Traktor 2.6 Hogging CPU!

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Traktor 2.6 Hogging CPU!
Posted on: 29.10.2012 by Rosita Jesch
Hi All,

I just started 2.6 up for the first time and my load is 20% or so with empty decks and it fluctuates for no reason.

Is this only the first time it starts up? A bug?

OSX 10.7.5

Fores
Lisette Ruben
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by Nicky H
Haven't got it on my macbook yet but on Windows there's no difference.

Must be a Mountain Lion problem?
I've had some minor audio glitches and delay here lately with 2.6 on Windows. I'm probably going to switch back to 2.5 for a while.
Janyce Henningson
29.11.2012
Yes mate, no problems at all...
Sorry for bad screenshot:
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p.s yes that is 2 Unlimited in deck a
Chun Douthat
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by Nicky H
4 decks with macro fx on is about 9% in task manager
So the PC is on 2.6 and the CPU load display of traktor remains in green (not talking about the task manager)
Janyce Henningson
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by Rudi-J
Good for you it improved with the new hardware....
Please do me a favour and check what happens to your TP2.6 CPU load control display when you raplid twist the knob/encoder adjusting loop length or if you rapidly press hot-cue buttons?
I've tried this and nothing...
My pc is a few years old now;
intel i5 2.8
8gig ram

4 decks with macro fx on is about 9% in task manager

macbook still on 2.5, haven't updated because of all the problems listed in here but pc seems ok
Chun Douthat
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by Scaper7
... but not on the new i7 system. 0-1% CPU load with Traktor sitting idle (FX on, Keylocks on) ... even with 2 tracks running, load is negligible (still only around 1% registering in task manager/performance tab, occasionally climbing to around 10% briefly, then back 0-1%).
Good for you it improved with the new hardware....
Please do me a favour and check what happens to your TP2.6 CPU load control display when you raplid twist the knob/encoder adjusting loop length or if you rapidly press hot-cue buttons?
Emanuel Kepics
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by GeekGod
What's really funny is NI wants me to prove this with a video. They do not believe their own customers. Apparently the developers in 'berlin' are really hard to get along with from the bits and pieces that I can gather from USA support and require 'proof' of issues. Silly.
Sucks we are caught in the middle but I cannot be bothered to 'prove' there is an issue with their software.
Doesn't surprise me one little bit. After two years as a NI customer I've learned not to waste my time with NI support. Acknowledging something might be wrong with a product is just not part of their brief. They have sent me on ridiculous wild goose chases, wasted my time and money to buy items they claimed would fix my problem but did nothing.

With regards CPU hogging, I've just bitten the bullet and bought a new quadcore i7 laptop (Win7) so I can just get on with using Traktor, despite CPU load issues. My Core2Duo was glitching occasionally with 2.5/2.6 but not on the new i7 system. 0-1% CPU load with Traktor sitting idle (FX on, Keylocks on) ... even with 2 tracks running, load is negligible (still only around 1% registering in task manager/performance tab, occasionally climbing to around 10% briefly, then back 0-1%).
Chun Douthat
03.12.2012


Toevening some wonder magic happened on my PC (ACER Aspire X3900)

I was booting with WLAN enabled to catch the latest MS WIN 7 64bit updates. It said "one important update" so I confirmed download and installation without further notice. I then started up Traktor to import, beat grid and set cue points for some new tracks....
When I suddenly noticed that the ERROR COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED: I was suddenly again able to twist the loop length encoder and move the loop (PLOOPING) without any hassles. CPU load in Traktor remained stable unchanged at about 20% No problems clicks or pops also when doing it on multiple decks at the same time using effects, beat juggle with cue point as far as I could etc. etc.
all now even with a setting of 256 sampling rate on the VCI-400SE with "low latency" setting resulting in 5.8ms processing and 2.0ms output (7.8ms overall) in TRAKTOR.

What happened?

I found out the last update I just installed was a
"Nvidia Graphics Adapter WDDM1.1, Graphics AdapterWDDM1.2' Other Hardware - NVIDIA GeForce GT 320"

Hence, In the device manager, a new Graphics card driver manager Dated 02.10.12, Version 9.18.13.697 from NVIDIA got installed.

If I disabled this driver again - the bug immediately returned.

A few days before I just deinstalled all NVIDIA stuff and downloaded and installed the latest drivers from their WEB site with no effect at all. Can't fully understand what actually happened here, but anyway.

So happy it got disappeared !

That's the way - aha aha - I like it !
Lisette Ruben
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by Nicky H
Haven't got it on my macbook yet but on Windows there's no difference.

Must be a Mountain Lion problem?
I've had some minor audio glitches and delay here lately with 2.6 on Windows. I'm probably going to switch back to 2.5 for a while.
Rosina Steinkuehler
29.11.2012
That would be my guess. I sent over screen shot "proof" that the problem exists and NI is now trying to get the programmers to understand there is an issue. The way I see it is a tug of war between support and the developer in berlin. For some strange reason I get the feeling the programmers have their head up their anus and don't want to believe anything support says.
Janyce Henningson
29.11.2012
Weird...
Even weirder that it affects some machines and not others..
Some mac, and some pc..

Has to be a Traktor bug surely?
Chun Douthat
29.11.2012
Just made another interesting observation:
Twisting loop length encoder will push up CPU load no matter what decks, but if deck c for instance is set to remix deck (and of course also when it is set to "live in") the CPU load remains stable. If the remix deck is thus loaded with 4 samples then the loop on deck c will play fine, can also be rapidly adjusted in length and position by encoders without clicks and pops and all this with CPU load in traktor display not exceeding 50%.

So the bug eats up CPU time only for track decks....
Chun Douthat
29.11.2012
Thanks for double checking Nicky,
I am now in contact with NI service - hope they have an idea (at first they wanted me to unload Macro FX and release the FX link to the decks, but this seems to have nothing to do with it)
Janyce Henningson
29.11.2012
Yes mate, no problems at all...
Sorry for bad screenshot:
ss.jpg

p.s yes that is 2 Unlimited in deck a
Chun Douthat
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by Nicky H
4 decks with macro fx on is about 9% in task manager
So the PC is on 2.6 and the CPU load display of traktor remains in green (not talking about the task manager)
Janyce Henningson
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by Rudi-J
Good for you it improved with the new hardware....
Please do me a favour and check what happens to your TP2.6 CPU load control display when you raplid twist the knob/encoder adjusting loop length or if you rapidly press hot-cue buttons?
I've tried this and nothing...
My pc is a few years old now;
intel i5 2.8
8gig ram

4 decks with macro fx on is about 9% in task manager

macbook still on 2.5, haven't updated because of all the problems listed in here but pc seems ok
Chun Douthat
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by Scaper7
... but not on the new i7 system. 0-1% CPU load with Traktor sitting idle (FX on, Keylocks on) ... even with 2 tracks running, load is negligible (still only around 1% registering in task manager/performance tab, occasionally climbing to around 10% briefly, then back 0-1%).
Good for you it improved with the new hardware....
Please do me a favour and check what happens to your TP2.6 CPU load control display when you raplid twist the knob/encoder adjusting loop length or if you rapidly press hot-cue buttons?
Emanuel Kepics
29.11.2012
Originally Posted by GeekGod
What's really funny is NI wants me to prove this with a video. They do not believe their own customers. Apparently the developers in 'berlin' are really hard to get along with from the bits and pieces that I can gather from USA support and require 'proof' of issues. Silly.
Sucks we are caught in the middle but I cannot be bothered to 'prove' there is an issue with their software.
Doesn't surprise me one little bit. After two years as a NI customer I've learned not to waste my time with NI support. Acknowledging something might be wrong with a product is just not part of their brief. They have sent me on ridiculous wild goose chases, wasted my time and money to buy items they claimed would fix my problem but did nothing.

With regards CPU hogging, I've just bitten the bullet and bought a new quadcore i7 laptop (Win7) so I can just get on with using Traktor, despite CPU load issues. My Core2Duo was glitching occasionally with 2.5/2.6 but not on the new i7 system. 0-1% CPU load with Traktor sitting idle (FX on, Keylocks on) ... even with 2 tracks running, load is negligible (still only around 1% registering in task manager/performance tab, occasionally climbing to around 10% briefly, then back 0-1%).
Meg Reinoehl
28.11.2012
@GeekGod... interesting you say that... because I've worked with developers before and they always ask for screenshots or screencasts of certain reported issues. In some cases it makes sense, because if you're making something happen it'll show in whatever workflow you're doing, but it's stupid/rude/disrespectful to ask for it as "proof" of it actually happening.
Rosina Steinkuehler
29.11.2012
Glad you where able to resolve your issues. I have a Core i7 Mac Book Pro that I completely formatted and reinstalled from the ground up. Out of the box the latency on Traktor is close to 50% with a FRESH INSTALL. Something is not right here.

EDIT: for kicks I performed the steps in the above article and it made the latency 500* worse.
Neville Blackinton
29.11.2012
I had a similar issue but my problem was the system and not Traktor.

This fixed my CPU spikes while idle and thus Traktor - http://www.rdoxenham.com/?p=259
Chun Douthat
28.11.2012
OK - in the meantime I calmed down and decided to go "the official way" first by issuing a ticket describing the issue.
I asked them to come back to me on the phone - let's see what happens next...
Rosina Steinkuehler
28.11.2012
Originally Posted by Rudi-J
Gonna approach them in German
maybe they feel it's more of an issue if they figure out there is a guy out there in the mood to kill somebody but within striking distance ...
Hah! Good luck!
Chun Douthat
28.11.2012
Gonna approach them in German
maybe they feel it's more of an issue if they figure out there is a guy out there in the mood to kill somebody but within striking distance ...
Rosina Steinkuehler
28.11.2012
What's really funny is NI wants me to prove this with a video. They do not believe their own customers. Apparently the developers in 'berlin' are really hard to get along with from the bits and pieces that I can gather from USA support and require 'proof' of issues. Silly.

Sucks we are caught in the middle but I cannot be bothered to 'prove' there is an issue with their software.
Chun Douthat
28.11.2012
I am struggeling with this in the same way (at least i believe so) on a Win 7 64bit with VCI-400SE (and with or without maschine, F1, BCR connected). The problem emerged unnoticed as i worked hard to complety my TSI in ther recent weeks. Have you guys encoders on your controllers that allow to adjust the loop length? To my expereience just rapidly twisting these encoders alone (even with no tracks loaded) lets the CPU load easily enter the red zone. Setting the ASIO sample rate to 4096 (!) avoids this issue but has of course unacceptabel other downsides...
First I thought it's caused by the VCI-400SE (new firmware and stuff), then i thought it was Win 7, some graphic card driver, some usbdriver bug issues etc. (analyzed my system with latency software, deinstalled/deactivated literally all unused stuff not mandatory for running traktor using latest dricers etc. etc. etc.) then i thought (referring to postings also listed elsewhere in the community s) on a MAC this is all no problem, but now I just learned otherwise, am totally confused, but more and more my "feelings" are also that the TP 2.6 update is the real cause for this mess nomatter if MAC or PC. I am really uncertain how to progress:

Going back to Wing XP 32?, Going back to TP 2.? (N.B. i read elsewhere that Win 8 is even more a mess when it comes to DCP latency...)

After many years of using Windows I would even be ready to switch to a MAC just if somebody would guarantee this would fix that dammed issue.

Will defenitely call NI now to get their advise...
Rosina Steinkuehler
25.11.2012
Ticked opened with NI. If anyone else is having these issues you should give them a call - they claim nobody has reported any CPU issues whatsoever.
Tonia Denor
23.11.2012
any updates on this? I am running over 100% cpu on idle 10.7.5 with 2.6 I dont know what to do, as soon as I open maschine it causes so much lag.
Bertie Metro
03.11.2012
On my 15'' 2006 1,83 core duo mbp w/ 2gb ram and osx 10.6.8 (yes i know, old...) i had glitches and pop and stuff at 41000 and 128 buffer. Then i rolled back the audio8 drivers, unchecked multicore. It was better, but still pop and crackles. So i went in and "disconnected" the audio inputs for deck 3 and 4, for the fx send, for the aux in, and put deck 3 and 4 in internal in the timecode options, rechecked the multicore option, and now it's fine, 2 decks and 4 fx bank, even with the new macro fx.

I believe that it was that traktor was waiting for some timecode input on decks 3 and 4, and so was using more cpu....maybe.
Ned Somerset
02.11.2012
Im not running mountain lion. Played 2.6 out last evening for about 3 and half hours. Not a single pop glitch crackle and cpu was running normal.
Leeanna Ayla
02.11.2012
I had issues the other day just out of the blue. I rolled the audio drivers back for my A10 and that solved it.
Rosita Jesch
02.11.2012
I am on 10.7.5 - not mountain lion.

But here's the bad part.

I just tried 2.5.1 as another user suggested - in the backup folder - and am still getting the CPU jumps in that program!

Fores
Armando Chrystal
30.10.2012
Originally Posted by trux
i'm on an older mbp running lion, haven't upgraded to mountain. traktor idles around 33% cpu, but i have noticed that simply putting the new macro fx into the fx slots is enough to make the cpu jump into the red.

it doesn't matter if the fx is being used or not, just having it in a slot is enough to get cpu spiking crazy

yup have the same problem once I unloaded the new FX cpu was fine again...the new FX slam my CPU meter
Fatimah Czuprynski
30.10.2012
oh okay thats s**ks of course. Maybe for the moment if you want to try the new effects you should put the latency up so the CPU doesn't jumps that much.
Rosina Steinkuehler
30.10.2012
Absolutely but in my case when the CPU jumps too much the audio cuts out which is not very appealing.
Fatimah Czuprynski
30.10.2012
Same here. But it was stable. i took the risk and played two and a half hours last sat. with it and i allowed the dj after me to use my mac. CPU was jumpin' all the time but traktor still was stable. thats the most important thing, isn't it?
Rosina Steinkuehler
30.10.2012
Originally Posted by NoizeuNit
wouldn't that mean it IS a ML issue?
Alberta Oberti
30.10.2012
Forgot to mention. I'm running Mountain Lion with latest updates on my Macbook Air 13". But I did a clean install after some other problems after the upgrade from Lion. Never had any problems since.
Ciara Cuttill
30.10.2012
dude i had huge spikes after the update myself and im on a windows (won't get a mac yet)
Kasandra Kreindler
30.10.2012
Originally Posted by GeekGod
I thought it originally was a ML problem but a friend of mine had identical issues and he has ML.
wouldn't that mean it IS a ML issue?
Rosina Steinkuehler
30.10.2012
I thought it originally was a ML problem but a friend of mine had identical issues and he has ML.

Back to the drawing board on the cause.... I might break down and just reinstall the entire machine to see if it helps.

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