Djm --> s4 Playing some clubs in NYC soon. Gansevoort, Darby, Pink Elephant.
I wanna use my S4. My baby.
Setup through the DJM.. normally 900.
Watcha believe?
Thanks.
Jed. |
Trula Willadsen
09.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
What do you mean?
He means that DJ's, and this is the focuspoint right here ---> SHOULD know what they are doing. Just like doctors should know wht they're doing, just like teachers should.
Lol thread |
Kiyoko Wellisch
09.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by SirReal
That's the problem. Insert any other occupation in place of DJ and you'll see what I mean. Most Doctors have no clue what they are doing. Most Teachers have no clue what they are doing.
What do you mean? |
Antonetta Wikel
09.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by backtothefront
this thread, wow, just wow. I simply do not understand the concept that a dj does not even know the basics of audio routing, not a criticism but seriously if you're going to play out with whatever is your format of choice, a very elementary knowledge of hooking up audio is essential - the original suggestion of a connecting to a free mixer ch and adjusting levels is all that is required, unless i've missed something?! Bttf wanders off.... Muttering and confused.....
^^^^^this^^^^^ |
Antonetta Wikel
09.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Most DJs have no clue what they are doing.
That's the problem. Insert any other occupation in place of DJ and you'll see what I mean. Most Doctors have no clue what they are doing. Most Teachers have no clue what they are doing. |
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I played with 3 DJs this weekend who didnt know that CDJ-2000's read off of USB media. 1 of them didn't believe me until I actually showed him it playing off of a flash drive. If you know that a 900 has a sound card, you're already in the elite knowledge bracket. Knowing how to work it is practically a myth.
I was more meaning you and I in that situation. I agree, DJs are bad at tech. But wow- not knowing CDJ2000s took usb sticks? :P |
Nancey Inderlied
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Um. If you know you're going to be using a DJM900 why would you wait until you get there to acquire the driver...? Basic prep.
I played with 3 DJs this weekend who didnt know that CDJ-2000's read off of USB media. 1 of them didn't believe me until I actually showed him it playing off of a flash drive. If you know that a 900 has a sound card, you're already in the elite knowledge bracket. Knowing how to work it is practically a myth. |
Kiyoko Wellisch
09.11.2012 | Oh me too- I do love knowing as much as I can about any gear I might stumble across. I'd like to get a little more knowledgeable when it comes to ALSA and then write a comprehensive .asoundrc file and start up script for xwax so in the end I'll be able to plug it into whatever interface I fancy and it automatically identifies the card and launches xwax with the appropriate flags.
Never gunna happen though :P |
Emerson Crist
09.11.2012 | Kinda is vital. One of the things I pride myself of is before playing out, I do as much research as I can about a venue. Even if its a friends house, I like knowing whats available and what are the specs and conditions of the gear
. If there is some gear
im not familiar with, I do a quick google search, and figure out my best option, most likely the one with the least amount of hassle.
In any case, knowing that a DJM900 has four available inputs, two of which are open about %75 of the time in any club, is something that any aspiring DJ should know by now, especially when lurking a community
like this. |
Kiyoko Wellisch
09.11.2012 | We were talking about knowing the DJM900 had a soundcard in it. That's hardly vital knowledge. |
Trula Willadsen
09.11.2012 | Actually, it is the same thing.
He does not understand how to hook up his controller to a DJM900, ergo he can't use the kit well. |
Kiyoko Wellisch
09.11.2012 | Not really the same thing, you don't need to understand the kit to use it well. |
Trula Willadsen
09.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
What do you mean?
He means that DJ's, and this is the focuspoint right here ---> SHOULD know what they are doing. Just like doctors should know wht they're doing, just like teachers should.
Lol thread |
Kiyoko Wellisch
09.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by SirReal
That's the problem. Insert any other occupation in place of DJ and you'll see what I mean. Most Doctors have no clue what they are doing. Most Teachers have no clue what they are doing.
What do you mean? |
Antonetta Wikel
09.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by backtothefront
this thread, wow, just wow. I simply do not understand the concept that a dj does not even know the basics of audio routing, not a criticism but seriously if you're going to play out with whatever is your format of choice, a very elementary knowledge of hooking up audio is essential - the original suggestion of a connecting to a free mixer ch and adjusting levels is all that is required, unless i've missed something?! Bttf wanders off.... Muttering and confused.....
^^^^^this^^^^^ |
Antonetta Wikel
09.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Most DJs have no clue what they are doing.
That's the problem. Insert any other occupation in place of DJ and you'll see what I mean. Most Doctors have no clue what they are doing. Most Teachers have no clue what they are doing. |
Lashawn Maycock
09.11.2012 | This thread, wow, just wow. I simply do not understand the concept that a DJ does not even know the basics of audio routing, not a criticism but seriously if you're going to play out with whatever is your format of choice, a very elementary knowledge of hooking up audio is essential - the original suggestion of a connecting to a free mixer ch and adjusting levels is all that is required, unless I've missed something?! BTTF wanders off.... muttering and confused..... |
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I played with 3 DJs this weekend who didnt know that CDJ-2000's read off of USB media. 1 of them didn't believe me until I actually showed him it playing off of a flash drive. If you know that a 900 has a sound card, you're already in the elite knowledge bracket. Knowing how to work it is practically a myth.
I was more meaning you and I in that situation. I agree, DJs are bad at tech. But wow- not knowing CDJ2000s took usb sticks? :P |
Elizabet Sledz
08.11.2012 | I played with a guy who thought 'Key lock' meant that it forces tracks to harmonise together. |
Nancey Inderlied
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Um. If you know you're going to be using a DJM900 why would you wait until you get there to acquire the driver...? Basic prep.
I played with 3 DJs this weekend who didnt know that CDJ-2000's read off of USB media. 1 of them didn't believe me until I actually showed him it playing off of a flash drive. If you know that a 900 has a sound card, you're already in the elite knowledge bracket. Knowing how to work it is practically a myth. |
Addie Engbrecht
08.11.2012 | That may be true. I might be over-estimating the OP's knowledge/experience. |
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Ive played and run sound for over 12 different DJ's for the first time over the past two weeks. there were 8 S4 users, and not one single one of them understood how to use the preferences pane in Traktor. And only half of them were capable of patching in their setup's properly.
If there's one thing Ive learned in a few years of teching and playing, it's that the average DJ is a fucking retard.
And that's exactly why I thought this:
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Plug output of S4 into any empty input on DJM. Bring fader up.
/thread
was not enough detail. Most DJs have no clue what they are doing. |
Nancey Inderlied
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by manchild
You're so right. Mad people show up to gigs w/ shredded USB cords and w/ out downloading software/drivers needed to do a gig.
Just the other day, I deleted Traktor off my laptop, then I showed up to a gig w/ RCA cables that my GF has been using as jumprope for the past month.
Come on man. Way over-exagerated
Ive played and run sound for over 12 different DJ's for the first time over the past two weeks. there were 8 S4 users, and not one single one of them understood how to use the preferences pane in Traktor. And only half of them were capable of patching in their setup's properly.
If there's one thing Ive learned in a few years of teching and playing, it's that the average DJ is a fucking retard. |
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Because virtually every person with basic sound gear
knowledge should know that.
Key word there. Chap's asking for info, give info.
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
That would be an incredible ergonomical and logistical pain in the ass. Why would you waste all the time and effort setting that up?
Because the mixer section on the S4 sucks balls and all I'd be doing on the S4 is hitting play. If anything I'd probably just use keyboard shortcuts and leave the S4 in a bag.
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Translated:
Ask SM for wifi password onstage
Download nexus driver onstage
Incorrectly install driver, bother SM again and try again
Successfully install driver
Plug in DJM with shredded USB cord
Attempt to decipher Nexus utility, fail, don't correct
Open up Traktor, have no idea where the settings are, ask SM
Attempt to figure out how output routing and external mixing work, fail, ask SM
Correct output routing with SM's help, set to external mixing after SM yells at you about it
Test output, output fails, ask SM
SM checks the input switches on DJM, still no output
Figure out that the Nexus utility was incorrectly set up, repeat process from Utility settings step until you have the correct routing out of 7 options
Test output, output works
Attempt to play set with your controller and mixing controls on literally different planes of existence on the stage
VS.
Plug RCA lead into back of mixer
Match the input switch
Set S4 on the top of a case
Play.
ITS NOT LIKE I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS BEFORE.
Um. If you know you're going to be using a DJM900 why would you wait until you get there to acquire the driver...? Basic prep. |
Addie Engbrecht
08.11.2012 | You're so right. Mad people show up to gigs w/ shredded USB cords and w/ out downloading software/drivers needed to do a gig.
Just the other day, I deleted Traktor off my laptop, then I showed up to a gig w/ RCA cables that my GF has been using as jumprope for the past month.
Come on man. Way over-exagerated |
Nancey Inderlied
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by manchild
Download free and available online nexus driver and utility. Plug in USB. Set-up your output routing.....whats the problem??
Translated:
Ask SM for wifi password onstage
Download nexus driver onstage
Incorrectly install driver, bother SM again and try again
Successfully install driver
Plug in DJM with shredded USB cord
Attempt to decipher Nexus utility, fail, don't correct
Open up Traktor, have no idea where the settings are, ask SM
Attempt to figure out how output routing and external mixing work, fail, ask SM
Correct output routing with SM's help, set to external mixing after SM yells at you about it
Test output, output fails, ask SM
SM checks the input switches on DJM, still no output
Figure out that the Nexus utility was incorrectly set up, repeat process from Utility settings step until you have the correct routing out of 7 options
Test output, output works
Attempt to play set with your controller and mixing controls on literally different planes of existence on the stage
VS.
Plug RCA lead into back of mixer
Match the input switch
Set S4 on the top of a case
Play.
ITS NOT LIKE I'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS BEFORE. |
Addie Engbrecht
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by shr3dder
If you can't plug do a simple RCA connection...
Thats a good point, but....he did only say what do we believe. Didnt ask how to do it or anything like that. So I believe people r assuming he doesnt know how, he hasnt actually come out and asked or said he doesnt know. |
Ara Tima
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by manchild
Download free and available online nexus driver and utility. Plug in USB. Set-up your output routing.....whats the problem??
If you can't do a simple RCA connection... |
Addie Engbrecht
08.11.2012 | Download free and available online nexus driver and utility. Plug in USB. Set-up your output routing.....whats the problem?? |
Nancey Inderlied
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Why would a controller DJ know the difference between phono and line?
Lots of people DJ and have no clue what the gain knob is for too.
Because virtually every person with basic sound gear
knowledge should know that. Also the phono inputs on DJMs have caps on them.
If you don't have a basic understanding of sound gear
, you shouldnt be touching sound gear
. Just hand your stuff to the engineer, and ask him nicely to make it do sounds good for you. You'll most likely break something important the minute you touch anything on the stage.
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
I believe I'd use the jogs on the S4 but use the DJM instead of the internal mixer tbh.
That would be an incredible ergonomical and logistical pain in the ass. Why would you waste all the time and effort setting that up? |
Breanne Penge
08.11.2012 | sigh |
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by jprime
....the DJM doesn't have jog wheels....?
I believe I'd use the jogs on the S4 but use the DJM instead of the internal mixer tbh. |
Addie Engbrecht
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by jprime
....the DJM doesn't have jog wheels....?
Using the S4 as a controller only. If I was dependant on the S4, I would at least do that. Use the 900's soundcard and you have a way better sounding mixer than the S4, not to mention more FX and filters and I almost cant live without the Gate/Comp now. |
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by shr3dder
Well if your going to bring a controller to a club that has an existing setup, you should know the basics of hooking it up..
In fact any DJ playing out should at least know the basics of what Phono is, line is...
Which is why he came here, so we can tell him :P
It's our job to be detailed! |
Breanne Penge
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by haze324
+1
Serious question though, if there's a DJM-900 why would you ever want to use an S4 instead?
....the DJM doesn't have jog wheels....? |
Nita Eviston
08.11.2012 | only works with a rca cable of this quality or higher.
http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-Col.../dp/B000J38N4S |
Ara Tima
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Why would a controller DJ know the difference between phono and line?
Well if your going to bring a controller to a club that has an existing setup, you should know the basics of hooking it up..
In fact any DJ playing out should at least know the basics of what Phono is, line is... |
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.11.2012 | Why would a controller DJ know the difference between phono and line?
Lots of people DJ and have no clue what the gain knob is for too. |
Ara Tima
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Might be handy to add a little more detail, following instructions that simple could lead to problems.
To be honest, if you can't hook something this simple up I'd be wary about trying to play a gig using the S4... |
Nancey Inderlied
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
Might be handy to add a little more detail, following instructions that simple could lead to problems.
|
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Plug output of S4 into any empty input on DJM. Bring fader up.
/thread
Might be handy to add a little more detail, following instructions that simple could lead to problems. |
