Maschine MK2, for turntable DJ

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Maschine MK2, for turntable DJ
Posted on: 24.11.2012 by Federico Vilas
anyone who uses mainly ttables have a machine that they incorporate into their mix? I've seen shiftee, craze, etc... but would like to know from a regular non-paid NI dj how you like the maschine...

I was going to order the x1/f1 but thought it was pointless b/c i can map all the same features into my maschine and use in traktor

I was also looking into the z2 but I already have a great mixer and was a little weary after reading post about stiff faders and bad paint...my vestax 07 pro is a tank, faders are butta and again, I can map out maschine for the extra uses of what the z2 offers

I ordered the WHITE maschine mk2 and it's on it's way... I cannot wait to spend hours and hours making my own music to use in my dj sets...i'm not a producer turned dj, i'm a DJ that wants to finally start producing my own music and customized remix sets

I thought it was cool how you can run both traktor and maschine software at same time
Kiyoko Wellisch
02.12.2012
Originally Posted by DjLiquitATL
almost done with my mapping BUT the shift function doesn't work! the bank buttons are unmappable too....
You sure you have it set up how you want in the controller editor?
Federico Vilas
01.12.2012
Originally Posted by Destiny
Don't get confused, though. Only the top row is mapable, and you can't shift your grid. I have seen workarounds for Maschine to use the remix decks, but nothing is even close to being as optimal as the F1.
I didn't buy the maschine for use with traktor only...I wanted to start making beats and thought it would be a good addition to my setup for basic features, i.e. fx control, cue points, loops, etc...nothing fancy

still playing around with the mapping,...i'm sure shiftee will figure something out for us turntablist on the mk2
Estrella Rozzo
01.12.2012
Originally Posted by NoizeuNit
hmmm maybe i should sell my Kontrol F1 and just buy the Maschine Mk2...
Don't get confused, though. Only the top row is mapable, and you can't shift your grid. I have seen workarounds for Maschine to use the remix decks, but nothing is even close to being as optimal as the F1.
Kasandra Kreindler
30.11.2012
Originally Posted by DjLiquitATL
my maschine came in yest!...Beautiful piece of gear . I'm working on a vinyl dj mapping for it and will post when completed. It has quite a few differences in the layout from the mk1... you can map the remix decks to it btw, but i'm not sure I want to do so. I'm working on browser and fx settings now then will get into the fun stuff
hmmm maybe i should sell my Kontrol F1 and just buy the Maschine Mk2...
Ervin Calvery
27.11.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
What do you mean by "balance"? I complain a lot about Maschine's mixer from a studio perspective, but from a live perspective, it's easily good enough.
What do you mean "Maschine's mixer"? In a live situation or otherwise, I route Maschine's groups to individual channels. I use hardware mixers or an APCs for this, except when space is a real concern, and I just run Maschine inside of Live and switch my Maschine controllers back and forth from instances to the Ableton mapping (primarily to use the eight encoders to pull the volume faders up and down). I like to fade pads and patterns in and out, and if I have hardware faders, cut them the way I could if they were on records.
Dorie Scelzo
26.11.2012
Originally Posted by LoopCat
Sooo they need to give Maschine pitch bend!
Yes, that would make everything better.

Originally Posted by botstein
It's fine if you run it inside Ableton. I find that that's what I need to do in order to have enough control over balance.
What do you mean by "balance"? I complain a lot about Maschine's mixer from a studio perspective, but from a live perspective, it's easily good enough.
Federico Vilas
03.12.2012		i've got a pretty good mapping in the making too...one with 1200's setup and another deckadized... I have to edit a few notes on the controller to make it easier to navigate
Sydney Lashway
03.12.2012		LiquitATL you are a boss!!
Federico Vilas
02.12.2012		I got it to work but only for one deck...i'll post mapping after testing it in a couple days...here's a video on how to:

Kiyoko Wellisch
02.12.2012		Because he wrote custom firmware that mimicked the HID messages. There's no midi mapping involved. It's impossible.
Federico Vilas
02.12.2012		my bad, I was able to change colors and customize led display names in controller editor...one small issue I found is that banks have duplicate notes...i.e...in bank A if i set cue 1-4 on deck a for top 4 buttons...the same notes are the bottom 4 buttons in bank b...so i've mapped out deck a for bank a and deck b for deck e...

haven't messed with remix decks...but if ean can map out his mfighter 3d to control them I don't see why I can't map mashine to do the same
Kiyoko Wellisch
02.12.2012		It's not possible.
Sydney Lashway
02.12.2012		Hold the Phone!!!!

Remix decks on Maschine? Can someone verify/clarify this for me (ie. 1.8 and up, only the 4 slots, or the entire thing)

Also, check out Beaubryte's mapping in the "Maps" section it's got nothing but good reviews, and he seems to be very prompt and current with regards to trouble shooting and updates. I believe his mapping or like I previously said using maschine as a live input seems to be the best way.
Kiyoko Wellisch
02.12.2012
Originally Posted by DjLiquitATL
almost done with my mapping BUT the shift function doesn't work! the bank buttons are unmappable too....
You sure you have it set up how you want in the controller editor?
Federico Vilas
01.12.2012
Originally Posted by Destiny
Don't get confused, though. Only the top row is mapable, and you can't shift your grid. I have seen workarounds for Maschine to use the remix decks, but nothing is even close to being as optimal as the F1.
I didn't buy the maschine for use with traktor only...I wanted to start making beats and thought it would be a good addition to my setup for basic features, i.e. fx control, cue points, loops, etc...nothing fancy

still playing around with the mapping,...i'm sure shiftee will figure something out for us turntablist on the mk2
Estrella Rozzo
01.12.2012
Originally Posted by NoizeuNit
hmmm maybe i should sell my Kontrol F1 and just buy the Maschine Mk2...
Don't get confused, though. Only the top row is mapable, and you can't shift your grid. I have seen workarounds for Maschine to use the remix decks, but nothing is even close to being as optimal as the F1.
Federico Vilas
01.12.2012		almost done with my mapping BUT the shift function doesn't work! the bank buttons are unmappable too....
Kasandra Kreindler
30.11.2012
Originally Posted by DjLiquitATL
my maschine came in yest!...Beautiful piece of gear . I'm working on a vinyl dj mapping for it and will post when completed. It has quite a few differences in the layout from the mk1... you can map the remix decks to it btw, but i'm not sure I want to do so. I'm working on browser and fx settings now then will get into the fun stuff
hmmm maybe i should sell my Kontrol F1 and just buy the Maschine Mk2...
Federico Vilas
30.11.2012		my maschine came in yest!...Beautiful piece of gear . I'm working on a vinyl dj mapping for it and will post when completed. It has quite a few differences in the layout from the mk1... you can map the remix decks to it btw, but i'm not sure I want to do so. I'm working on browser and fx settings now then will get into the fun stuff
Dorie Scelzo
27.11.2012		I mean Maschine's mixer. Every sound and group already has a level control for it inside the Maschine software. They also have pan controls.

It just doens't have a "mixer view" or anything resembling level meters, which makes it more convoluted to use.
Ervin Calvery
27.11.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
What do you mean by "balance"? I complain a lot about Maschine's mixer from a studio perspective, but from a live perspective, it's easily good enough.
What do you mean "Maschine's mixer"? In a live situation or otherwise, I route Maschine's groups to individual channels. I use hardware mixers or an APCs for this, except when space is a real concern, and I just run Maschine inside of Live and switch my Maschine controllers back and forth from instances to the Ableton mapping (primarily to use the eight encoders to pull the volume faders up and down). I like to fade pads and patterns in and out, and if I have hardware faders, cut them the way I could if they were on records.
Dorie Scelzo
26.11.2012
Originally Posted by LoopCat
Sooo they need to give Maschine pitch bend!
Yes, that would make everything better.

Originally Posted by botstein
It's fine if you run it inside Ableton. I find that that's what I need to do in order to have enough control over balance.
What do you mean by "balance"? I complain a lot about Maschine's mixer from a studio perspective, but from a live perspective, it's easily good enough.
Ervin Calvery
26.11.2012
Originally Posted by LoopCat
Sooo they need to give Maschine pitch bend!
It's fine if you run it inside Ableton. I find that that's what I need to do in order to have enough control over balance.
Ming Devis
26.11.2012		Sooo they need to give Maschine pitch bend!
Federico Vilas
26.11.2012		[QUOTE=ObviousAlias;556959](Shiftee's mapping, which he gave away a few months ago).QUOTE]

He had a few videos I remember going through his mappings but I heard not compatible with mk2?
Ervin Calvery
26.11.2012
Originally Posted by ObviousAlias
One thing to keep in mind is that Craze and Shiftee don't actually run Maschine software and Traktor simultaneously. They both use Traktor with Maschine midi-mapped to control it, and both actually use the same mapping (Shiftee's mapping, which he gave away a few months ago).

Outside of that, the Maschine hardware is a great controller, depending on how well you map it to control Traktor.

There are a few out there who do use Maschine software concurrently with Traktor, but those folks don't seem to use the Maschine hardware to control Traktor. At least not in what I have seen.

Maschine is awesome though!
It's easy to switch between instances and Midi mappings.
Kanesha Bredin
26.11.2012
Originally Posted by DjLiquitATL
anyone who uses mainly ttables have a machine that they incorporate into their mix? I've seen shiftee, craze, etc... but would like to know from a regular non-paid NI dj how you like the maschine...
One thing to keep in mind is that Craze and Shiftee don't actually run Maschine software and Traktor simultaneously. They both use Traktor with Maschine midi-mapped to control it, and both actually use the same mapping (Shiftee's mapping, which he gave away a few months ago).

Outside of that, the Maschine hardware is a great controller, depending on how well you map it to control Traktor.

There are a few out there who do use Maschine software concurrently with Traktor, but those folks don't seem to use the Maschine hardware to control Traktor. At least not in what I have seen.

Maschine is awesome though!
Federico Vilas
26.11.2012
Originally Posted by BiggChev
Guys like, Craze an Shiftee have it mapped to control cue-points and effects.
that's all I need it for...I don't have to use remix decks, I can always make a mapping to control c/d decks, cue points, effects etc... I just want to mix in my own beats, which I can do when loaded into c/d...which I have routed volume control on my 07 pro through send/receive knob
Kasandra Kreindler
26.11.2012		want to incorporate this into my setup eventhough i have an F1, i can see the benifit of maschine and F1 after having some time spent with the F1....always another toy
Ervin Calvery
26.11.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
That's a lot of fun and way more powerful than the remix decks. Unfortunately, Maschine lacks pitchbend buttons, so actually syncing the tempo manually is an exercise in futility. Hosting it in Live solves that problem (because Live has pitch bend buttons) as well as overcoming other limitations of Maschine, but it's kind of convoluted.

Still……that setup is probably the best at what it does.
I host my Maschines in Ableton like mostapha described. It's fun.
Dorie Scelzo
27.11.2012
Originally Posted by BiggChev
Have Maschine loaded as a live input in Traktor, match the BPM on Maschine and from there program loops live using the step sequencer. To me that seems like the easiest way of integrating it into your DJ setup.
That's a lot of fun and way more powerful than the remix decks. Unfortunately, Maschine lacks pitchbend buttons, so actually syncing the tempo manually is an exercise in futility. Hosting it in Live solves that problem (because Live has pitch bend buttons) as well as overcoming other limitations of Maschine, but it's kind of convoluted.

Still……that setup is probably the best at what it does.
Sydney Lashway
27.11.2012		I know some guys like Booka Shade, Hawtin, Bass Kleph use it just as a drum sequencer...

Have Maschine loaded as a live input in Traktor, match the BPM on Maschine and from there program loops live using the step sequencer. To me that seems like the easiest way of integrating it into your DJ setup.

Guys like, Craze an Shiftee have it mapped to control cue-points and effects.

I'm not that great with mapping but I guess there is a way to switch from MIDI mode, in which you can map it out to perform various functions in Traktor, to Maschine mode to use it with Maschine software.
Leeanna Ayla
26.11.2012		They still require an F1.
Dorie Scelzo
25.11.2012		AFAIK, you can't really map Maschine to have fine pitch controls. And it can't control Traktor's REMIX decks unless they've opened them up……I thought they required F1s.
Federico Vilas
25.11.2012		i'll figure something out... I don't really like sync b/c its never right... I plan mainly to make beats for my mixes and then incorporate them into my remix decks... I could then just map out maschine to have fine pitch adjustment controls and everything will be good to go...I only believe i'll run maschine for performing live beats for hip-hop style gigs... I can always break a beat down and seperate each part in the remix deck to work better...idk, i'm excited...everyone I know that makes beats with it has sold their mpc's and LOVE the maschine... dj shiftee gets it to work pretty good, his style is more of how I mix, old/new tracks with a little live remix and samples that I may use maschine to trigger
Dorie Scelzo
25.11.2012		I used them together when I was on Traktor Pro, but I wasn't using Traktor Scratch.

I thought it was awesome. But, you have to do ridiculous things to give Maschine good tempo controls.

The two things I've seen that work are hosting it in Live (and mapping some controls on its MIDI layer to control Live's tempo and transport controls) and using Traktor's sync functions and it's MIDI out (while mapping some controls to Traktor's MIDI Clock Transport).

If Maschine just had pitch bend buttons, that wouldn't be an issue.

As far as actually using it, there are several ways to do it. You can build kits…you can dedicate groups to variations on sounds…if you set up the audio routing correctly (might require more gear) and you're really good at using Maschine, you can sample off the audio you're playing and mess with it. You can load-up productions and do a live-PA type thing, adapting the structure of your song to match what the crowd wants. It's really cool…………as soon as you get over that tempo issue.

There's a video on the blog about somebody who uses Maschine alongside CDJs. He solved the tempo issues (as well as Maschine's limited mixer) by hosting it in Live, restricting his workflow to be viable in a live setting, and mapping some controls on Maschine's MIDI layer to control Live's tempo & transport. He also sent out busses from Maschine to process them in Live so that–for example–he could use side-chain compression on the bass parts to make the kick punch through without being as picky about the sounds he used.

I'm planning on setting up something similar soon with my DDJ-SX. Serato DJ and Maschine will be running on the same laptop, but they won't actually talk to each other. Right now, I'm at the rebuilding kits stage.

The only thing that really worries me is having to switch between layers for pitch bending and transport. My brain doesn't deal well with layers.
Federico Vilas
25.11.2012		thanks for the help, yeah I read that you can run both maschine software along with traktor at same time and switch between what the maschine controls if you map it out to do so... only other thing I heard is that your beat grids have to be perfect to do so... mapping isn't the issue. Just wanted to know anyhow who actually uses both ttables and maschine and how they like it, pro's/con's etc...i'm sure It will be pefect for what I need it for
Nedra Fresneda
25.11.2012
Originally Posted by Destiny
Although you could swap between both, but I'm not sure how efficient that is.
Depends entirely on the functions mapped in the MIDI layer and how you construct a workflow around it, you are just 2 buttons away between each other.
Estrella Rozzo
25.11.2012		And I'm pretty sure you can't RUN Maschine & use it as a Midi-controller at the same time. You either use it for running Maschine synced with Traktor, or as a MIDI-controller.
Although you could swap between both, but I'm not sure how efficient that is.
Ulysses Vittetoe
25.11.2012		You'll have to sync maschine to Traktor's clock if you want to use maschine with traktor and not have to grab an f1.

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