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Why I hate EDM...
Posted on: 27.07.2012 by Lashay Walchak
'Cuz that REAL Hip-Hop is too damn nice!!!

Spencer Kilcoyne
31.07.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
If you close your mind to any single type/genre of music you are depriving yourself. As a DJ (ANY DJ), that is just unacceptable. Nod your head to some Country, whatever, enjoy music from ALL genres. Your heart n' soul will thank you for it.
So

100%

This.

(Oh and fwiw I am hugely into hip-hop. There's some excellent stuff coming out of the UK at the moment ... such as


)
Geri Jarra
31.07.2012
Originally Posted by Saurus
Let this thread die
it's only 4 days old mr. reaper
Werner Bile
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by dj subculture
Ofcourse.
My point was that DJing pre-dates hip-hop.
Pre-Dates Disco.
In fact, most of the new dance genres of the last 20 years have been created by DJs.
You can pretty much date DJing(or rather,the modern dance music definition of DJing) to one guy in 1969. so yes, well before hip hop existed.
Werner Bile
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
Eminem's whole schtick was stolen from Cage. The whole drugged out mad-man thing was Cage's shit well before Em and Dre stole it and sold it to millions with the help of mega-corporations.

If you knew anything you'd know that Eminem got his style and persona mostly from Esham.
Galina Mancinas
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
I don't know why but I have always been drawn towards "darker" music. It just seems more genuine. Even when I was a kid I liked my music hard. I remember the Motley Crue "Girls, Girls, Girls" vividly with a Kelly Bundy look-a-like hooker under the street light. My 5 disc CD changer in the 4th grade had AC/DC Back in Black and 4 Guns N' Roses albums (G N' R Lies, Appetite for Destruction, and Use Your Illusion 1&2). From there the whole "Seattle Grunge" thing took off and I'd relate a lot of those bands to this same concept of "Real Life" or not ALL happy-go-lucky so to say. I listened to strictly "License to Ill" for almost all of 8th grade (about 7 years after the album was released), the rap thing was taking off and in high school I was very into the mainstream hardcore rap and the "Underground" Chicago gangster rap. Senior year I developed a taste for some "Heavy" rock when Disturbed released their first album. The next few years I was all about Led Zeppelin and The Doors. Moved to AZ and was introduced to some West-Coast "Underground" (The Alkaholiks, Defari, Hiero) and really started digging for new sounds. I found some East-Coast stuff I liked (Beatnuts mostly). When I returned to Chicago I met a friend who turned me onto the whole Indie scene (Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, Mr. Lif, and more). I realized that these independent artists had a lot more heart in their music than almost anything I'd heard (with the exception of Led Zeppelin). They were passionate about their craft and toured non-stop to scrape by, most of them are still doing it 10 years later.

It's definitely not for everyone, just like my tolerance for the "Pretty" things. It's just not how the world is. It's the picture the media has painted for modern society. They are selling you what they told you to like. I dunno.

I do apologize for my blunt approach to trying to get a Hip-Hop discussion going amongst a majority of EDM fans, but at the same time I do feel some of this needs to be said to some of these bandwagon types.
So you've established that you're a head, here's something I don't get about a lot of the real heads.

Why does love for Hip-Hop & love for "EDM" (hate that term BTW, lumping all House\Techno\Trance\Breaks\D&B in with the poppy "Electro" remixes of Rihanna\Beyonce and xit is pretty much the same thing as saying ALL Hip-Hop\Rap = Lil Wayne) and love for Hip-Hop have to be mutually exclusive?

The type of person (me) who finds some solace, empowerment, meaning, enjoyment, whatever out of Hip-Hop would probably find something of value out of GOOD House\Techno\Etc. For me, they are the only two types of music that scratch my itch for the realness. Something in my soul craves fat, grimy ass basslines, tribal beats & syncopation, the pulse and energy of raw music. If you can't find that shit that gets in your bones and makes you nod your head in House, you're listening to the wrong House. I'm telling you, the difference between the commercialized BS "EDM" and the real underground shit is as pronounced as the difference between Nicki Minaj & Black Moon. No comparison, one is art that captures a segment of life and one is trite.

I'll bump my Boom Bap AND my Uhn Tis till I die.
Lyndsey Stiff
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by Emery
I sound very white when I talk about this
LOLL I thought to myself the same thing when I was typing too hahah
Geri Jarra
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by DJMeloD
TRUTH. Often times people confuse the two when they are actually quite different when it comes to subject matter. Very little of the BS that is played on the radio, and that most of these kids listen to nowadays, classifies as "hip-hop". That's where you get all the nonsense about "bling, bitches, etc." Hip-hop, rather, contains subjects of actual meaning instead of placing emphasis on material things as rap does. Just figured I'd attempt to add some clarity to the recurring confusion of the two I've been seeing lately.
Yea thats right. Hip-hop is a scene, not just a form of music. In hip-hop you have "rappers", turntablests, break dancers and graffiti artests. The music normally has a lot more meaning, but there was a lot of battling amongst hip hop rappers, which sometimes got pretty meaningless, but they had fun, and that was the point. It wasn't about money or hoes, it was about giving inner city youngsters a fun alternative to drugs and violence.

^ I sound very white when I talk about this
Alla Bluemke
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by dj subculture
Ofcourse.
My point was that DJing pre-dates hip-hop.
Pre-Dates Disco.
In fact, most of the new dance genres of the last 20 years have been created by DJs.
Well Djing is just playing tracks. When the radio was invented djing was as well. But what modern djing is was created around the time after disco, right around when house was born.
Sally Walkowiak
01.08.2012
Spencer Kilcoyne
31.07.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
If you close your mind to any single type/genre of music you are depriving yourself. As a DJ (ANY DJ), that is just unacceptable. Nod your head to some Country, whatever, enjoy music from ALL genres. Your heart n' soul will thank you for it.
So

100%

This.

(Oh and fwiw I am hugely into hip-hop. There's some excellent stuff coming out of the UK at the moment ... such as


)
Geri Jarra
31.07.2012
Originally Posted by Saurus
Let this thread die
it's only 4 days old mr. reaper
Eloy Kiepke
01.08.2012
Let this thread die
Geri Jarra
01.08.2012
Well since I like house music more than hip-hop at this point Ill take you up on that! lol

And yes you're right. The guys would loop breaks on turntables and people would just jump up grab the mic and start mc'ing, which turned into rap as we know it
Emmie Gershen
01.08.2012
Ye I can't deny Turntableism starting from Hip-Hop but Djing was adopted and advanced to suit the genre, Hip-Hip did not create Djing, Disco did, Djing created rap\Hip-hop through MC's i'm pretty sure, i'll watch "Scratch" if you watch "A History Of House Music" lol it covers all genres not just house music, you can watch it on youtube in parts
Geri Jarra
01.08.2012
turntableism started from the hiphop scene in NYC. The movie "Scratch" explains a lot. btw Jurassic 5 and dilated ppl are awesome. DJ babu's the man
Emmie Gershen
01.08.2012
Everything about this post is just a piss off lol, I grew up in the UK where rap isn't as well knowen as other genres but now living in Canada obvs I've listened to a fair bit of it... most of it is complete crap, why do I care if you girl has a big ass, you have gold teeth and have fired some guns lol, now just because alot of it seems like ego rapping, i'm not saying there isn't good rap, Jurrasic 5, A Tribe Called Quest, but to say Djing wouldn't exhist without Hip-Hop\Rap is complete BS, "SOMEONE" needs to do some music history classes, if anything, without DJ's, rap wouldn't be where it is today, look back at any live rap shows on youtube all those who made a name for themself have a Dj to accompany them, Djing came from disco, djing was playing records live any genre, rock, pop, dance, electronica etc. . .
Tobi Rabuse
31.07.2012
Why I hate Hip-Hop...

Werner Bile
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by dj subculture
Ofcourse.
My point was that DJing pre-dates hip-hop.
Pre-Dates Disco.
In fact, most of the new dance genres of the last 20 years have been created by DJs.
You can pretty much date DJing(or rather,the modern dance music definition of DJing) to one guy in 1969. so yes, well before hip hop existed.
Werner Bile
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
Eminem's whole schtick was stolen from Cage. The whole drugged out mad-man thing was Cage's shit well before Em and Dre stole it and sold it to millions with the help of mega-corporations.

If you knew anything you'd know that Eminem got his style and persona mostly from Esham.
Brunilda Kora
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by SparkDogg
I'll bump my Boom Bap AND my Uhn Tis till I die.
I'd buy that t-shirt and wear it every day.

There is not a credible musician in the world that doesn't appreciate ALL types of music. Who'd have thought Chris Martin (Coldplay) was a Beastie Boys fan?



If you close your mind to any single type/genre of music you are depriving yourself. As a DJ (ANY DJ), that is just unacceptable. Nod your head to some Country, whatever, enjoy music from ALL genres. Your heart n' soul will thank you for it.
Galina Mancinas
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
I don't know why but I have always been drawn towards "darker" music. It just seems more genuine. Even when I was a kid I liked my music hard. I remember the Motley Crue "Girls, Girls, Girls" vividly with a Kelly Bundy look-a-like hooker under the street light. My 5 disc CD changer in the 4th grade had AC/DC Back in Black and 4 Guns N' Roses albums (G N' R Lies, Appetite for Destruction, and Use Your Illusion 1&2). From there the whole "Seattle Grunge" thing took off and I'd relate a lot of those bands to this same concept of "Real Life" or not ALL happy-go-lucky so to say. I listened to strictly "License to Ill" for almost all of 8th grade (about 7 years after the album was released), the rap thing was taking off and in high school I was very into the mainstream hardcore rap and the "Underground" Chicago gangster rap. Senior year I developed a taste for some "Heavy" rock when Disturbed released their first album. The next few years I was all about Led Zeppelin and The Doors. Moved to AZ and was introduced to some West-Coast "Underground" (The Alkaholiks, Defari, Hiero) and really started digging for new sounds. I found some East-Coast stuff I liked (Beatnuts mostly). When I returned to Chicago I met a friend who turned me onto the whole Indie scene (Aesop Rock, Atmosphere, Mr. Lif, and more). I realized that these independent artists had a lot more heart in their music than almost anything I'd heard (with the exception of Led Zeppelin). They were passionate about their craft and toured non-stop to scrape by, most of them are still doing it 10 years later.

It's definitely not for everyone, just like my tolerance for the "Pretty" things. It's just not how the world is. It's the picture the media has painted for modern society. They are selling you what they told you to like. I dunno.

I do apologize for my blunt approach to trying to get a Hip-Hop discussion going amongst a majority of EDM fans, but at the same time I do feel some of this needs to be said to some of these bandwagon types.
So you've established that you're a head, here's something I don't get about a lot of the real heads.

Why does love for Hip-Hop & love for "EDM" (hate that term BTW, lumping all House\Techno\Trance\Breaks\D&B in with the poppy "Electro" remixes of Rihanna\Beyonce and xit is pretty much the same thing as saying ALL Hip-Hop\Rap = Lil Wayne) and love for Hip-Hop have to be mutually exclusive?

The type of person (me) who finds some solace, empowerment, meaning, enjoyment, whatever out of Hip-Hop would probably find something of value out of GOOD House\Techno\Etc. For me, they are the only two types of music that scratch my itch for the realness. Something in my soul craves fat, grimy ass basslines, tribal beats & syncopation, the pulse and energy of raw music. If you can't find that shit that gets in your bones and makes you nod your head in House, you're listening to the wrong House. I'm telling you, the difference between the commercialized BS "EDM" and the real underground shit is as pronounced as the difference between Nicki Minaj & Black Moon. No comparison, one is art that captures a segment of life and one is trite.

I'll bump my Boom Bap AND my Uhn Tis till I die.
Devora Chait
30.07.2012
Because every young person who lives in da city becomes a coke sniffing thug part of a gang if they don't rap. That's excactly what I mean the "I rap to stay off the streets dawg" mentality, what's that about? Isn't it about the music? Or is that all there is too it, a simple distraction because your life is SOOO hard otherwise.
Lyndsey Stiff
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by Emery
I sound very white when I talk about this
LOLL I thought to myself the same thing when I was typing too hahah
Geri Jarra
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by DJMeloD
TRUTH. Often times people confuse the two when they are actually quite different when it comes to subject matter. Very little of the BS that is played on the radio, and that most of these kids listen to nowadays, classifies as "hip-hop". That's where you get all the nonsense about "bling, bitches, etc." Hip-hop, rather, contains subjects of actual meaning instead of placing emphasis on material things as rap does. Just figured I'd attempt to add some clarity to the recurring confusion of the two I've been seeing lately.
Yea thats right. Hip-hop is a scene, not just a form of music. In hip-hop you have "rappers", turntablests, break dancers and graffiti artests. The music normally has a lot more meaning, but there was a lot of battling amongst hip hop rappers, which sometimes got pretty meaningless, but they had fun, and that was the point. It wasn't about money or hoes, it was about giving inner city youngsters a fun alternative to drugs and violence.

^ I sound very white when I talk about this
Alla Bluemke
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by dj subculture
Ofcourse.
My point was that DJing pre-dates hip-hop.
Pre-Dates Disco.
In fact, most of the new dance genres of the last 20 years have been created by DJs.
Well Djing is just playing tracks. When the radio was invented djing was as well. But what modern djing is was created around the time after disco, right around when house was born.
Lashay Walchak
30.07.2012
If you don't get it, you probably never will.

Of course they make references to making money, they actually "grind" to get it. By that I mean they tour NON-STOP to play shows at venues all over the country for $10 entry where the house probably takes close to half.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
30.07.2012
um... the first video that was posted was turned off when the guy was talking about "gettin paypa" about 3 minutes in... Using that video was a terrible precedent to start a thread with this one's title...
Lyndsey Stiff
30.07.2012
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
You are referring to "Rap", not Hip-Hop
TRUTH. Often times people confuse the two when they are actually quite different when it comes to subject matter. Very little of the BS that is played on the radio, and that most of these kids listen to nowadays, classifies as "hip-hop". That's where you get all the nonsense about "bling, bitches, etc." Hip-hop, rather, contains subjects of actual meaning instead of placing emphasis on material things as rap does. Just figured I'd attempt to add some clarity to the recurring confusion of the two I've been seeing lately.
Lisa Lochotzki
29.07.2012
Iraida Bonaventure
29.07.2012
Evelyn Navarijo
29.07.2012


Tee-hee
Matt Kane
28.07.2012
i really dig scroobius pip



also here are some cool german hip hop/ rap artist that i like:







Iraida Bonaventure
28.07.2012
This thread blows, but I'll contribute nonetheless...


Lashay Walchak
28.07.2012
Originally Posted by Woah
If we were to believe most hip-hop, having the biggest house, the biggest pool and lots of cash created the idea of hip-hop. You're just THAT much cooler if you rap about it over an 8-bar beat and show it off in a video clip.
edit: if you really want to look gangstah mention in every sentence that your smoking 5 grams of weed every day. then your really hardcore!
LOL
You are referring to "Rap", not Hip-Hop
Fannie Ohayre
28.07.2012
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
Did you read that interview? ...
Ofcourse.
My point was that DJing pre-dates hip-hop.
Pre-Dates Disco.
In fact, most of the new dance genres of the last 20 years have been created by DJs.
Lashay Walchak
28.07.2012
Originally Posted by dj subculture
Actually, it was the other way around. A DJ created the idea (or more accurately the genre) of Hip-Hop.

DJing as we know it goes pre-dates hip hop.
Did you read that interview? At the end he was saying kind of what I'm saying here.

So you’d DJ seven evening s?
Yeah. Nine until four. I was getting beat. At this point, the clubs were starting to get like they are today. Arthur was much earlier, then Ondine was later, and then Salvation was even later. It started to change at that point. We were so exclusive. One evening the doorman turned away Mick Jagger. He was so proud of it. He said he’d turned away Mick Jagger and Keith Richard. So I ran down the club, ran out into the street and said ‘Mick Mick, you can come in the back door here with me. Come on.’ So he sits down; he’s steaming. Then he says, ‘Fuck this’ And walked out. Towards the end of Salvation the Beatles came in and ‘Lady Madonna’ was out and Magical Mystery Tour. I was pissed with them because I felt they were just trying to do Sergeant Pepper over again. I went up to Paul, ‘What is this stuff? Come on give me a break! It’s like Sergeant Pepper II’ They dragged me away because he was pissed. They were afraid that once I got on the turntables, I’d start talking to them. Because everyone was aware that I’d talk to you. Like Hendrix talked to people.

What stuff were you playing at Salvation?
Chambers Brothers, definitely soul music. Not a lot of rock. Mamas and Papas were long gone. I would never have used a Frank Sinatra record at Salvation, because it was a much hipper crowd at Salvation

I moved to Salvation II because Bradley thought I was getting too outrageous with what I was playing; and that I was getting too personal. He wanted straight music. So his bookkeeper came down there, got turned on to drugs and starts wearing bandanna and makes a deal with someone and that’s when we opened Salvation II. It’s now an Indian restaurant called Nirvana on Central Park. The guys who had muscled in with Bradley down at Salvation, who thought they were wise guys, when they weren’t, they find them dead out in Queens, with the ritual bullet through both sides of the temple, one through the centre of the head. Insane. So Bradley immediately runs off and joins a convent and becomes a priest. He’s still a priest, up in Connecticut.
Devora Chait
28.07.2012
If we were to believe most hip-hop, having the biggest house, the biggest pool and lots of cash created the idea of hip-hop. You're just THAT much cooler if you rap about it over an 8-bar beat and show it off in a video clip.
edit: if you really want to look gangstah mention in every sentence that your smoking 5 grams of weed every day. then your really hardcore!
LOL
Tesha Freudenstein
28.07.2012
that's like...the coolest story i ever heard in my entire life. are you bored or why are you engaging in this enthraling monologue? also: did you know you can edit your previous post if you want to expand on previous posts instead of posting a new one each time?
Fannie Ohayre
28.07.2012
Originally Posted by DJ Abide
...You can't delete me for talking about a genre which started the idea of a DJ.
Actually, it was the other way around. A DJ created the idea (or more accurately the genre) of Hip-Hop.

DJing as we know it goes pre-dates hip hop.
Lashay Walchak
28.07.2012
There's room for the pretty things, but genuinely pretty things. "Last evening was amazing, yada yada yada, get wasted, yada, yolo, yada" it's all the same shit reformatted or sampled based off a previous great song from history that none of these kids will ever know.

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