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What do i need/ should have to start? Posted on: 22.09.2012 by Ami Lele Heres my idea, I am pretty set on it also. So i will get an S4 and TMA-1 beatport editions and then I was wondering if a pair of monitor speakers (rokkit 5's) is a good setup to start on... http://www.proaudiostar.com/kontrol-...-monitors.html http://www.amazon.com/AIAIAI-Beatpor...=TMA-1+edition So I am 13 and trying to start DJing. I put out a bunch of ideas and everyone said i am spoiled because i like to make money by buying and selling stocks. So my parents said because DJing could be a job in college and after or even before OR EVEN A CAREER...they would chip in for half of the FIRST bill. So is this a good place for me to start if i already know traktor inside and out and have the WILL to be the best DJ i can and support what i need.?
Cole Maroto 24.09.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Hoesterey If i decide to get something to make music. Should i get an APC40 or a Midi keyboard.....I know how to play piano to some extent. the apc 40 isnt really the best tool for writing music. it's primarily an ableton controller (but will work as a midi controller in any software) and used mostly for triggering clips. if you are making music mostly from samples it would be a pretty good bet. if you want to write music in a more traditional sense, then a keyboard is the way to go. i prefer to write with a keyboard and if you already know how to play a little piano this option makes the most sense. Yeah thats a good idea except abelton is more than the keyboard.... And would be super expensive. not necessarily. you can do a full 30 day trial on all their software to see if you like it. you can also start with ableton intro for about $90 on sale ($99 normally). there are going to be some limitations in what you can do compared to the regular version or suite, but as a beginner it should be more than enough to get started with. if you decide to upgrade later you also get a discount upgrade price which makes it just slightly more expensive then buying it outright, so you don't really lose much by not getting suite right out of the gate. tom cosm has a pretty good breakdown of the limitationsl: http://www.cosm.co.nz/index.php?opti...&catid=20:news http://www.ableton.com/live-intro
Tera Baragan 24.09.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Hoesterey What software would that use? Any production program can run it. EG- Ableton, Fruity Loops, Logic. I would recommend Ableton, But it really doesn't matter what program you use as long as you feel comfortable with it and enjoy using it. The midi controller can be mapped to all of the software mentioned above.
Tera Baragan 24.09.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Hoesterey If i decide to get something to make music. Should i get an APC40 or a Midi keyboard.....I know how to play piano to some extent. Why not get the MPK49 or something similar.. You get the best of both worlds. A midi keyboard with 16 pads and a bunch of knobs and faders.
Leeanna Ayla 24.09.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard Don't even buy dj gear , buy tunes. Build a collection, develop your sound. Buy is the key word here. If you torrent 100's of songs in a day you'll never be able to truly learn the songs so your sets will just sound haphazardly put together with no real flow.
Leeanna Ayla 24.09.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Hoesterey If I want to produce what should i buy Maschine or something with abelton? If abelton what do i buy? Unless you're already a musician or have a working knowledge of music theory I suggest you take a step back and breathe. Get your DJ gear and take some time to learn a little about the music.
Benjamin Sieh 23.09.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Hoesterey Heres my idea, I am pretty set on it also. So i will get an S4 and TMA-1 beatport editions and then I was wondering if a pair of monitor speakers (rokkit 5's) is a good setup to start on... http://www.proaudiostar.com/kontrol-...-monitors.html http://www.amazon.com/AIAIAI-Beatpor...=TMA-1+edition So I am 13 and trying to start DJing. I put out a bunch of ideas and everyone said i am spoiled because i like to make money by buying and selling stocks. So my parents said because DJing could be a job in college and after or even before OR EVEN A CAREER...they would chip in for half of the FIRST bill. So is this a good place for me to start if i already know traktor inside and out and have the WILL to be the best DJ i can and support what i need.? Well, yes. You are VERY spoiled if your parents agree to pay half of the 1st bill no questions asked. But yeah thats a great setup. Just make sure to buy it all from the DJTT store to save a few dollars
Cole Maroto 24.09.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Hoesterey If i decide to get something to make music. Should i get an APC40 or a Midi keyboard.....I know how to play piano to some extent. the apc 40 isnt really the best tool for writing music. it's primarily an ableton controller (but will work as a midi controller in any software) and used mostly for triggering clips. if you are making music mostly from samples it would be a pretty good bet. if you want to write music in a more traditional sense, then a keyboard is the way to go. i prefer to write with a keyboard and if you already know how to play a little piano this option makes the most sense. Yeah thats a good idea except abelton is more than the keyboard.... And would be super expensive. not necessarily. you can do a full 30 day trial on all their software to see if you like it. you can also start with ableton intro for about $90 on sale ($99 normally). there are going to be some limitations in what you can do compared to the regular version or suite, but as a beginner it should be more than enough to get started with. if you decide to upgrade later you also get a discount upgrade price which makes it just slightly more expensive then buying it outright, so you don't really lose much by not getting suite right out of the gate. tom cosm has a pretty good breakdown of the limitationsl: http://www.cosm.co.nz/index.php?opti...&catid=20:news http://www.ableton.com/live-intro
Ami Lele 24.09.2012	Yeah thats a good idea except abelton is more than the keyboard.... And would be super expensive. I will take that step later.....DJing is the current concern. I will buy an S4 in a bit ( i am waiting to see if NI releses a MKII or a new version) because they are redoing the maschines and adding a 2 channel mixer. And a pair of headphones(aiaiai TMA-1) and monitors (AV-40). Sound good? I will add a midi fighter pro or something else at the holiday time.
Tera Baragan 24.09.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Hoesterey What software would that use? Any production program can run it. EG- Ableton, Fruity Loops, Logic. I would recommend Ableton, But it really doesn't matter what program you use as long as you feel comfortable with it and enjoy using it. The midi controller can be mapped to all of the software mentioned above.
Ami Lele 24.09.2012	What software would that use?
Tera Baragan 24.09.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Hoesterey If i decide to get something to make music. Should i get an APC40 or a Midi keyboard.....I know how to play piano to some extent. Why not get the MPK49 or something similar.. You get the best of both worlds. A midi keyboard with 16 pads and a bunch of knobs and faders.
Ami Lele 24.09.2012	If i decide to get something to make music. Should i get an APC40 or a Midi keyboard.....I know how to play piano to some extent.
Ami Lele 24.09.2012	It is not no questions asked!! I had to get great grades in school (honors classes) at one of the best pubic schools in the country and I also have to do 1hr and 30 mins of ISEE/SSAT prep everyday because I am taking exams. I also am not a stupid decision maker and my parents don't just buy me what I want when I want it. They grew up as the low average american and choose their future so they plan on giving me a REAL life instead of a typical"spoiled" kid. I also did HOURS of lawn work this summer to make about half of the money I have now. In the response to everyones concerns. I have a macbook pro right now and it is pretty powerful. I have sol republic tracks HD but for DJing i would like to buy a pair of AIAIAIA's probably. For starting the AV40 monitors will be plenty and I will work from there. I also found great deals on Prostar audio so I will have to decide DJTT or ProStar. Advice upon my decision is appreciated.
Ami Lele 24.09.2012	Well I do have a sense of music thoery I guess. I play clarinet 3 or starting today 4 days a week along with piano. I also take honors music in school which covers about half music thoery and half music history. along with some music science
24.09.2012	Yeah, that's it completely. There are too many djs out there with expensive kit and literally nothing else to distinguish them from the crowd. Don't be one of those. The love for the tunes should come first, not the desire to dj. I can't stress how good 'Learn To Dj Properly' is for people starting up, they stress the difference between good djs and great djs and talk complete sense right the way through. http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-DJ-Prope.../dp/0593058119
Leeanna Ayla 24.09.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Bastard Don't even buy dj gear , buy tunes. Build a collection, develop your sound. Buy is the key word here. If you torrent 100's of songs in a day you'll never be able to truly learn the songs so your sets will just sound haphazardly put together with no real flow.
24.09.2012	Don't even buy dj gear , buy tunes. Build a collection, develop your sound.
Leeanna Ayla 24.09.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Hoesterey If I want to produce what should i buy Maschine or something with abelton? If abelton what do i buy? Unless you're already a musician or have a working knowledge of music theory I suggest you take a step back and breathe. Get your DJ gear and take some time to learn a little about the music.
24.09.2012	Having kit and technical skills is far, far, less important than having a great record collection. I didn't play out anywhere for at least 7 years after I started buying records, and didn't even own a set of decks or a mixer for another 3 years after starting to gig (I did have access to other peoples and learnt on those). Don't get hung up on kit, it doesn't matter at all if you have taste.
Faustino Stringfellow 24.09.2012	I believe you need to sit down and really believe what it is you want to do ...... one thing is for sure, whatever you buy you will need (1) A pretty powerful Laptop/desktop be it mac or PC based (2) A high quality soundcard giving at least 24bit at 48Khz and if you want to record live music in one with pre-amps, Hi-Z inputs etc. (3) Software either for gigging / recording / both (4) Monitoring - Powered speakers, regular speakers with an amp, and a good pair of comfortable headphones (forget about brands - try them on for size) (5) Somewhere to make noise, pointless getting all this stuff if you have nowhere to crank it up (6) Patience - skills do not come over evening , you have to practice until you are perfect (forever that is, as no-one is perfect) (7) friends - why do you need these? they will tell you if you suck big time or not. (8) Your choice of weapon, be it a controller, MIDI guitar, two turntables and a mixer or a simple midi grid controller. (9) T I M E !
Faustino Stringfellow 24.09.2012	If you can play piano buy a MIDI or USB keyboard, many now have additional mappable faders and buttons just for Ableton /DAW's if not and like to push buttons, Novation's Launchpad is the cheapest large grid controller, then you have the APC20/APC40 etc. You can get away with something as small as a Korg nanokontrol and nanopad, but I believe you'll soon tire of the size and want something a bit bigger. with Ableton, you can never have enough buttons, faders and rotaries ... If you buy maschine, you have everything in one box, the controller and the software to go with it, you don't necessarily need to buy Ableton too.
Ami Lele 24.09.2012	If I want to produce what should i buy Maschine or something with abelton? If abelton what do i buy?
Glynda Scerra 23.09.2012	From what I heard, the rokkits aren't an even/equal sound between the hi's,mid's and lows. I have the M-audio AV 40's and they are small and loud. Perfect for a bedroom/ beginner dj but not for gigs. As for the headphones they are a good start but be careful not to break them, I got the original tma-1's since i didn't find a need to buy the LE beatport addition 1's. And I would absolutely recommend the s4! I wish I had gotten that instead of the s2!~ :/
Benjamin Sieh 23.09.2012	Originally Posted by Jack Hoesterey Heres my idea, I am pretty set on it also. So i will get an S4 and TMA-1 beatport editions and then I was wondering if a pair of monitor speakers (rokkit 5's) is a good setup to start on... http://www.proaudiostar.com/kontrol-...-monitors.html http://www.amazon.com/AIAIAI-Beatpor...=TMA-1+edition So I am 13 and trying to start DJing. I put out a bunch of ideas and everyone said i am spoiled because i like to make money by buying and selling stocks. So my parents said because DJing could be a job in college and after or even before OR EVEN A CAREER...they would chip in for half of the FIRST bill. So is this a good place for me to start if i already know traktor inside and out and have the WILL to be the best DJ i can and support what i need.? Well, yes. You are VERY spoiled if your parents agree to pay half of the 1st bill no questions asked. But yeah thats a great setup. Just make sure to buy it all from the DJTT store to save a few dollars
Faustino Stringfellow 23.09.2012	just go and play in the garden with your little school friends ...and take your retina with you. we were having a grown up discussion before you came here. PS lets hope your retina display isn't faulty like so many out there already ... http://www.tuaw.com/2012/08/14/are-r...screen-issues/ ....looks like you might have bought a pup.
Nancey Inderlied 23.09.2012	I was responding to your argument, no need to get angsty, just because you're wrong.
Faustino Stringfellow 23.09.2012	So what ? You are going to carry all those screens to a gig ? I can only control three, damn ....... go troll somewhere else please and let the adults talk.
Nancey Inderlied 23.09.2012	Originally Posted by JSM My Display port is the same as yours ... I have almost 4 times the memory allowing a far greater screen size than yours ... and my default "tiny TV" screen is 1080p with nvidia 3D, not 900p. When I connect my XPS upto the Apple 30" in the main room, it looks and acts just the same as a Mac .... but so much cheaper ..that money went on things adults need to pay for, mortgage, the wife's shoe collection, car insurance.................. BTW is a fucking barrel the same as a normal barrel ? This thread is going into one of those absolutely pointless arguments about Mac V PC. I'm pretty certain those threads are now barred from this community , they are never resolved. Maybe it's time the thread is locked. http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/20/31...ernal-monitors Wait, what was that again?
Faustino Stringfellow 23.09.2012	My Display port is the same as yours ... I have almost 4 times the memory allowing a far greater screen size than yours ... and my default "tiny TV" screen is 1080p with nvidia 3D, not 900p. When I connect my XPS upto the Apple 30" in the main room, it looks and acts just the same as a Mac .... but so much cheaper ..that money went on things adults need to pay for, mortgage, the wife's shoe collection, car insurance.................. BTW is a fucking barrel the same as a normal barrel ? This thread is going into one of those absolutely pointless arguments about Mac V PC. I'm pretty certain those threads are now barred from this community , they are never resolved. Maybe it's time the thread is locked.
Nancey Inderlied 23.09.2012	Originally Posted by JSM good for you ..... i'll sleep better toevening knowing that. XPS's with tiny TV's .... funny I never got a TV with mine, I must call them and ask where it is. If the display is in "HD" with a 1440x900 resolution, youre actually at a lower pixel count than the average 42" HDTV. Hence it being a very small TV. I remember my previous laptop having a cutting edge 1440x900 res.... 7 years ago.
Faustino Stringfellow 23.09.2012	Originally Posted by Shishdisma Lolwut? I just bought a Retina, $2200 with the student discount, running a 2.3 i7, 16gb RAM, an SSD, and a hot-swapping discrete GT 650, with a 2880x1800 screen, all in under an inch thick of solid aluminum. It replaced my 1st gen MBP, which was going 7 years straight with no repairs or upgrades. Looking at the XPS 14's, the closest they get preloaded comes in at $2000, with half the RAM, a GT 630 non-Kepler, and a 14" "HD" 900v screen. Combine that with the fact that most OEM's still use fucking barrel plugs for power, and the "Macs r overpriced and dont last long lol" argument pretty much disintegrates. Yeah, great, you got a plastic box from Dell with a 1.8 dual i7 and a terradrive inside and a tiny TV attached for $600, it doesnt really compare. good for you ..... i'll sleep better toevening knowing that. XPS's with tiny TV's .... funny I never got a TV with mine, I must call them and ask where it is.
Nancey Inderlied 23.09.2012	Originally Posted by JSM I'm in Europe, that's why I quoted their prices, but this is a US community ..hence the conversion. Simple error. but still VERY EXPENSIVE, and still a little underspecified when you compare with windows laptops. I've got 3.5Gb DDR5 graphics and mines 18month old. BTW, my XPS runs OSX10.7.4 perfectly .... much faster than my mates MBP ....something to believe about Lolwut? I just bought a Retina, $2200 with the student discount, running a 2.3 i7, 16gb RAM, an SSD, and a hot-swapping discrete GT 650, with a 2880x1800 screen, all in under an inch thick of solid aluminum. It replaced my 1st gen MBP, which was going 7 years straight with no repairs or upgrades. Looking at the XPS 14's, the closest they get preloaded comes in at $2000, with half the RAM, a GT 630 non-Kepler, and a 14" "HD" 900v screen. Combine that with the fact that most OEM's still use fucking barrel plugs for power, and the "Macs r overpriced and dont last long lol" argument pretty much disintegrates. Yeah, great, you got a plastic box from Dell with a 1.8 dual i7 and a terradrive inside and a tiny TV attached for $600, it doesnt really compare.
Faustino Stringfellow 23.09.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik You should look at the local European prices, as I don't know many purchasing Macs from USA back to Europe. And then take into account taxes and whatever is added in Europe. And looking at the OP it is most likely he is USA based so I don't even know the relevance of quoting European prices in this case. I'm in Europe, that's why I quoted their prices, but this is a US community ..hence the conversion. Simple error. but still VERY EXPENSIVE, and still a little underspecified when you compare with windows laptops. I've got 3.5Gb DDR5 graphics and mines 18month old. BTW, my XPS runs OSX10.7.4 perfectly .... much faster than my mates MBP ....something to believe about
Celine Surico 23.09.2012	Originally Posted by JSM apple store.jpg Yes sorry I made a small error in the pricing, I was using the European portal and converting the price. I'm not sure if Europe can get free shipping from the states, so that would need to be factored in .. You should look at the local European prices, as I don't know many purchasing Macs from USA back to Europe. And then take into account taxes and whatever is added in Europe. And looking at the OP it is most likely he is USA based so I don't even know the relevance of quoting European prices in this case.
Faustino Stringfellow 23.09.2012	apple store.jpg Yes sorry I made a small error in the pricing, I was using the European portal and converting the price. I'm not sure if Europe can get free shipping from the states, so that would need to be factored in ..
Faustino Stringfellow 23.09.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik OK, I didn't you know you used the screen for the slot info. The extended slot info with F1 is a new thing I have not tested out (as I don't own an F1). I don't have my 20/20 vision any longer but as for Ableton Live I don't have a problem seeing slots with this 13" I'm typing on just now. I do have a a 17" MBP/SSD for work use but I would never take that one out for gigs due to the bulky size. For my work with a controller even a MacBook Air would be fine as I only look at the screen for waveforms and file browsing. if you believe the 17" MBP is bulky, you should try the XPS ... I gig with that and it's a heavy monster ...most people call it a desktop replacement.
Cole Maroto 23.09.2012	Originally Posted by ksandvik MacPro 13" at Apple store: 1,199, 15" 1,7999. I would actually go with a 13" as it's easier to transport and with controllers the only need for screen is browsing where 13" is plenty to select songs. And if you produce, hook a 23" additional monitor from Frys for $150. Heck, I would even look at at MacBook Air for pure DJ:ing just because it's so easy to take around. Just wanted to stop the misinformation posted with some facts.... What do I know, I'm just now DJ:ing with an MacBookPro from 2007 that works just fine with Traktor 2.5.1 so that also about a life expectancy of max three years... yeah, it looks like they actually lowered their prices a bit. i bough a regular macbook, dual core, around 2005/6 and it was pushing $1500 at the time. that's just the way pc/laptop tech and pricing goes though. the hard drive died after a bit, then it just completely died about 6 months after that. i believe i got about 6 years out of it (though there was a long period of time i didn't use it at all since i built a top end pc for gaming...so i probably did get about 3-4 years of actual usage time on it but ymmv). this time around i went with a new quad core i5, 15" hp for $650. the comparable price for similar specs in a macbook pro would be about $2000. the posts really weren't misinformation so to speak, they were referencing the higher specced versions and not just the bare bones entry macbook pro which is $1200. i'm sure you could dj just fine with the lowest of the macbook line, though i wouldn't want a 13" screen. that's just my preference...to me 15" is perfectly viewable and portable.
Celine Surico 23.09.2012	OK, I didn't you know you used the screen for the slot info. The extended slot info with F1 is a new thing I have not tested out (as I don't own an F1). I don't have my 20/20 vision any longer but as for Ableton Live I don't have a problem seeing slots with this 13" I'm typing on just now. I do have a a 17" MBP/SSD for work use but I would never take that one out for gigs due to the bulky size. For my work with a controller even a MacBook Air would be fine as I only look at the screen for waveforms and file browsing.
Faustino Stringfellow 23.09.2012	Originally Posted by AllDay You must not treat computers very well.. I have only owned HP laptops. My first one lasted me 5 years of solid use and I now have an i5 that can run everything I throw at it and more. I treat my kit very well, it's all the unit's that come here for repair that are broken. In the last 5 years, I've had more HP's in for repair than anything else. Toshiba's come in close second. They die from heat exhaustion, the vents clog and the chip's fry. Nothing I did ......more to do with shoddy design and cheaper components. Computers are being made with cheaper and cheaper components everyday, fact ..it's business. now compare the business line of the same company computers (rather than the consumer grade) their components are far superior and they last longer ..but they cost almost double. - again fact. BTW Ksandvic the prices I quoted were direct from the apple store 30 seconds before posting. I am an F1 user and it's bloody impossible to use a 13" with remix slots, I just can't see the damn slots when the screen is so small. If you say you should know what you are playing, try remembering every slot (64) for just one remix pack ... let alone an evening 's worth. Thats why I say a 13" isn't suitable for live work.
Tera Baragan 23.09.2012	Originally Posted by JSM Mine will last me a few years and I'll get decent resale. I'd never go near a HP machine again, in the last 5 years I've more dead HP and Toshibas than anything else. You get what you pay for I suppose. In fact I have a HP envy 15 (the one with beats audio) sat here in bits, blown GFX chip, which unfortunately for the owner means a new MB, and he has no money to pay for one. He's using my old 6 year old Dell 1501 now ... . You must not treat computers very well.. I have only owned HP laptops. My first one lasted me 5 years of solid use and I now have an i5 that can run everything I throw at it and more.

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