Maschine or Reason 6?
Maschine or Reason 6? Posted on: 26.03.2012 by Arnette Schmieg Hey guys!its my birthday coming up this weekend and i have some extra b-day money to burn on some VERy needed things! I am posting this to get some ppls opinions on what i should buy...for starters, i come from a DJ background, and would like to get into production. ive messed around to a certain extent with Reason 5's DAW, and love it. My question is, would i be going a round about way to creating/producing music if i purchase a Maschine first instead of a DAW? the reason why i say this is, i know that you can use reasons kong as a MPC drum pad, and redrum as a drum sequencer, which is basically what maschine or a mcp does. why would somebody purchase a maschine instead of a DAW with an akai mini pad and keyboard? can somebody please explain to me why maschine seems more intuitive for me when im watching youtube videos over reason DAW videos? i guess im more of a remixer than an original producer...does this have something to do with it? thanks for all the help and opinions guys! dun know what i would do without this community !! cheers! | |
| Tessie Grether 28.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Arnette Schmieg 28.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by lattridge
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| Dorie Scelzo 28.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by Gre3nergy
ReWire is a specific technology that Propellerheads released. Neither Maschine nor Itch support it. |
| Tessie Grether 28.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
I collaborate with a friend using cubase, and while we still get to make good tracks, it feels like it takes so much longer to achieve anything. |
| Dorie Scelzo 29.03.2012 | I'm aware, just didn't want him badmouthing another product because he didn't understand it. |
| Tessie Grether 28.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
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| Arnette Schmieg 28.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by lattridge
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| Signe Bowlding 28.03.2012 | Did you know that there is 3rd party software that allows you to fully control reason in every way? Thought you might be interested http://www.retouchcontrol.com/site_page.aspx?pageid=45 |
| Dorie Scelzo 28.03.2012 | Traktor doesn't support ReWire either. AFAIK, no DJ software does. |
| Arnette Schmieg 29.03.2012 | BIGGEST FAIL ON MY PART........JUMPING ON A DEAL FOR THAT FUCKING DX!!!!!!!!! SHOULD HAVE SAVED A LITTLE MORE AND BOUGHT A S4..........FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!! thnx for all input guys...also, if anyone wants this POS dx, ima sell it for hella cheap, im over this fukking thing! PM ME! |
| Dorie Scelzo 28.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by Gre3nergy
ReWire is a specific technology that Propellerheads released. Neither Maschine nor Itch support it. |
| Arnette Schmieg 28.03.2012 | WOW! i really didn't expect a full on debate from my post, but i truly appreciate all the input and peoples opinions about the various DAWS out there. Just to throw my 2Cents...i have used ableton, just the trial version though (8.2.2) and i do like it alot...the reason why i am leaning towards propellerheads is purely due to the fact that i am very much a "newb" in the production game and love the "rack setup" in terms of how you can re-wire your rack in an extremely visually pleasing way! it allows me to understand where/what is affecting my signal O/I with the various racks/synths and just makes the most sense to me in terms of work flow...for now...i strongly recommend this DAW for anyone who is just starting and dosent want to get overwhelmed with all the various options and plugins that come with an "open DAW". Ultimatly, i want to get a open VST DAW like ableton or Protools in the future, but for now, i just want to make some weird noises maybe some dubby wub wubs and have some fun doing remixes...ill get into the more serious time demanding shit later...for now i just want to have fun! after all, that's why we are all here right?! going with da MASCHINE!!! plus i can use this with my XONE DX right??? can u "rewire" maschine to be used with serato itch?! |
| Dorie Scelzo 28.03.2012 | I loved it for DJing (despite how much effort it took), but I feel confident that I know Live well enough to make that choice for production. It's effects are good, bus so are everyone else's. I'll admit my workflow is weird, but……at this point, I sequence and host synths in Maschine and mix audio in Logic. I can't wait to be able to afford to go back to Pro Tools. Avid is annoying to deal with, but I love PT. |
| Tessie Grether 28.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
I collaborate with a friend using cubase, and while we still get to make good tracks, it feels like it takes so much longer to achieve anything. |
| Dorie Scelzo 27.03.2012 | See, that's probably why you should caveat your recommendation against cubase. I can't stand Live for ITB. I hate the workflow. The mixer sucks. It takes forever to find plugins. The internal and 3rd party plugins aren't even on the same pane. And working with presets is weirder than anything else. I understand Logic as a cheaper alternative, but I can't understand why anyone would choose Ableton Live over Pro Tools, especially now that you don't have to use Avid hardware if you don't want to. And I really can't figure out why anyone would choose Cubase over anything……it's just so weird. |
| Georgina Schatzman 27.03.2012 | I have used Reason, around 2003 through 2005, and I understand all the audio routing options I still find it clumsy and cumbersome to use. When some one showed me Ableton (Version 4 or 5 I believe) it just worked for me. Simple as that. Pretty streamlined and straight forward, but it has enough depth that it will grow with you. Now, I wouldn't recommend it for recording per se, Pro Tools and Cubase are far superior for that. But if you doing everything in the box then I don't believe there's a better option at the moment. |
| Dorie Scelzo 27.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
I advise new people against it because you can't use plugins……but, honestly, if you like the workflow you like the workflow. I wouldn't choose it over Pro Tools or Logic, but I'd choose it over Ableton. |
| Georgina Schatzman 27.03.2012 | I was using Ableton as an example, could have easily exchanged it with Logic. Now, if you've already started out with Reason and have been using it over the years that I can understand, but to try and learn it now with Ableton, Logic and even Cubase out there just doesn't make any sense. Far more efficient software to use out there now a days. |
| Signe Bowlding 27.03.2012 | Are you two completely retarded? People do not just use ableton. I started with reason and then progressed on to logic. However i still wanted to use thaw as its a great synth. I use reason to compliment my productions and by using rewire its like one giant vst. Maybe if you both were not so ignorant you would realise what you were saying is complete bullshit, instead of trying to throw ableton down the poor lads throat. Not once does he mention ableton on his purchase list. |
| Tessie Grether 26.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
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| Georgina Schatzman 26.03.2012 | Are you guys not looking at what you're typing? You both saying that you have to run Reason into Ableton or Logic in order to run VSTs in Reason. Seems very redundant to run Reason into Ableton/Logic/Cubase to run VSTs when you can just use Ableton/Logic/Cubase as your host DAW. |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 26.03.2012 |
I honestly would invest in the Maschine at the moment, and then later down the road look into Ableton. The only reason I would say not to get Reason is because you can't run third party VSTs in it (Unless they changed that recently). So once you get reason, you're pretty much stuck with it.
Press release during the week explained pretty fully the new rack-extensions which third party developers like sugar bytes / korg etc are already creating .. Looks like Rack Extensions will be the way forward its a VERY apple like ecosystem + "App store" for extensions which are all vetted prior to release by props. As it stands you can rewire into Ableton to gain VST support but in a few months you'll not need to, no doubt NI and the rest of the Big Boys will probably bring the likes of Massive as a Really logically laid out (and really configurable) extension set rather than a completely un-uniform mish mash of VST's Found it skip to around 15.30min mark |
| Signe Bowlding 26.03.2012 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
I have reason rewired into logic and use maschine as an au instrument. So to say not to buy reason as you would be stuck with it is not exactly correct. Personally, i would invest in maschine first as you say you have already got your head around reason. Also, as suggested above it may be benificial to invest in a daw that can run third party plug ins. That way you can sequence them all, inc. reason. Have you thought about maschine micro? |
| Georgina Schatzman 27.03.2012 | I honestly would invest in the Maschine at the moment, and then later down the road look into Ableton. The only reason I would say not to get Reason is because you can't run third party VSTs in it (Unless they changed that recently). So once you get reason, you're pretty much stuck with it. By purchasing the Maschine now and then Ableton later you can still use the Maschine in Ableton. Actually, you should get Ableton FIRST I would say, and then get the Maschine afterwards. |
| Dorie Scelzo 27.03.2012 | The reason to purchase Maschine over some random pad controller to use with another drum machine is that the software is actually pretty powerful and very straightforward. It's a step towards the groove box thing that's a lot cheaper than going all hardware and can do more than Kong by itself. It's more comparable to Reason than to Kong, though it has limitations based on being entirely groove based. Only you can figure out whether you're going to like it or not, and the videos help a lot. If you love Reason, then just get Reason. It sounds good and is very powerful. And with the recently announced rack extensions, it's probably just going to get better. |
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