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Harmonic mixing
Posted on: 25.02.2012 by Daine Ziadeh
I've been studying harmonic mixing and practicing and songs blend really nice with each other when you follow the Camelot wheel.

One thing i noticed, while using VDJ is that some songs are on the C#m key, which this is not in the camelot wheel, what should i do to blend this key into another one?
Odis Stirewalt
26.02.2012		btw. you can doubleclick on the note in VDJ then it switches to the numbers-system you know from the camelot wheel ^^
Roseanna Signorini
26.02.2012		I have always felt that mixing in key isn't necessary. There are other factors that will make mixing in key sound horrible, like melody, instrumentation and simply 2 songs that may be in the same key that just don't sound good together. I have always gone by drum beats and bpm and how it sounds by ear.
Margie Pavell
27.02.2012		trust your ears more than any piece of software...
Viviana Tarno
26.02.2012
Originally Posted by JulianVeloso
what should i do to blend this key into another one?
Actually listening to your music?

Seriously, you can also take supporting software TOO far...
Delila Vandommelen
26.02.2012
Originally Posted by petarsun
s there a site where I can download a club track according to its camelot key?
Beatport lists the "proper" keys in the track details. That's as close as you can get but I don't believe you can search along that criteria.
Andreas Ladera
26.02.2012		s there a site where I can download a club track according to its camelot key?
Joselyn Supina
26.02.2012
Originally Posted by dope
I've been wondering, is mixing in key really noticeable ?

Ya know, I'm starting to wonder the same thing.

I mixed harmonically for a couple of months, but don't do it so much anymore. I believe it was helpful in guiding me to make better song choices when I was starting out as well as help limit my selection a bit, but there were always those occasions when songs still didn't work and you could tell this by ear.

I believe the more important steps are knowing your collection and thinning out the crap. that helped me a lot
Daine Ziadeh
26.02.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
Harmonic mixing software and following the camelot wheel is mostly marketing hype (see the first two posts here...) or just general internet hype and in practice is incredibly overrated and when used how most people who pick it up by following the wheel religiously is pretty limiting.

Not to mention a lot of the time with song structure or mixing style key is completely irrelevant, and there is more to mixing in key than going around one direction in a circle.
There is mixing by a semitone which is going from 2A to 9A (adding +7) and 2 semitones which is 2A to 4A (adding +2). That's the only 2 methods i know of.
Romelia Stankard
26.02.2012
Originally Posted by dope
I've been wondering, is mixing in key really noticeable ?
Harmonic mixing software and following the camelot wheel is mostly marketing hype (see the first two posts here...) or just general internet hype and in practice is incredibly overrated and when used how most people who pick it up by following the wheel religiously is pretty limiting.

Not to mention a lot of the time with song structure or mixing style key is completely irrelevant, and there is more to mixing in key than going around one direction in a circle.
Evelynn Pennycook
25.02.2012		sounds a bit cleaner. I use it when I can, but matching the beat and key narrows the selection of the next track.
Daine Ziadeh
25.02.2012		Its really good, you really see difference playing the songs together...i felt in love with it.
Kasi Marget
25.02.2012		I've been wondering, is mixing in key really noticeable ?
Daine Ziadeh
25.02.2012
Originally Posted by Mixed In Key
Hi,

C#m is actually the same key as Dbm. When you see the "#" sign, that's called a Sharp notation, and when you see a "B", that's called Flat. Just different ways of writing the same thing.

To avoid confusion, it's easier to use the Camelot notation. It saves a lot of time, and you don't have to memorize that C#m is compatible with C#m, Dbm, E, F#m, Abm, G#m, and can modulate into Ebm / D#m.

Whew.

12A goes with 11A, 12A, 1A, 12B or modulates into 2A. Much easier if you read http://harmonic-mixing.com/HowTo.aspx


Good luck!
Yakov
thanks alot, i didn't know VDJ was actually capable of showing me the keys in key codes (12A) etc. thanks alot for the quick reposnse.
Bettyann Schat
25.02.2012
Originally Posted by Mixed In Key
Hi,

C#m is actually the same key as Dbm. When you see the "#" sign, that's called a Sharp notation, and when you see a "B", that's called Flat. Just different ways of writing the same thing.

To avoid confusion, it's easier to use the Camelot notation. It saves a lot of time, and you don't have to memorize that C#m is compatible with C#m, Dbm, E, F#m, Abm, G#m, and can modulate into Ebm / D#m.

Whew.

12A goes with 11A, 12A, 1A, 12B or modulates into 2A. Much easier if you read http://harmonic-mixing.com/HowTo.aspx


Good luck!
Yakov
I second the motion. Mixed In Key leads the harmonic mixing market.
Tandy Hvizdak
25.02.2012		Hi,

C#m is actually the same key as Dbm. When you see the "#" sign, that's called a Sharp notation, and when you see a "B", that's called Flat. Just different ways of writing the same thing.

To avoid confusion, it's easier to use the Camelot notation. It saves a lot of time, and you don't have to memorize that C#m is compatible with C#m, Dbm, E, F#m, Abm, G#m, and can modulate into Ebm / D#m.

Whew.

12A goes with 11A, 12A, 1A, 12B or modulates into 2A. Much easier if you read http://harmonic-mixing.com/HowTo.aspx


Good luck!
Yakov

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