,

We all believe artist, especially artists who create music, should get rewarded properly for their hard work, when it is used by others. In Germany, the GEMA (Gesellschaft f
Matt Kane
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
...there will be blood on the streets and murder on the dancefloor!
fixed it.
Isa Erik
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by MyUsername
In belgium some reporters showcased some outrageous conduct by the Belgian version of this type of organisation. They are called SABAM here.

They made up some artists and songs, just out of thin air and then they told SABAM that they organized a concert and those imaginairy artists were booked. The thing is there were no songs, no protected intellectual property at all BUT they still got a bill for a couple hundred euros. There was no actual concert, no actual music, yet still a bill.

They payed the bill anyways and went to collect some money in name of the artists that they made up, but then they were told that they were not covered by SABAM and the artists couldn't collect fees.

So they charge for not covered artists but they don't pay the artists they collect for.

Pretty outrageous.

They also did some other stuff just to fuck with them, like organize a party with lights and everything but they did no promotion and they themselves also didn't show up, so that you have a party with litterally 0 people. Since no one is hearing the music they can't collect money.

Or organize parties with a footprint smaller then 1 square meter, because if you read their policy to the letter they can't collect for that either.


Anyways after their report made it to national television their conduct was altered any are now a lot looser, they 're still bastards, but looser bastards.


And hey, there 's one shimering piece of hope: ACTA was rejected by the EU recently.

EDIT: I wrote this in sleep deprived state, did it make any sense at all ? Much love
same shit here in croatia, it's caled HDS ZAMP. under their political patrons, they have voted a legislation than enables them a % from every customs fee on writable media (CDs, DVDs, USBs, memory cards, HDD's)
and they also charge for DJ licences (about 200EUR)
Janyce Henningson
03.07.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
it doesn
Matt Kane
03.07.2012
Originally Posted by Nicky H
What if there is no entrance fee? e.g. bars etc..
it doesn
Rey Holubar
03.07.2012		Hi,

We all believe artist, especially artists who create music, should get rewarded properly for their hard work, when it is used by others. In Germany, the GEMA (Gesellschaft f
Matt Kane
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
...there will be blood on the streets and murder on the dancefloor!
fixed it.
Isa Erik
04.07.2012
Originally Posted by MyUsername
In belgium some reporters showcased some outrageous conduct by the Belgian version of this type of organisation. They are called SABAM here.

They made up some artists and songs, just out of thin air and then they told SABAM that they organized a concert and those imaginairy artists were booked. The thing is there were no songs, no protected intellectual property at all BUT they still got a bill for a couple hundred euros. There was no actual concert, no actual music, yet still a bill.

They payed the bill anyways and went to collect some money in name of the artists that they made up, but then they were told that they were not covered by SABAM and the artists couldn't collect fees.

So they charge for not covered artists but they don't pay the artists they collect for.

Pretty outrageous.

They also did some other stuff just to fuck with them, like organize a party with lights and everything but they did no promotion and they themselves also didn't show up, so that you have a party with litterally 0 people. Since no one is hearing the music they can't collect money.

Or organize parties with a footprint smaller then 1 square meter, because if you read their policy to the letter they can't collect for that either.


Anyways after their report made it to national television their conduct was altered any are now a lot looser, they 're still bastards, but looser bastards.


And hey, there 's one shimering piece of hope: ACTA was rejected by the EU recently.

EDIT: I wrote this in sleep deprived state, did it make any sense at all ? Much love
same shit here in croatia, it's caled HDS ZAMP. under their political patrons, they have voted a legislation than enables them a % from every customs fee on writable media (CDs, DVDs, USBs, memory cards, HDD's)
and they also charge for DJ licences (about 200EUR)
robin loo
04.07.2012		the ACTA voting is today.. but will probably fail.

time to become a CC and netlabel DJ so you will be booked all the time
Nereida Jasnoch
03.07.2012		In belgium some reporters showcased some outrageous conduct by the Belgian version of this type of organisation. They are called SABAM here.

They made up some artists and songs, just out of thin air and then they told SABAM that they organized a concert and those imaginairy artists were booked. The thing is there were no songs, no protected intellectual property at all BUT they still got a bill for a couple hundred euros. There was no actual concert, no actual music, yet still a bill.

They payed the bill anyways and went to collect some money in name of the artists that they made up, but then they were told that they were not covered by SABAM and the artists couldn't collect fees.

So they charge for not covered artists but they don't pay the artists they collect for.

Pretty outrageous.

They also did some other stuff just to fuck with them, like organize a party with lights and everything but they did no promotion and they themselves also didn't show up, so that you have a party with litterally 0 people. Since no one is hearing the music they can't collect money.

Or organize parties with a footprint smaller then 1 square meter, because if you read their policy to the letter they can't collect for that either.


Anyways after their report made it to national television their conduct was altered any are now a lot looser, they 're still bastards, but looser bastards.


And hey, there 's one shimering piece of hope: ACTA was rejected by the EU recently.

EDIT: I wrote this in sleep deprived state, did it make any sense at all ? Much love
Ossie Pooley
03.07.2012		This is an absolute joke. Censorship and ownership are taken to a whole new level these days.
Janyce Henningson
03.07.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
it doesn
Matt Kane
03.07.2012
Originally Posted by Nicky H
What if there is no entrance fee? e.g. bars etc..
it doesn
Romelia Stankard
03.07.2012		Content mafia, nothing more.
Janyce Henningson
03.07.2012		Wow 40000 euro's for a 101 square metre dancefloor?

Although if it opens twice a week and a bit more xmas / new year it only works out at about 330 euros a evening - which sounds reasonable, until you realise that it will probably come out of the DJ's wage...

What if there is no entrance fee? e.g. bars etc..

If I owned a club I'd consider cheap entrance fees, but I'm sure it's not that simple..
robin loo
03.07.2012		thanks for posting this here.. i totally forgot to spread the word on the community s.. if this changes come true this will be a disaster for germanys evening club scene..

here is a infographic (in german)



translation help:
qm = square meters
eintritt = entrance fee
Euro/Jahr = € per year
Katy Rufino
03.07.2012		As of a couple of days ago I noticed that Pandora is no longer available here - I'm willing to bet that has something to do with GEMA. I can't count the number of songs I've purchased after hearing them on that site.

This doesn't seem a whole lot different from the type of believeing displayed by the RIAA and MPAA though, just maybe different details.

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