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Anyone Spin Hard Dance?
Posted on: 12.06.2012 by Cristian Carmona
Do any of you's spin Hard Dance, like Hardstyle, Hard House, Hardcore, Gabber, UK Hardcore, Early/Old School Gabber? I know a hand full of guys here on DJTT spin it, just wanted to see what you guys spin and some of your favorite artist, djs, duo, or producers.

Ill start,

Gabber Hardcore is what I like to spin mostly stuff from the Netherlands & Italia. artist, DJ Isaac, The Viper, Neophyte, Stunned Guys, Bass-D & King Matthew. Some the newer guys production stuff Im really digging are, Evil Activities, Angerfist, Dj Outblast, Tha Playah.

I wanted to see if any of you guys spin HC made in the states?
Birgit Gondal
19.07.2012
Originally Posted by DJ JesC
+1...also link me to ur musica Senor!
Cristian Carmona
21.06.2012
Originally Posted by Sublim&All
You should come here for such a party once. Early hardcore is still played at some parties here, and true gabbers still exist, though quite underground. Really nice people, and more purist than most other music lovers on this planet. They truly love the music.

One of the biggest frequent parties here doing the oldskool thing is a party named Mindcontroller. Maybe you can look it up for some livesets
its a dream to spin in NL, for like minded fellow gabbers! I need to look up these mindcontrollers.
Viviana Tarno
21.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJ JesC
Yes gabber is not a genre, and us people in the states butcher it. I refer to gabber hardcore as classic 90s hardcore. The OG stuff from Rotterdam. I might not be from NL, but I respect the true Gabbers.
You should come here for such a party once. Early hardcore is still played at some parties here, and true gabbers still exist, though quite underground. Really nice people, and more purist than most other music lovers on this planet. They truly love the music.

One of the biggest frequent parties here doing the oldskool thing is a party named Mindcontroller. Maybe you can look it up for some livesets
Sylvia Greener
21.06.2012
Originally Posted by dj jesc
i understood what your saying. Its just me ranting, thats all.
Lol!

Originally Posted by dj jesc
+1...also link me to ur musica senor!
+1
Cristian Carmona
21.06.2012
Originally Posted by No Left Turn
@RockingClub... there's actually quite a bit of hardcore these days that has dubstep/drumstep elements in it. Wobbly fills and drumstep sections. When the drumstep parts are done well, it sounds awesome with the hardcore parts. Unfortunately, so much of it is poorly done so there isn't much of this awesomeness.
+1...also link me to ur musica Senor!
Cristian Carmona
22.06.2012
Originally Posted by RockingClub
Did I say hardcore music has anything to do with dubstep? Didn't intend to say that anyway. Clearly different genres imo. But the bpm of handsup/ hardcore and dubstep is almost similar. You can reduce them to a common denominator which could be about 140-150 bpm (maybe a bit slow for hardcore but anyhow...) and therefore play some songs of these different genres in one set! You don't have to do that of course, but sometimes this might be the extra salt and pepper for your set.
i understood what your saying. its just me ranting, thats all.
Sylvia Greener
21.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJ JesC
i see, i just cringe believeing of my dear hardcore music having anything to do with dubstep. Tho with the new HC producers you hear a wobble here and a there, not too crazy tho.
Did I say hardcore music has anything to do with dubstep? Didn't intend to say that anyway. Clearly different genres imo. But the bpm of handsup/ hardcore and dubstep is almost similar. You can reduce them to a common denominator which could be about 140-150 bpm (maybe a bit slow for hardcore but anyhow...) and therefore play some songs of these different genres in one set! You don't have to do that of course, but sometimes this might be the extra salt and pepper for your set.
Cristian Carmona
20.06.2012
Originally Posted by RockingClub
Yeah!



If I like it? Not my first love but fine! I try mixing handsup and dubstep more and more often as both have 140 bpm. A good way to create the transition to songs with dramatically less bpm like e.g. 100bpm
i see, i just cringe believeing of my dear hardcore music having anything to do with dubstep. Tho with the new HC producers you hear a wobble here and a there, not too crazy tho.
Sylvia Greener
20.06.2012
Originally Posted by No Left Turn
*hands up for handsup*
Yeah!

Originally Posted by DJ JesC
hardstep? like hard+dub+step?
If I like it? Not my first love but fine! I try mixing handsup and dubstep more and more often as both have 140 bpm. A good way to create the transition to songs with dramatically less bpm like e.g. 100bpm
Cristian Carmona
20.06.2012
Originally Posted by RockingClub
Really no love for Handsup music here?
hardstep? like hard+dub+step?
Sylvia Greener
20.06.2012
Originally Posted by RockingClub
Hard Dance also includes Handsup which used to be some kind of commercial dance music in former times. What about this?
If it's not clear which kind of music I am talking about, just listen to these two sick examples:

Flip & Fill feat. Mr. Vegas - Kokaine (The Real Booty Babes Remix)


Example - Change The Way You Kiss Me (Phobia & Shaker Tricky Mix):


Really love this kind of music! Unfortunately zero to none of my friends do either^^
Really no love for Handsup music here?
Georgiann Bayze
19.07.2012		Love Hardstyle, even though my friends dont like it. Im Defending the colours of the harder styles from Down under Australia!!
Birgit Gondal
19.07.2012
Originally Posted by DJ JesC
+1...also link me to ur musica Senor!
Birgit Gondal
19.07.2012		Anyone hear the dominator anthem? tha watchers vocals destroying yet another great track... on the upside i'm so stoked, its in 2 days! if anyone is going to it i'll be the guy in an angerfist mask painted like an irish flag, with a guy in a balaclava and a guy in a gas mask!
Jamila Dusak
18.07.2012		I started off spinning hard dance still will always be my baby.

When I'm old i hope too spin the classics on vinyl!
Cristian Carmona
21.06.2012
Originally Posted by Sublim&All
You should come here for such a party once. Early hardcore is still played at some parties here, and true gabbers still exist, though quite underground. Really nice people, and more purist than most other music lovers on this planet. They truly love the music.

One of the biggest frequent parties here doing the oldskool thing is a party named Mindcontroller. Maybe you can look it up for some livesets
its a dream to spin in NL, for like minded fellow gabbers! I need to look up these mindcontrollers.
Viviana Tarno
21.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJ JesC
Yes gabber is not a genre, and us people in the states butcher it. I refer to gabber hardcore as classic 90s hardcore. The OG stuff from Rotterdam. I might not be from NL, but I respect the true Gabbers.
You should come here for such a party once. Early hardcore is still played at some parties here, and true gabbers still exist, though quite underground. Really nice people, and more purist than most other music lovers on this planet. They truly love the music.

One of the biggest frequent parties here doing the oldskool thing is a party named Mindcontroller. Maybe you can look it up for some livesets
Sylvia Greener
21.06.2012
Originally Posted by dj jesc
i understood what your saying. Its just me ranting, thats all.
Lol!

Originally Posted by dj jesc
+1...also link me to ur musica senor!
+1
Cristian Carmona
21.06.2012
Originally Posted by No Left Turn
@RockingClub... there's actually quite a bit of hardcore these days that has dubstep/drumstep elements in it. Wobbly fills and drumstep sections. When the drumstep parts are done well, it sounds awesome with the hardcore parts. Unfortunately, so much of it is poorly done so there isn't much of this awesomeness.
+1...also link me to ur musica Senor!
Meg Reinoehl
22.06.2012		@RockingClub... there's actually quite a bit of hardcore these days that has dubstep/drumstep elements in it. Wobbly fills and drumstep sections. When the drumstep parts are done well, it sounds awesome with the hardcore parts. Unfortunately, so much of it is poorly done so there isn't much of this awesomeness.
Cristian Carmona
22.06.2012
Originally Posted by RockingClub
Did I say hardcore music has anything to do with dubstep? Didn't intend to say that anyway. Clearly different genres imo. But the bpm of handsup/ hardcore and dubstep is almost similar. You can reduce them to a common denominator which could be about 140-150 bpm (maybe a bit slow for hardcore but anyhow...) and therefore play some songs of these different genres in one set! You don't have to do that of course, but sometimes this might be the extra salt and pepper for your set.
i understood what your saying. its just me ranting, thats all.
Sylvia Greener
21.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJ JesC
i see, i just cringe believeing of my dear hardcore music having anything to do with dubstep. Tho with the new HC producers you hear a wobble here and a there, not too crazy tho.
Did I say hardcore music has anything to do with dubstep? Didn't intend to say that anyway. Clearly different genres imo. But the bpm of handsup/ hardcore and dubstep is almost similar. You can reduce them to a common denominator which could be about 140-150 bpm (maybe a bit slow for hardcore but anyhow...) and therefore play some songs of these different genres in one set! You don't have to do that of course, but sometimes this might be the extra salt and pepper for your set.
Cristian Carmona
20.06.2012
Originally Posted by RockingClub
Yeah!



If I like it? Not my first love but fine! I try mixing handsup and dubstep more and more often as both have 140 bpm. A good way to create the transition to songs with dramatically less bpm like e.g. 100bpm
i see, i just cringe believeing of my dear hardcore music having anything to do with dubstep. Tho with the new HC producers you hear a wobble here and a there, not too crazy tho.
Sylvia Greener
20.06.2012
Originally Posted by No Left Turn
*hands up for handsup*
Yeah!

Originally Posted by DJ JesC
hardstep? like hard+dub+step?
If I like it? Not my first love but fine! I try mixing handsup and dubstep more and more often as both have 140 bpm. A good way to create the transition to songs with dramatically less bpm like e.g. 100bpm
Meg Reinoehl
20.06.2012		*hands up for handsup*
Cristian Carmona
20.06.2012
Originally Posted by RockingClub
Really no love for Handsup music here?
hardstep? like hard+dub+step?
Sylvia Greener
20.06.2012
Originally Posted by RockingClub
Hard Dance also includes Handsup which used to be some kind of commercial dance music in former times. What about this?
If it's not clear which kind of music I am talking about, just listen to these two sick examples:

Flip & Fill feat. Mr. Vegas - Kokaine (The Real Booty Babes Remix)


Example - Change The Way You Kiss Me (Phobia & Shaker Tricky Mix):


Really love this kind of music! Unfortunately zero to none of my friends do either^^
Really no love for Handsup music here?
France Evoniuk
19.06.2012		I've started dabbling in some Happy/UK Hardcore, and I love it >
Cristian Carmona
19.06.2012
Originally Posted by Sublim&All
As I said, 'gabber' is and have never technically have been a genre. At least, not here, where hardcore kind of originated. There was house, that became harder and harder until people started to call it hardcore. a massive culture emerged around it: the gabber culture. People who worshipped this music, bald heads and wearing Cavello/Australian training suits (a.k.a. "aussies") and went to parties every weekend, were known as gabbers.
Nowadays, that genre of hardcore made before the "death" of the gabber culture (so everything up to about the end of the 90s) is named early hardcore.
Yes gabber is not a genre, and us people in the states butcher it. I refer to gabber hardcore as classic 90s hardcore. The OG stuff from Rotterdam. I might not be from NL, but I respect the true Gabbers.
Cornell Inaba
16.06.2012		Nice 1 you know your stuff ! Im a dnb head by heart and dj !
Viviana Tarno
16.06.2012
Originally Posted by Swindla
But most people i know in the uk call it gabber whereas i usually find most europeans call it hardcore
I will add that what you probably know as UK hardcore is usually called happy hardcore round here
UK hardcore is a term not often used here. Happy hardcore though... it's what Mental Theo & Charly Lownoise made! :P
Cornell Inaba
17.06.2012		But most people i know in the uk call it gabber whereas i usually find most europeans call it hardcore
I will add that what you probably know as UK hardcore is usually called happy hardcore round here
Cornell Inaba
17.06.2012		If that is the case then there is technically no drum n bass , just jungle
Viviana Tarno
17.06.2012
Originally Posted by Swindla
Im talking about Gabber a sub genre of Techno/hardcore , subgenres industrial , frenchcore , terror , speedcore , hardstyle
As I said, 'gabber' is and have never technically have been a genre. At least, not here, where hardcore kind of originated. There was house, that became harder and harder until people started to call it hardcore. a massive culture emerged around it: the gabber culture. People who worshipped this music, bald heads and wearing Cavello/Australian training suits (a.k.a. "aussies") and went to parties every weekend, were known as gabbers.
Nowadays, that genre of hardcore made before the "death" of the gabber culture (so everything up to about the end of the 90s) is named early hardcore. Today's "mainstream" hardcore (vast beat, sometimes with vocals and more of a melody) is called mainstream hardcore. Sub genres are darkcore, industrial hardcore, hardcore drum&bass, frenchcore, terror, you name it. But the head genre is hardcore.

Labeling this music as 'gabber' is something only Americans and sometimes the English do. I don't know why, but that's not how it's called here. Hardcore is AFAIK the "official" name of the genre we're talking about, and gabbers were a group of people actively listening to it in the past.
Cornell Inaba
16.06.2012		No sorry i meant the drum n bass evening that used to run there is no more quarantine is still going , i went last may on a coach running from bury.
Audrey Pinda
16.06.2012		Here's a couple video's I've taken over time of the "underground hardcore" scene here in New England. Sometimes we branch and give and get people from NYC, but honestly, not all that often. But shows are amazing here, and there is a wicked family style vibe that just keeps me coming back for it. The music always comes first for me, but it's amazing when things are awesome outside of that as well.

I usually don't remember to bust out my phone for video, so actually having any at all is awesome.

This is end of last summer: (Worcester, MA)


May 12th of this year: (New London, CT)


May 19th I believe: (Stafford Springs, CT?)


And I know it's not "hard" persay, but I'm always impressed when we get the speed garage being played out at shows. I've seen this guy (DJ Parallax) a ton of times, and he's always put on a good set. But it's something that I just honestly don't know if this kind of stuff is played anywhere else much, and it's absolutely funky to get down to:
(Older video, though I did honestly just see him spin last evening and seeing him spin again next Wednesday lol)

(Cambridge, MA - basically Boston)



Just a couple little things though, and I really feel like Hardcore is the backbone of the scene up here for the "bigger" parties if you will. There's always a lot of the other genre's, but for some crazy reason, hardcore brings all SORTS of funky people out of the woodwork. And it takes a normal party and turns it upside-down.

It also seems that it's more of the "one of" events that book harder styles, rather than weekly stuff always. Just seems to be the flow of things, but that's also just my personal opinion. Harder stuff really needs a special time, place, and crowd.

Also, I've yet to play out with it, but I seriously, seriously love mixing hardstyle. Hoping to hit it up by the end of the year, but we'll see how things play out. It's not simple jumping into the underground scene honestly. All about who you know, and what you can do.

http://soundcloud.com/crb/hardstyle-party-animals
http://soundcloud.com/crb/pre-ultra-hardstyle-mix

(And just as reference to how these are relevant; these are the parties I'm trying to work my way into spinning. Not really the "club" circuit persay, more of the deeper underground as I consider it)
Cira Ditz
16.06.2012		aw no - that's a huge shame about Quarantine if it is as I know people who'd been and thought highly of it. I noticed there was one at 53 earlier this year but I don't know how well it did, and tbh the promo and artwork didn't seem up to their previous (which was fabulous) so not sure if the same people were involved.

Tbh - at that level of promoting it's frightening as I know some of the costs based on what level I'm doing it at. As though they're charging way more than me on the door, they're also booking a huge list of DJs and performers, so unless they get a critical mass to not only make it all pay, but to fill the place enough so it doesn't feel empty/'dead', it must wipe people out if it doesn't do well enough.

There was a very big hard dance/industrial evening organised by another group of promoters in December 2010 - really good lineup, two arenas, and again 1st class promo and artwork and a looked like a lot of effort put in by them. And it just happened to be a evening a big snowfall came in. Blocked the roads so DJs travelling up got stranded. Coaches travelling in weren't able to get in. Eventually they had to close early. Must have lost an eye watering fortune and it was their launch evening , and don't believe they ever did another (though not sure of other venues).

I know the flip side at that level is you can make a huge amount too, but still, massive shame to hear of things like that going under despite best efforts.
Cornell Inaba
16.06.2012		Cool i have been Quarantine and also Decibel DnB evening because i know Ben 52 who used to do it with sublow but i don't believe it is still going , fair size too
Cira Ditz
15.06.2012
Originally Posted by DJ JesC
Also do you guys have any mixtapes online? I collect HC mixes to listen to at work. here is the last one i put together. Mixed in Serato, edited in ableton to maximize the LOUDNESS!

http://soundcloud.com/jesc/hardcore-mix-part-2
Rather loving this

Not sure if you'd like my mixes as they're more industrial based, but here's a live one I did at my last event. Ropey mixing but hope you might enjoy some of the tracks

http://soundcloud.com/darkcideclub/electro-cide-jane-dalton-1st
Cira Ditz
15.06.2012
Originally Posted by Swindla
Where is your evening ?
It's a great Uni venue called 53 Degrees, part of the UCLAN SU in Preston. I get to run my alt goth/industrial rock/80s evening s called dark-cide there which do quite well and every so often I save up enough cash to put on an a special hard industrial/ebm spin off evening called electro-cide (and loose it all )

But love the venue so much - it costs a lot of money but is so worth it as the venue is amazing and the staff excellent.

They do put on a lot of much bigger dance and student events there, and there are some promoters who put on hard dance/gabber evening s (believe the best recent-ish one they had was a evening called Quarantine and had Tha Playah which am gutted I missed)

The venue is winding down now it's end of term but am guessing there'll be some big events from Sep onwards.

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