How To Get A Fatter Wobble Sound in Live?

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How To Get A Fatter Wobble Sound in Live?
Posted on: 25.03.2011 by Gloria Lemmel
So I have a track all worked out, the basics are done, but when the drop hits, there's just not enough there. I'm using the simpler and a square wave that I've highly modified, but I just can't figure it out. Help?
Gloria Lemmel
26.03.2011
thanks!
Cammy Clegg
25.03.2011
Originally Posted by ctrld
simpler is not really the number one choice for wobbles, you know. get something like massive, albino, sylenth or maybe razor (it's barely out so I haven't tested it yet, but the demo sounds promising enough).

use more than one oscillator (detuning two or more oscillators against each other is a good thing to try) and more than one instance of your synth. you need to layer shit to get the phatness out. most of the filtered wobble movement takes place in a higher frequency range so just kill everything below, say, 160Hz (just a rough estimate, find your own treshold - it's different for each sound). then use another waveform (a simple sine makes sense) for the subbass only and play them together. sending super low frequencies through a filter doesn't make much sense, so try automating the volume of your subbass instead.

also, don't sidechain compress too much; instead, try working with EQs to give each sound its own spot in the frequency range. this will give you more intense dynamics.
Dude great info. Ive been wondering this.
Gloria Lemmel
25.03.2011
So I have a track all worked out, the basics are done, but when the drop hits, there's just not enough there. I'm using the simpler and a square wave that I've highly modified, but I just can't figure it out. Help?
Emilee Woytovich
27.03.2011
what has been said about spreading the sound and layering mulitple (and slightly detuned) oscillators/synths has been golden. It adds so much depth and beastiness to a bassline as compared to if it were a single weedy, uniform and concentrated synth.

I learnt a lot myself here, cheers for the info!
Teresia Janusch
27.03.2011
layering your synths is key to add beef
Random X
27.03.2011
Excellent info guys, thanks!
Gertrude Razzano
26.03.2011
It's all about frequency panning. A really good wobble keeps its low end in mono, but the mid frequencies are slightly panned outward and the highs panned even more. It has to fill the entire stereo field so that it surrounds the listener instead of being focused on a single point. Brostep tracks take advantage of the fact that the wobble is really the only thing going on to make that wobble stupidly powerful; if it's only dead center then the mix will sound empty. Some plugins can do this in a streamlined way, but the classic method is to route the original bassline to several different audio tracks and filter each one so each has its own frequency range and stereo placement. At that point, you can process each band with its own fx.
Marnie Foye
26.03.2011
As already mentioned, part of the trick is having a great synth like Massive and layering it. However, I have found that sometimes even that isn't enough. It still doesn't give you that overpowering boom that just feels completely overdone.

That's why I'd suggest finding a high quality multi-band distortion/overdrive plugin. Ohmicide and Izotope Trash are two great examples. If that's too complicated, sometimes you just need a tube amp plugin.
Verona Fashbaugh
26.03.2011
The right (or wrong) EQing can really bring out dimension in your sound, too.
Andree Ganas
26.03.2011
you bet. I just realized another plugin is needed for the second to last link. Find it here:

http://www.camelaudio.com/camelcrusher.php
Gloria Lemmel
26.03.2011
thanks!
Andree Ganas
27.03.2011
check this out:

http://blog.dubspot.com/video-tutori...-ableton-live/

and

http://primeloops.musicradar.com/pro...p-wobble-bass/

and possibly:


http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/te...260013#content

plugin used:

http://rekkerd.org/patches/plug-in/zebracm/
Cammy Clegg
25.03.2011
Originally Posted by ctrld
simpler is not really the number one choice for wobbles, you know. get something like massive, albino, sylenth or maybe razor (it's barely out so I haven't tested it yet, but the demo sounds promising enough).

use more than one oscillator (detuning two or more oscillators against each other is a good thing to try) and more than one instance of your synth. you need to layer shit to get the phatness out. most of the filtered wobble movement takes place in a higher frequency range so just kill everything below, say, 160Hz (just a rough estimate, find your own treshold - it's different for each sound). then use another waveform (a simple sine makes sense) for the subbass only and play them together. sending super low frequencies through a filter doesn't make much sense, so try automating the volume of your subbass instead.

also, don't sidechain compress too much; instead, try working with EQs to give each sound its own spot in the frequency range. this will give you more intense dynamics.
Dude great info. Ive been wondering this.

25.03.2011
simpler is not really the number one choice for wobbles, you know. get something like massive, albino, sylenth or maybe razor (it's barely out so I haven't tested it yet, but the demo sounds promising enough).

use more than one oscillator (detuning two or more oscillators against each other is a good thing to try) and more than one instance of your synth. you need to layer shit to get the phatness out. most of the filtered wobble movement takes place in a higher frequency range so just kill everything below, say, 160Hz (just a rough estimate, find your own treshold - it's different for each sound). then use another waveform (a simple sine makes sense) for the subbass only and play them together. sending super low frequencies through a filter doesn't make much sense, so try automating the volume of your subbass instead.

also, don't sidechain compress too much; instead, try working with EQs to give each sound its own spot in the frequency range. this will give you more intense dynamics.

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