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I noticed this in Traktor for beat-matching.
Posted on: 07.11.2013 by Season Bergere
I've been practising getting really tight beat-matching and it isn't hard.

I noticed that when cueing another track there is a orange-indicator that moves around a center point, it seems that most (all?) the time when playing on the beat, it should be in the center.
I tested this by pressing the sync button and it almost always aligns to the center point.

If traktor makes it so easy by having this center point, it makes it real easy.
So for guys who are lazy and use sync, practice and train your ear.

YMMV

Since matching beats goes quickly when you train your ear and practice, I enjoy spending hours finding tracks that go well together and mixing them beautifully lol.
Danielle Caguioa
12.11.2013		That video made my day. Thank you.

Originally Posted by matrick
Might just slip this in here for (ir)relevance
Lang Abriel
09.11.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
BPM is beats per minute.
? Trying to be a troll or complete idiot?
Hank Guidas
09.11.2013
Originally Posted by Sambo
It's like there's another community dedicating it's time to trolling us haha
Haha, ya. Exactly
Jetta Drenzek
09.11.2013
Originally Posted by Dohjo
So many completely random threads lately, love it
It's like there's another community dedicating it's time to trolling us haha
Tera Baragan
09.11.2013
Originally Posted by sovvy
I've been practising getting really tight beat-matching and it isn't hard.

I noticed that when cueing another track there is a orange-indicator that moves around a center point, it seems that most (all?) the time when playing on the beat, it should be in the center.
I tested this by pressing the sync button and it almost always aligns to the center point.

If traktor makes it so easy by having this center point, it makes it real easy.
So for guys who are lazy and use sync, practice and train your ear.

YMMV

Since matching beats goes quickly when you train your ear and practice, I enjoy spending hours finding tracks that go well together and mixing them beautifully lol.
Using the phase meter is like using sync lmao. Beat matching is done without looking at your computer completely and beatmatch be ear!
Lawana Mileto
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by Kwal
Was a pretty bland post to begin with.. You might as well as started it off with "Dear Diary,"
HAHA brilliant, love it Kwal!
Hellen Mindrup
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by sovvy
Another person who misunderstood the post
Was a pretty bland post to begin with.. You might as well have started it off with "Dear Diary,"
Season Bergere
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by Nick V
So are we calling moving the pitch slider until the BPMs on the 2 decks have the same number and then pulling the phase meter to the middle, manual beat matching? Cause if you ever get in front of 2 TTs and an old school scratch mixer you're gunna be SOL. I'm not being a snob here - I love me some sync button. Just sayin...
Another person who misunderstood the post
Season Bergere
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by amadeus
Brilliant thread haha

So watching that and beat matching is training your ears, no.

Having the phase meter off and beatmatching is, otherwise you might as well be pressing sync.

You misunderstood my post completely

I said I just noticed that phase-meter thing seems to align in the center most times when the beat-match is correct - and therefore it's a bit of a cheat for lazy users.
Season Bergere
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
How well can you beatmatch without looking at the screen?
Very well, I don't look at the screen, I use my ears.
Layne Koop
08.11.2013
Originally Posted by Nick V
So are we calling moving the pitch slider until the BPMs on the 2 decks have the same number and then pulling the phase meter to the middle, manual beat matching? Cause if you ever get in front of 2 TTs and an old school scratch mixer you're gunna be SOL. I'm not being a snob here - I love me some sync button. Just sayin...
Preparation is NEVER cheating.

Even old school, there were stickers on the records on the radius of the "1" beat...and every song had BPM recorded for the mix in (and out) point for reference. No one (who actually cared) would come into a live club set with a couple of crates of new (to them) albums and try to thrown a set together on the fly.
Lawana Mileto
08.11.2013
Originally Posted by soundinmotiondj
+1

Live drummers present a particular challenge. Even if I get a really tight grid over a 8 or 16 beat loop at the beginning of the song...the live drummer will "drift" all over during the remainder of the song. The phase meter can be a useful tool, but it can also lie to you.
Yeah live dummers, especially older disco etc can present a challenge, but again you don't ned to rely on the phase meter to thell you this, just use your ears, and ride the pitch.
Layne Koop
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
The phase matter comes in handy to indicate the offset but only when your beat grids are super tight.
+1

Live drummers present a particular challenge. Even if I get a really tight grid over a 8 or 16 beat loop at the beginning of the song...the live drummer will "drift" all over during the remainder of the song. The phase meter can be a useful tool, but it can also lie to you.
Danielle Caguioa
12.11.2013		That video made my day. Thank you.

Originally Posted by matrick
Might just slip this in here for (ir)relevance
Brunilda Kora
09.11.2013		BPMs
Lang Abriel
09.11.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
BPM is beats per minute.
? Trying to be a troll or complete idiot?
Hank Guidas
09.11.2013
Originally Posted by Sambo
It's like there's another community dedicating it's time to trolling us haha
Haha, ya. Exactly
Jetta Drenzek
09.11.2013
Originally Posted by Dohjo
So many completely random threads lately, love it
It's like there's another community dedicating it's time to trolling us haha
Hank Guidas
09.11.2013		So many completely random threads lately, love it
Tera Baragan
09.11.2013
Originally Posted by sovvy
I've been practising getting really tight beat-matching and it isn't hard.

I noticed that when cueing another track there is a orange-indicator that moves around a center point, it seems that most (all?) the time when playing on the beat, it should be in the center.
I tested this by pressing the sync button and it almost always aligns to the center point.

If traktor makes it so easy by having this center point, it makes it real easy.
So for guys who are lazy and use sync, practice and train your ear.

YMMV

Since matching beats goes quickly when you train your ear and practice, I enjoy spending hours finding tracks that go well together and mixing them beautifully lol.
Using the phase meter is like using sync lmao. Beat matching is done without looking at your computer completely and beatmatch be ear!
Latoria Kavulich
08.11.2013		The phase meter has been in traktor forever
Alphonso Deitchman
08.11.2013		BPM is beats per minute.
Lang Abriel
08.11.2013		why do i hear ppl say bpmS so often....its not beats per minutes....

On the actual topic, the phase meter is much more useful than riding waveforms....
Bethann Olortegui
08.11.2013		Might just slip this in here for (ir)relevance
Lawana Mileto
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by Kwal
Was a pretty bland post to begin with.. You might as well as started it off with "Dear Diary,"
HAHA brilliant, love it Kwal!
Hellen Mindrup
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by sovvy
Another person who misunderstood the post
Was a pretty bland post to begin with.. You might as well have started it off with "Dear Diary,"
Season Bergere
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by Nick V
So are we calling moving the pitch slider until the BPMs on the 2 decks have the same number and then pulling the phase meter to the middle, manual beat matching? Cause if you ever get in front of 2 TTs and an old school scratch mixer you're gunna be SOL. I'm not being a snob here - I love me some sync button. Just sayin...
Another person who misunderstood the post
Season Bergere
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by amadeus
Brilliant thread haha

So watching that and beat matching is training your ears, no.

Having the phase meter off and beatmatching is, otherwise you might as well be pressing sync.

You misunderstood my post completely

I said I just noticed that phase-meter thing seems to align in the center most times when the beat-match is correct - and therefore it's a bit of a cheat for lazy users.
Season Bergere
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by makar1
How well can you beatmatch without looking at the screen?
Very well, I don't look at the screen, I use my ears.
Gertrud Morsette
08.11.2013		wich orange indicator do you mean exactly?
Layne Koop
08.11.2013
Originally Posted by Nick V
So are we calling moving the pitch slider until the BPMs on the 2 decks have the same number and then pulling the phase meter to the middle, manual beat matching? Cause if you ever get in front of 2 TTs and an old school scratch mixer you're gunna be SOL. I'm not being a snob here - I love me some sync button. Just sayin...
Preparation is NEVER cheating.

Even old school, there were stickers on the records on the radius of the "1" beat...and every song had BPM recorded for the mix in (and out) point for reference. No one (who actually cared) would come into a live club set with a couple of crates of new (to them) albums and try to thrown a set together on the fly.
Lawana Mileto
08.11.2013
Originally Posted by soundinmotiondj
+1

Live drummers present a particular challenge. Even if I get a really tight grid over a 8 or 16 beat loop at the beginning of the song...the live drummer will "drift" all over during the remainder of the song. The phase meter can be a useful tool, but it can also lie to you.
Yeah live dummers, especially older disco etc can present a challenge, but again you don't ned to rely on the phase meter to thell you this, just use your ears, and ride the pitch.
Layne Koop
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
The phase matter comes in handy to indicate the offset but only when your beat grids are super tight.
+1

Live drummers present a particular challenge. Even if I get a really tight grid over a 8 or 16 beat loop at the beginning of the song...the live drummer will "drift" all over during the remainder of the song. The phase meter can be a useful tool, but it can also lie to you.
Jetta Drenzek
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by Nick V
So are we calling moving the pitch slider until the BPMs on the 2 decks have the same number and then pulling the phase meter to the middle, manual beat matching? Cause if you ever get in front of 2 TTs and an old school scratch mixer you're gunna be SOL. I'm not being a snob here - I love me some sync button. Just sayin...
This exactly, it's what grinds my gears about Serato users who trash talk sync, when it's the exact same thing just consolidated into a button press.
Augustina Zulu
07.11.2013		So are we calling moving the pitch slider until the BPMs on the 2 decks have the same number and then pulling the phase meter to the middle, manual beat matching? Cause if you ever get in front of 2 TTs and an old school scratch mixer you're gunna be SOL. I'm not being a snob here - I love me some sync button. Just sayin...
Cassie Sangermano
07.11.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
The phase matter comes in handy to indicate the offset but only when your beat grids are super tight.
Exactly. If you're beatgrid isn't right then the phase meter is going to be of no use at all.....
Kellie Myrum
07.11.2013		The phase matter comes in handy to indicate the offset but only when your beat grids are super tight.
Hellen Mindrup
07.11.2013		I honestly had no idea what the phase meter was until about 4 months into me using Traktor. I don't see why anyone would depend on it anyways... It tends to be off a lot, but not to the untrained ear of course.
Lawana Mileto
07.11.2013		Brilliant thread haha

So watching that and beat matching is training your ears, no.

Having the phase meter off and beatmatching is, otherwise you might as well be pressing sync.
Lilliana Perris
07.11.2013		Thanks for that mate.

However, I believe most of us Traktor users know how the Phase Meter works!



Read the manual man!

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