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Custom 1200/1210 w/built in dicer (new)
Posted on: 05.05.2012 by Brunilda Kora
Slightly different mod to the ones we've seen so far - you decide:



EDIT; I didn't do this. Just found the photo...
Danae Dumler
09.10.2012
Originally Posted by ryansupak
2) The possibility of the magnets interfering with record tracking. No problems with that so far, though I would like to test it more before I'd call myself certain.
How would that even be possible? If the magnets are even close to strong enough to pull the tonearm from where they'd sit, they're way too big.
Dierdre Stillabower
09.10.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Well I'm proud if I manage to spray something one colour without streaks in it so I'm pretty impressed :P
In that last picture of his where the light's hitting the table, it looks like they didn't even bother to wet sand. All I see is orange peel. Such killer gear, but it looks awfully tacky with the second rate paint job.
Kiyoko Wellisch
06.05.2012
Originally Posted by djlotus
I would argue the craftsmanship is so-so. They were worked over by the guys at pimpmydecks.com. Spray paint with pin stripes hardly qualifies as good work. Add onto that every damn mod they offer and aside from Dicer integration they are the ugliest decks ever.
Well I'm proud if I manage to spray something one colour without streaks in it so I'm pretty impressed :P
Dione Haimes
06.05.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
My only concern is this - when you attach your Dicers like I do, using the attached DJ putty, you get an added element of "dampening", meaning you can really smash those buttons without having the needle skip. It's like having shocks fitted to the bottom of the Dicer.

This would be lost if you mounted them IN the TT. I'd also be a *little* worried (not much, though) about losing some of the height on the buttons. This is only the case if the aluminium case of the 1200's/1210's is any thicker than the plastic casings of the dicers...
the 'str8' tone arm helps a LOT for anti skip, therers a guy on my fb thats fitted straight tonearms onto his techs and says he has never had his needle skip after rigourous testing,

custom fabrication glass tube with a led inside
http://instagr.am/p/KQKaJZiINa/

Joy Ringer
09.10.2012
I suspect you're right.
rs
Danae Dumler
09.10.2012
I'd still believe those magnets would have to be incredibly powerful to cause any noticeable interference with a cart so far away - I doubt you'll have anything to worry about.
Joy Ringer
09.10.2012
It wasn't the magnets attracting the tonearm I was worried about, it was interference with the cartridge on the other deck if they were arranged battle-style.

It turns out (though I didn't know this) that the tonearms don't stick to magnets.

rs
Danae Dumler
09.10.2012
Originally Posted by ryansupak
2) The possibility of the magnets interfering with record tracking. No problems with that so far, though I would like to test it more before I'd call myself certain.
How would that even be possible? If the magnets are even close to strong enough to pull the tonearm from where they'd sit, they're way too big.
Dierdre Stillabower
09.10.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Well I'm proud if I manage to spray something one colour without streaks in it so I'm pretty impressed :P
In that last picture of his where the light's hitting the table, it looks like they didn't even bother to wet sand. All I see is orange peel. Such killer gear, but it looks awfully tacky with the second rate paint job.
Joy Ringer
09.10.2012
My solution is nowhere near as cool as these mods, but I wanted to share my experience:

I've got some beat-up old Technics with those metal turntable covers on them. One thing about these (all the ones I've seen anyway) is that they cover up the 45 adapter hole.

I looked into custom faceplates for 1200s with the Dicer holes already drilled in them. I found some for sale for $300, and after some investigation I came to realize that to put the Dicers inside a 1200, you have to do surgery on some of the internal insulation in addition to either buying faceplates or doing extensive metalwork on your own. I decided that wasn't worthwhile for me.

I tried velcro for awhile, basically I got the 2-part stuff with adhesive backing and put the "male" on the turntable and the "female" on the bottom of the dicers. I wasn't crazy about this because it was bulky and kind of "squishy" in use, and after awhile the corners on the velcro started peeling up.

***

Then I found some little round neodymium magnets that measure 10mm in diameter by 1mm in height. This is about the size of the (3) little rubber foot pads on the bottom of the Dicer. I took off the rubber feet and superglued the magnets to the dicer. This sticks it on really nicely.
I was concerned about a few things:

1) The possibility of the magnets damaging my hard drive. A google search debunked that possibility.
2) The possibility of the magnets interfering with record tracking. No problems with that so far, though I would like to test it more before I'd call myself certain.
3) The possibility of the magnets interfering with the Dicer's operation. No problems with that, as all the metallic parts are on a single PCB. (If there were metal contacts on the buttons I might have a problem).

So, this turned out to be the best solution for me.
Erich Vallabhaneni
08.05.2012
I dont agree with sport themed gear, but that's me not being a huge sports fan. But the OP's dicer setup looks cleaner to me and I feel like if you're really getting into it with the jazzy dicer mod the buttons might stick under the faceplate? never used dicers so I dunno how much they push down and such. either way nice mod OP and that Jazzy setup is sick minus the paint....now a star wars themed setup is where it would be at
Ira Alsadi
08.05.2012
The switch on Jeff's decks by the tonearm is a switch to turn on/off all the extra LED mods they installed.
Danae Dumler
08.05.2012
The built-in dicer is a great idea. Other than that though Jazzy Jeff's tables are ugly as shit. I don't even get the idea of tricking out your DJ gear for a sports team -- shouldn't you be doing that with a baseball bat or something? Either way though those are horribly ugly, and I much prefer the dicer in the pic on p1 of this thread, built into the table but not completely covered by the faceplate; it just looks wrong built in the way Jazzy Jeff does it. Maybe it's that awful gloss on the paint job that has me annoyed by it; the reflection is particularly bad right around the dicer in the photo.

However, the built in soundcard on the mixer is also great idea; I wonder how hard that sort of mod is. What is that button next to the tonearm on his turntables? Is that standard on the M5G or is that some other mod?

Lotus looking forward to seeing yours!

Edit - as for skipping, you can pretty much pound the crap out of dicers without skipping as it is. Maybe there is a bit more potential for it if it's sunken in like that but seems it would be easy to cushion if so. But yeah you shouldn't be pounding them anyway; they respond pretty well to simple tapping. And straight tonearms may improve skip resistance but so does a lighter touch on the record! Much cheaper AND won't ruin your vinyl.
Kiyoko Wellisch
06.05.2012
Originally Posted by djlotus
I would argue the craftsmanship is so-so. They were worked over by the guys at pimpmydecks.com. Spray paint with pin stripes hardly qualifies as good work. Add onto that every damn mod they offer and aside from Dicer integration they are the ugliest decks ever.
Well I'm proud if I manage to spray something one colour without streaks in it so I'm pretty impressed :P
Dione Haimes
06.05.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
My only concern is this - when you attach your Dicers like I do, using the attached DJ putty, you get an added element of "dampening", meaning you can really smash those buttons without having the needle skip. It's like having shocks fitted to the bottom of the Dicer.

This would be lost if you mounted them IN the TT. I'd also be a *little* worried (not much, though) about losing some of the height on the buttons. This is only the case if the aluminium case of the 1200's/1210's is any thicker than the plastic casings of the dicers...
the 'str8' tone arm helps a LOT for anti skip, therers a guy on my fb thats fitted straight tonearms onto his techs and says he has never had his needle skip after rigourous testing,

custom fabrication glass tube with a led inside
http://instagr.am/p/KQKaJZiINa/

Reda Holdsworth
06.05.2012
Nice thanks!
Brunilda Kora
06.05.2012
It looks like this:



Before sanding back strobe dots:



and after:


White platters look nice - but they are gonna get grimy as hell...
Reda Holdsworth
06.05.2012
How can I get just my platter's painted white?

Curious how the pitch dots look with it painted straight white & no black spots? Do they show up? The mod looks nice!
Ira Alsadi
05.05.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
The paint job isn't that bad... ;P



I should have been clearer- the actual craftsmanship is excellent, I'm impressed with how they have done it. I just believe the design itself is very garish and lurid. I'd love to be able to paint my gear quite so well!
I would argue the craftsmanship is so-so. They were worked over by the guys at pimpmydecks.com. Spray paint with pin stripes hardly qualifies as good work. Add onto that every damn mod they offer and aside from Dicer integration they are the ugliest decks ever.

There is a theory of design they don't comprehend. Keep It Simple Stupid.
Kiyoko Wellisch
05.05.2012
Originally Posted by lucasmanning
totally ruined those decks...
The paint job isn't that bad... ;P

Originally Posted by sobi
Please explain how that paint job is bad. If you're just not feeling the design, I understand that, but that job looks super high quality.
I should have been clearer- the actual craftsmanship is excellent, I'm impressed with how they have done it. I just believe the design itself is very garish and lurid. I'd love to be able to paint my gear quite so well!
Darren Teboe
05.05.2012
Please explain how that paint job is bad. If you're just not feeling the design, I understand that, but that job looks super high quality.
Lang Abriel
05.05.2012
I wish it was another paint scheme but I would kill for that setup. m5g's painted over just seems wrong to me for some reason. Any other tech's Im all for it
Vikki Jeannoel
05.05.2012
totally ruined those decks...
Romelia Stankard
05.05.2012
yes
Kiyoko Wellisch
05.05.2012
Anyone else believe that the paint job on JJ's gear is absolutely horrific?
Margie Pavell
05.05.2012
Originally Posted by djlotus
I hope you guys jock mine as much as Jazzy's when I'm done.
do you have a build thread going?
Margie Pavell
05.05.2012
love jazzy jeff...

hate the phillies...
Ira Alsadi
05.05.2012
I hope you guys jock mine as much as Jazzy's when I'm done.
Darren Teboe
05.05.2012
Cool, but not nearly as slick as Jazzy Jeff's custom set up. He has the pioneer 909 with a built in (I believe) SL3, and similar dicer mods. Oh... and a custom paint job too.



Ira Alsadi
05.05.2012
You lose a little height (1mm) but the buttons don't go any lower than flush with the deck plate when pushed; when mounted properly within the TT.

As far as smashing the buttons, aside from the fact that you shouldn't be smashing them , when I mounted them inside, I used rubber strips which serve to cushion the Dicer and maintain the position of the PCB.
Brunilda Kora
05.05.2012
My only concern is this - when you attach your Dicers like I do, using the attached DJ putty, you get an added element of "dampening", meaning you can really smash those buttons without having the needle skip. It's like having shocks fitted to the bottom of the Dicer.

This would be lost if you mounted them IN the TT. I'd also be a *little* worried (not much, though) about losing some of the height on the buttons. This is only the case if the aluminium case of the 1200's/1210's is any thicker than the plastic casings of the dicers...
Yong Aptekar
05.05.2012
I really like this mod! Better than DJ Jazzy Jeffs decks. The slightly raised up dicer as opposed to just the buttons gives it a nice little flair.
Brunilda Kora
05.05.2012
What it all boils down to is this - 90% of the guys using Dicers are turntablists (or, like me wannabe turntablists...), not controllerists.

They've/we've really got no need for any controllers other than buttons in the location that Dicers provide them. On the TT. What good is a knob/fader/touch strip on the TT???

You've gotta hand it to Novation - they've hit the nail DIRECTLY on the head with the Dicers, and FINALLY got Turntablists understanding what is possible with the software/control vinyl combo.
Ira Alsadi
05.05.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
The dicer is based 100% on it's position - ie - squeezed in the corner of a 1200/1210. Looks to me like the absolute MOST they could fit onto it in addition to the 5 pads and 3 banks switches, would be a 4th bank switch - right in the centre of the dicer...

But Novation aren't stupid. I'm sure if a 4th bank could have been squeezed in, they would have done it. Maybe there's not space on the PCB for a 4th switch. I dunno...
Absolutely there is literally NO room on the PCB to add anything.

The idea behind the Dicer really can't be improved upon without creating a new controller altogether.
Kiyoko Wellisch
05.05.2012
I agree with patch. I really do not see how they could revise the dicer.

Additionally you realise that even if they did bring out a new controller to fit there it doesn't mean that his old ones will stop working.
Brunilda Kora
05.05.2012
The dicer is based 100% on it's position - ie - squeezed in the corner of a 1200/1210. Looks to me like the absolute MOST they could fit onto it in addition to the 5 pads and 3 banks switches, would be a 4th bank switch - right in the centre of the dicer...

But Novation aren't stupid. I'm sure if a 4th bank could have been squeezed in, they would have done it. Maybe there's not space on the PCB for a 4th switch. I dunno...
Tashia Mcdunn
05.05.2012
I'm just sayin if they come out with new dicers that have a knob on em or a fourth bank or whatever and the shape changes slightly then this guy is kinda screwed.

Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Not really sure how you could revise the dicer. It's just 3 banks of 5 buttons.
Kiyoko Wellisch
04.05.2012
Originally Posted by jimbrowski00
dope... what sucks though is if they come out with a revision to dicers, and this guys stuck with the old version unless he performs surgery again.
Not really sure how you could revise the dicer. It's just 3 banks of 5 buttons.
Vikki Jeannoel
04.05.2012
thats awesome!
Tashia Mcdunn
04.05.2012
dope... what sucks though is if they come out with a revision to dicers, and this guys stuck with the old version unless he performs surgery again.

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