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Pre-mixing?
Posted on: 31.07.2012 by Carmelina Husidic
Hello DTT World!

First post so take it easy (don't you hate when ppl do that lol?) ANYWAY, I am just learning how to DJ so I got a tun of questions. I am a engineer/producer (not arranger) so obviously im not happy with just turning down the lows on deck 1 and crossfading to deck 2 to call myself a DJ (sorry if I offended anyone lol).

To the point- how uncommon is it to pre-mix a few of your songs/vs before going on live? Not like just a play though or anything but a full blow remix and just hitting play and maybe adding a few samples and filters here and there?

Like i said, im new to DJing and i just got Virtual DJ to play with for now with a basic Numark controller. Im not sure if its just Virtual DJ but 3 cues are not enough. My friend will be giving me his old Xponet and Torq next week; so im just playing and getting used to VDJ for now. Ive heard of Serato Live and that is pretty powerful; but at the same time, i see most of the DJ/produces I admire using ableton live?

Like i said, im a n00b so any help, threads, tips, pointers, ect would be of great value!

Thx,
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
wouldn
Matt Kane
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by mygaff
Don't be a Dick MYE, you knew what the chap was talking about... Your coming across the bigger idoit.
woah. easy mate! even i wasn
Tobi Rabuse
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by mygaff
Don't be a Dick MYE, you knew what the chap was talking about... Your coming across the bigger idoit.
+1. But let's not turn this into a fight. Let's help they guy with his quest to become a DJ. Like he said, everyone was new to DJing at some stage.
Darlene Strohbeck
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by mygaff
Don't be a Dick MYE, you knew what the chap was talking about... Your coming across the bigger idoit.
Actually I was wondering what "Tracker" was too.

There's a reason why spelling is important.

"Tracker" is an actual word, and could possibly be a piece of software.
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
wouldn
Matt Kane
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by mygaff
Don't be a Dick MYE, you knew what the chap was talking about... Your coming across the bigger idoit.
woah. easy mate! even i wasn
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by mygaff
Don't be a Dick MYE, you knew what the chap was talking about... Your coming across the bigger idoit.
I'm not being a dick i really didn't know what tracker was
Lavone Grignon
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by MYE
Because you said you just ordered tracker and i didn't know what tracker was SO THATS WHY I ASKED
Don't be a Dick MYE, you knew what the chap was talking about... Your coming across the bigger idoit.
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by Iridium
SO Y DID YOU ASK!? know what... never mind -_-
Because you said you just ordered tracker and i didn't know what tracker was SO THATS WHY I ASKED
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by Iridium
Sorry. I just wasn't sure if I was getting hell for mis-spelling and stating that im new. Its both kinda... Its a software but NI makes hardware especially for it. You can even add plug ins and use it as one. Looks really cool and I can use the controllers i have now with the software. Its only 80$ right now and you can find tuns of manufacture promos for discounts and $30 eVouchers. *Link to homepage below.*

http://www.native-instruments.com/#/...?category=1303
I know what traktor is i have been using it for nearly 4 years and i use the hardware that is made specifically for it as well. Pretty much every other dj knows what it is as well
Carmelina Husidic
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Yeah, I'm curious as well.
Sorry. I just wasn't sure if I was getting hell for mis-spelling and stating that im new. Its both kinda... Its a software but NI makes hardware especially for it. You can even add plug ins and use it as one. Looks really cool and I can use the controllers i have now with the software. Its only 80$ right now and you can find tuns of manufacture promos for discounts and $30 eVouchers. *Link to homepage below.*

http://www.native-instruments.com/#/...?category=1303
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Yup, like a lot of other people here I started on on two turntables and a mixer and had to teach myself how to mix and work through it.

Take the hint
Same i was on my laptop for 6 months before my brother gave me his old usb mixer then i didn't even have cdjs, turntables or midi controllers
Tobi Rabuse
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by mygaff
Don't be a Dick MYE, you knew what the chap was talking about... Your coming across the bigger idoit.
+1. But let's not turn this into a fight. Let's help they guy with his quest to become a DJ. Like he said, everyone was new to DJing at some stage.
Latina Samon
01.08.2012
This thread is so weird
Ashanti Andreacchio
01.08.2012
IP tracker, GPS tracker , Acount tracker, Download tracker and several other, there might even be an idiot tracker.

and VDJ can have up to 99 hotcues in each song. Using templates? so every song from classic to death metal gets set up the same way? 16 bars load cue 64 bars break cue 128 fade out cue ? would be intresting to hear some of your mixes

You came here asking questions in your first post and the rest of your post are atacks and insulting the other posters. you need to calm down if you want people to be willing to help you out.
Shonda Soulier
01.08.2012
There is a class of music sequencing software called "trackers". My first sequencer was called Modplug Tracker and I devised a way to use it for clip launching, similar to Ableton. So there was definitely confusion on my part.

But I wasn't going to rip him for that. I was going to rip him for not using Ableton.

jk, OP

It's ok to "pre-mix" remixes or mashups or transitional segue tracks but not entire sets. Get good at A/B mixing and the rest will come easy. Watch the shit out of YouTube videos.
Nereida Jasnoch
01.08.2012
This thread wins "communication error of the month"

I also had ni idea what "tracker" was. And then all these people freaking out. Lolz

But back on topic:

OP just keep at it. And endure the months of setbacks. Learn as much as you can (you found the right place btw) and after a year or so you might be decent.

And if you believe I'm messing with you, I'm dead serious.
Darlene Strohbeck
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by mygaff
Don't be a Dick MYE, you knew what the chap was talking about... Your coming across the bigger idoit.
Actually I was wondering what "Tracker" was too.

There's a reason why spelling is important.

"Tracker" is an actual word, and could possibly be a piece of software.
Yong Aptekar
01.08.2012
This thread is full of win. Good luck iridium. Practice, don't steal your software, pay for your music, and read over your posts before sending them. You'll be fine.
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by Ed Paris
wouldn
Matt Kane
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by mygaff
Don't be a Dick MYE, you knew what the chap was talking about... Your coming across the bigger idoit.
woah. easy mate! even i wasn
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by mygaff
Don't be a Dick MYE, you knew what the chap was talking about... Your coming across the bigger idoit.
I'm not being a dick i really didn't know what tracker was
Lavone Grignon
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by MYE
Because you said you just ordered tracker and i didn't know what tracker was SO THATS WHY I ASKED
Don't be a Dick MYE, you knew what the chap was talking about... Your coming across the bigger idoit.
Janyce Henningson
01.08.2012
Jesus some of the people on here recently, normally I just laugh and click back but I feel sorry for you young guys now.
And it's muppets like this who will get the gigs, you can guarantee it.

Thank God I did my proper Dj'ing in the 90's.

DON'T PREMIX LIVE - EVER!
What's the point?
Just put a CD in and go dance with the girls in your stupid hat/mask/underpant combo, you'll have much more fun.
Frieda Swoboda
01.08.2012
Yeah, Ableton is better if you want to do your stuff in a set "routine". I started with Ableton and just now learning Traktor.

Ableton is great, but after a while it feels like you are just triggering things instead of actually playing, even though you can do more.

With Ableton, the skill is all in the preparation, and the execution is pretty easy. With Traktor most of the skill is in the performance. Of course this excludes controllerism routines in Ableton which require both prep and execution.

Depends on what you want to do. But the reason you may want to "pre-mix" is because you are just learning. Once you start learning, you will want to do it live. There is a thrill in performing live, part of it is the risk, and part of it is the satisfaction when it goes right or the excitement when you surpass your own limits.

However, if you want to invent a style where you do some prep work and work off of that, go ahead. But don't do it as a way to fake out an audience or anything.
Freida Leash
01.08.2012
I like Traktor, I get by with a cheap two channel controller, mapped to four channels and a midi-fighter and feel real comfortable. Lots of room to cue point juggle, apply effects, and most importantly mix between the channels. I would say 80% of what I do is mixing and blending with the eq, line faders and cross fader, the rest is cue point juggling, looping to remix or maintain energy, and applying effects. I come from a more traditional two decks and a mixer background, but the added two decks of which I really only use one at a time is nice.

Traktor does a lot, comes bundled with a lot of controllers, and is pretty customizable to your work flow.

I've only made one "remix" to play in a set, and normally try to pull it off in real time, the results vary even on my "solid" routines. I would rather have the fun of doing it than canning it, and the way it develops over time is nice too, when you get small differences and build a routine even tighter or make mistakes, it is more "fun" for me.

The ableton route of preparing everything kind of loses the feel of decks and a mixer in my mind where traditional dj software kind of hits the mark. I could be wrong as I don't really experiment with it, but ableton seems more geared to when I decide I'm just playing my tracks, and attempting to do it mostly "live".
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by Iridium
SO Y DID YOU ASK!? know what... never mind -_-
Because you said you just ordered tracker and i didn't know what tracker was SO THATS WHY I ASKED
Nedra Fresneda
01.08.2012
All you need is practice.
Carmelina Husidic
01.08.2012
SO Y DID YOU ASK!? know what... never mind -_-
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by Iridium
Sorry. I just wasn't sure if I was getting hell for mis-spelling and stating that im new. Its both kinda... Its a software but NI makes hardware especially for it. You can even add plug ins and use it as one. Looks really cool and I can use the controllers i have now with the software. Its only 80$ right now and you can find tuns of manufacture promos for discounts and $30 eVouchers. *Link to homepage below.*

http://www.native-instruments.com/#/...?category=1303
I know what traktor is i have been using it for nearly 4 years and i use the hardware that is made specifically for it as well. Pretty much every other dj knows what it is as well
Carmelina Husidic
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Yeah, I'm curious as well.
Sorry. I just wasn't sure if I was getting hell for mis-spelling and stating that im new. Its both kinda... Its a software but NI makes hardware especially for it. You can even add plug ins and use it as one. Looks really cool and I can use the controllers i have now with the software. Its only 80$ right now and you can find tuns of manufacture promos for discounts and $30 eVouchers. *Link to homepage below.*

http://www.native-instruments.com/#/...?category=1303
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Yup, like a lot of other people here I started on on two turntables and a mixer and had to teach myself how to mix and work through it.

Take the hint
Same i was on my laptop for 6 months before my brother gave me his old usb mixer then i didn't even have cdjs, turntables or midi controllers
Georgina Schatzman
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by Iridium
Remember everyone was a n00b at first
Yup, like a lot of other people here I started on on two turntables and a mixer and had to teach myself how to mix and work through it.

Take the hint
Georgina Schatzman
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by MYE
I'm not being a dick what is tracker is it software,hardware
Yeah, I'm curious as well.
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by Iridium
wtf is everyone here just a complete dick?
I'm not being a dick what is tracker is it software,hardware
Carmelina Husidic
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by MYE
what is tracker?
wtf is everyone here just a complete dick?
Bunny Sockel
01.08.2012
Originally Posted by Iridium
Thats it.... Im ordering tracker right meow.
what is tracker?
Carmelina Husidic
31.07.2012
Thats it.... Im ordering tracker right meow.
Carmelina Husidic
31.07.2012
Originally Posted by SirReal
I kinda read it as he wants to make a remix or re-edit of a track with embelishments and samples, which I believe is fine. If you're premixing 3 tracks and adding smaples then it's kinda cheating in my book but re-editing or adding to a track using a DAW to make it unique is fine in my book.
Yea idk, i was believeing its kinda like cheating too lol. Its just that im so limited to what I can do right now with the little knowledge i do have about DJing and Virtual DJ. Anyone have any links or tips about setting up pre-cues and samples? I guess I'm looking for a template kinda thing that will just automatically load every time for each song? maybe even set up a few different templates (temp1, temp2, ect)???

Remember everyone was a n00b at first, thats Y i'm asking
Antonetta Wikel
31.07.2012
I kinda read it as he wants to make a remix or re-edit of a track with embelishments and samples, which I believe is fine. If you're premixing 3 tracks and adding smaples then it's kinda cheating in my book but re-editing or adding to a track using a DAW to make it unique is fine in my book.

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