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Moog? External Analogue Filters - Send / Return on DJ Mixer
Posted on: 22.04.2012 by Hipolito Scionti
Anyone seen / used one of these badboys before?

Think it's primarily a guitar effect but looks like its obviously usable for djs too. I do a produce a bit too but was believeing of it more just for djing at home

http://www.htfr.com/p/300339/moog_mf...nalogue_filter

Check this demo 1.50 onwards on drums.



Having that kind of control on an analogue filter is very appealing...

Not that expensive either.

I'll be honest i've never used send / return on a mixer. So would this work well?

Thinking of swapping my djm800 for an empath rotary which has dry wet on each channel.

Would i be able to have filter on each channel at the same time then?

Cheers
Armando Chrystal
17.10.2012
Originally Posted by D-Kem
Yeah watching one yesterday and didn't bid but it went for
Lauretta Ehrhorn
17.10.2012
Yeah watching one yesterday and didn't bid but it went for
Armando Chrystal
17.10.2012
Originally Posted by D-Kem
Yeah watching one yesterday and didn't bid but it went for
Lauretta Ehrhorn
17.10.2012
Yeah watching one yesterday and didn't bid but it went for
Armando Chrystal
17.10.2012
Originally Posted by D-Kem
Yeah watching one yesterday and didn't bid but it went for
Lauretta Ehrhorn
17.10.2012
Yeah watching one yesterday and didn't bid but it went for
Armando Chrystal
17.10.2012
Originally Posted by D-Kem
Yeah watching one yesterday and didn't bid but it went for
Lauretta Ehrhorn
17.10.2012
Yeah watching one yesterday and didn't bid but it went for
Armando Chrystal
17.10.2012
Originally Posted by D-Kem
Yeah watching one yesterday and didn't bid but it went for
Lauretta Ehrhorn
17.10.2012
Yeah watching one yesterday and didn't bid but it went for
Carin Jackels
01.11.2012
i got 3 moogerfoogers for sale murf, freqbox and ring mod if your interested.
Lauretta Ehrhorn
31.10.2012
Eventually bought a filter factory and it should arrive tomorrow. The Vermona still looks tempting though.

Joh i'm with you. Would love an ARS 3500 or an A&H S6. Hmmm could always clean out the kids' Uni savings.
Lindy Jonker
17.10.2012
I'm in this leaky, swaying boat as well. Using an Empath and Empath Rotary - had them both for a couple of years now - and still to try out the FlexFX.

Not entirely convinced by the Rodec ReStyler (http://www.rodec.com/productdetails.php?code=74). Sick bit of kit, but almost a little on the gimmicky side?

Until such time I can afford a 4100, 5000 and 3500 (http://www.alpharecordingsystem.com/) looks like I'll be settling on a Vermna AFIII (http://www.vermona.com/index.php/en_actionfilter3.html).

I suppose the Pioneer EFX-1000 (http://www.pioneerdjusa.com/gear.aspx?product=EFX-1000) may be an option as well. Beyond all the effects there is an isolator/filter in there somewhere, having seen vids on YouTube. On wicked thing about this unit? You can assign any processing specifically to the frequency band (if you want to loop or break the top end but leave the bass untouched? Done).

The only other piece of kit I'd consider is a Moog 500 Ladder (http://www.moogmusic.com/products/50...-ladder-filter): a set of four so I could independently effect each channel AND master out.
Leeanna Ayla
17.10.2012
The subject line in the email on on my phone said Moog? External Anal It wasn't quite what I thought it would be after I clicked on it.
Rita Debar
17.10.2012
I used to use the AKAI MFC 42
Armando Chrystal
17.10.2012
Originally Posted by D-Kem
Yeah watching one yesterday and didn't bid but it went for
Lauretta Ehrhorn
17.10.2012
Yeah watching one yesterday and didn't bid but it went for
Armando Chrystal
17.10.2012
Akai MFC42 is used in studios by many of the big guys just hard to find now... Saw one the other day go for 500 but I had already bought so much other gear

and regarding effects pedals if its a stereo pedal you will still get stereo (I know that seems obvious but some prob believe every pedal is mono) I use a Boss DD-7 alongside a Soundbite XL with my Xone 92
Lauretta Ehrhorn
17.10.2012
Also got my eye on the Akai MFC42. Anyone had hand on experience?
Lauretta Ehrhorn
17.10.2012
Bumping this thread. Looking to add a stereo Rack filter mainly for DJing and wondering if anyone has any other suggestions. Tempted by the Vermona.
Hipolito Scionti
24.04.2012
What about this piece? Anyone tried one?

http://www.decks.co.uk/products/rodec/Restyler
Romelia Stankard
23.04.2012
Yeah, that would be pretty weird.
Hipolito Scionti
23.04.2012
Originally Posted by Xonetacular
No, it only has input for a mono signal, so you would have to convert the send/return loop to mono and it would make everything you put though it mono.
Yes, while the effect is on it'll be mono but when i go back to dry on the send return every thing will be stereo again right?
Romelia Stankard
23.04.2012
Originally Posted by MaxOne
It's being pitched at djs by htfr here

http://www.htfr.com/p/300339/moog_mf...nalogue_filter

Hmm so is the mono thing a deal breaker? Not sure for me it is. The ergonomics and sound quality of the thing looks pretty dope.

I mean even the stereo low pass filters mentioned would only add equal amounts to each stereo signal. There's nothing "stereo" about the effect right? (no panning etc)

The mono-ness would be audibly negligible no?
No, it only has input for a mono signal, so you would have to convert the send/return loop to mono and it would make everything you put though it mono.
Hipolito Scionti
23.04.2012
Originally Posted by Liambo
I use 4 Foogers regularly in the studio but have never attempted to use them in a DJ set.

But as for the 4 in the studio they work really well along with the Slim Phatty and the Voyager.
So have you got the MF-101? Would be wicked if you could test it quick on a dj mixer using send return... if you have?

This description on htfr sort of had me salivating, though i get it's a sales pitch:

"This is an incredibly warm analogue filter that is presented to dj's in a box that combines direct connectivity with the most simplistic operation. Simple tweaking of the knobs will allow you to remove the mid and high frequencies from your music to leave nothing but a deep, rumbling, and resonating bass, whenever and however you desire. The award-winning mf 101 lowpass filter is a direct descendant of the original moog modular synthesizers.

With it's heritage based on classic analogue technology, this stunning filter will bring back warmth that is so often lacking in modern gear and music. All of the filter's parameters can be controlled with by expressive rotary knobs that beg to be tweaked. Cut-off frequency, level, resonance and even the operational envelope can be adjusted to various degrees.

The beauty of this filter's design means it can be connected to your mixer and dj set-up via send & return loop, or between your mixer and amplifier via the master output cable. Either way, by the press of a button, the filter can be applied or by-passed in an instant. Perfect for throwing your mix into, and out of, a state of frenzied rumbling.

A few manufacturers have tried to bring the classic analogue filter to djs, very few have done it right, nevermind make it affordable. And even those who succeeded at that, never succeeded in making it simple or as effective as this. It's acknowledged that moog designed this filter unit for guitarists or keyboard players, so the fact it works so well for djs almost by accident, makes the sound even more satisfying!."
Palma Hanslip
23.04.2012
I use 4 Foogers regularly in the studio but have never attempted to use them in a DJ set.

But as for the 4 in the studio they work really well along with the Slim Phatty and the Voyager.
Celestine Porebski
23.04.2012
There's a few more (can't really comment on the qualities though, haven't used any of them): Sherman Rodec Restyler, Sherman Filterbank, Electrix Filter Queen (this one has been out of production for a while though, would probably need some luck and good hunting to get one)
Hipolito Scionti
23.04.2012
It's being pitched at djs by htfr here

http://www.htfr.com/p/300339/moog_mf_101_analogue_filter

Hmm so is the mono thing a deal breaker? Not sure for me it is. The ergonomics and sound quality of the thing looks pretty dope.

I mean even the stereo low pass filters mentioned would only add equal amounts to each stereo signal. There's nothing "stereo" about the effect right? (no panning etc)

The mono-ness would be audibly negligible no?
Georgina Schatzman
22.04.2012
Like some one mentioned, they are mono so I doubt they would get that much use
Leeanna Ayla
22.04.2012
I've always wondered about these Moogerfoogers. Has anybody seen one used in a DJ set?
Ashlea Retzlaff
22.04.2012
i have a bunch of guitar effect pedals..always wanted to see if i can incorporate them into djing somehow.
Georgina Schatzman
22.04.2012
Xone said the two I would have mentioned. The A&H one is good, but the Vermona has more character
Romelia Stankard
22.04.2012
the vermona action filter II plus is also stereo but also 19"

Romelia Stankard
22.04.2012
Originally Posted by MaxOne
What are the alternatives for external filters? Other than the kaoss pads...
Romelia Stankard
22.04.2012
Originally Posted by MaxOne
hmm. presume low pass filter is always mono right? even on a xone etc
No not always, the xone filters are stereo.

This moog filter is meant for monophonic instruments like guitars and monosynths
Hipolito Scionti
22.04.2012
What are the alternatives for external filters? Other than the kaoss pads...
Hipolito Scionti
22.04.2012
Originally Posted by lethal_pizzle
It's mono, so be aware!
hmm. presume low pass filter is always mono right? even on a xone etc
Marshall Aby
22.04.2012
It's mono, so be aware!
Hipolito Scionti
22.04.2012
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Yeah, should work just fine. but after googling and looking and the front/back of the Empath, all the channels would be sharing the Mooger. You couldn't have a high pass on one channel and low pass on the other, they all would be sharing the filter settings.
yeah, it would be just dry/wet of the same filter setting for each track. but if the setting was set could i use dry wet on both channels right?

Are you saying the empath would work diffferent to the djm800 in terms of sharing the mooger?

It's a dope little filter box though. Sick sound

TBH i normally only filter on one channel anyway.
Georgina Schatzman
22.04.2012
Yeah, should work just fine. but after googling and looking and the front/back of the Empath, all the channels would be sharing the Mooger. You couldn't have a high pass on one channel and low pass on the other, they all would be sharing the filter settings.

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