Energy

Energy
Posted on: 27.07.2012 by Kasi Marget
Hey,

School year is over, and recently I had a ton of spare time so I worked alot on production.
I've been trying to craft stuff for few months, and I keep learning.

Even though a lot of progress has to be made overall (and especially on percussions) there is ONE thing I never manage to create, and I wasn't able to find any tutorial or stuff about it, hence the topic.

How do you bring energy in your tracks ? How do you manage to create that thing that makes your head move ?

I'm trying to produce dubstep/brostep (whatever) and even through I manage to pull out some cool loops, it sounds like music you only listen to, and not you dance to. What am I missing, what's the secret ingredient that makes you want to headbang so hard that your neck ache the day after.
Lauretta Loonam
22.08.2012
Originally Posted by vpech013
hey im very interested by your point about negative space. Is there any particular reggae songs you recommend? Maybe you can elaborate a little more on the topic?
Hmm practically any reggae song, I donno try Easy Skankin by Bob Marley. What you wanna do is separate the sounds that you're listening to. Try following the bass line first. Notice how much space between the notes. Now follow the guitar chaks, same thing. The keyboard parts are also extremely sparse. You come to realize the "groove" of the song is passed from one instrument to the next and back, with tons of space (aka: rests) in between the notes. Music is about dynamics of course so if you want something to seem really loud, you have to start with quiet first. A simple jedi mind trick for this is to remove the bassdrum for a bar and bring it back. Notice how much of a lift you got from bringing back in what was missing? A whole lot more than just ramming layers on the top.
Garfield Bangle
21.08.2012
Originally Posted by RockingClub
?? Nothing wrong with that
I assume he's talking about generally giving the song a high-cut at around 19-20 khz, a general low-cut at around 30-40 Hz plus individual low cuts on instruments depending on their main frequency range. So on strings you will want to cut everything beneath 100Hz or more for example.
This all might reduce mud and rumble but I don't believe it will really enhance your songs energy if there was a lack.
yeah, as long as you make sure you only cut the rumbles and not the important freq.

other people have already mentioned good suggestions about energy and my post were more about how not to lose them when you have so much going on
Zulma Ramji
20.08.2012
Originally Posted by ModularJack
You actually will get more "lift" by removing the bass drum and/or bassline for a few bars and then bringing back than an over the top snare roll or stacking layer upon layer on top hoping to build some big energy. Negative space (aka: quiet and silent parts) is absolutely the most important and under-utilized element of music writing nowadays. Listen to reggae and you will see what I mean. There are big gaps between the hits, the bass notes, the offbeats, etc. And that is some seriously groovey stuff. Too much dubstep is wall to wall flatlined noise, hence it lacks groove. Use rests and don't let your 4 bar loop to play more than twice... 15-20 years ago that was how it was done, nowadays you will put people to sleep.
hey im very interested by your point about negative space. Is there any particular reggae songs you recommend? Maybe you can elaborate a little more on the topic?
Sylvia Greener
20.08.2012
Originally Posted by AllDay
You are just joking right?
?? Nothing wrong with that
I assume he's talking about generally giving the song a high-cut at around 19-20 khz, a general low-cut at around 30-40 Hz plus individual low cuts on instruments depending on their main frequency range. So on strings you will want to cut everything beneath 100Hz or more for example.
This all might reduce mud and rumble but I don't believe it will really enhance your songs energy if there was a lack.
Tera Baragan
19.08.2012
Originally Posted by lolski
sometimes when you add too much you started to lose the energy as the sounds are clashing. solution is to clean the mix a bit by doing some quick mixing: high pass everything except drums and bass, remove unneeded frequencies from instruments, etc

you'll feel more energy when it's not all mud and rumble

You are just joking right?
Sylvia Greener
18.08.2012
Originally Posted by AllDay
LOLwhat?
Tera Baragan
18.08.2012
Originally Posted by Barnesor
Hey,

Quite obvious equal energy level maintenance through out the music note is the prime requisite. Drum and base add up to this energy level. At the same time it is required from the person too playing the notes.
LOLwhat?
Zulma Ramji
05.09.2012
hey guys, ive been experimenting a lot with energy after reading this topic. check out what i came up with (second part of the song is more groovy i believe). What comments do you have?
http://soundcloud.com/vitaly-pecherskiy/blob-mess-rough
Lauretta Loonam
22.08.2012
Originally Posted by vpech013
hey im very interested by your point about negative space. Is there any particular reggae songs you recommend? Maybe you can elaborate a little more on the topic?
Hmm practically any reggae song, I donno try Easy Skankin by Bob Marley. What you wanna do is separate the sounds that you're listening to. Try following the bass line first. Notice how much space between the notes. Now follow the guitar chaks, same thing. The keyboard parts are also extremely sparse. You come to realize the "groove" of the song is passed from one instrument to the next and back, with tons of space (aka: rests) in between the notes. Music is about dynamics of course so if you want something to seem really loud, you have to start with quiet first. A simple jedi mind trick for this is to remove the bassdrum for a bar and bring it back. Notice how much of a lift you got from bringing back in what was missing? A whole lot more than just ramming layers on the top.
Sylvia Greener
20.08.2012
Alright
Garfield Bangle
21.08.2012
Originally Posted by RockingClub
?? Nothing wrong with that
I assume he's talking about generally giving the song a high-cut at around 19-20 khz, a general low-cut at around 30-40 Hz plus individual low cuts on instruments depending on their main frequency range. So on strings you will want to cut everything beneath 100Hz or more for example.
This all might reduce mud and rumble but I don't believe it will really enhance your songs energy if there was a lack.
yeah, as long as you make sure you only cut the rumbles and not the important freq.

other people have already mentioned good suggestions about energy and my post were more about how not to lose them when you have so much going on
Zulma Ramji
20.08.2012
Originally Posted by ModularJack
You actually will get more "lift" by removing the bass drum and/or bassline for a few bars and then bringing back than an over the top snare roll or stacking layer upon layer on top hoping to build some big energy. Negative space (aka: quiet and silent parts) is absolutely the most important and under-utilized element of music writing nowadays. Listen to reggae and you will see what I mean. There are big gaps between the hits, the bass notes, the offbeats, etc. And that is some seriously groovey stuff. Too much dubstep is wall to wall flatlined noise, hence it lacks groove. Use rests and don't let your 4 bar loop to play more than twice... 15-20 years ago that was how it was done, nowadays you will put people to sleep.
hey im very interested by your point about negative space. Is there any particular reggae songs you recommend? Maybe you can elaborate a little more on the topic?
Sylvia Greener
20.08.2012
Originally Posted by AllDay
You are just joking right?
?? Nothing wrong with that
I assume he's talking about generally giving the song a high-cut at around 19-20 khz, a general low-cut at around 30-40 Hz plus individual low cuts on instruments depending on their main frequency range. So on strings you will want to cut everything beneath 100Hz or more for example.
This all might reduce mud and rumble but I don't believe it will really enhance your songs energy if there was a lack.
Tera Baragan
19.08.2012
Originally Posted by lolski
sometimes when you add too much you started to lose the energy as the sounds are clashing. solution is to clean the mix a bit by doing some quick mixing: high pass everything except drums and bass, remove unneeded frequencies from instruments, etc

you'll feel more energy when it's not all mud and rumble

You are just joking right?
Garfield Bangle
18.08.2012
sometimes when you add too much you started to lose the energy as the sounds are clashing. solution is to clean the mix a bit by doing some quick mixing: high pass everything except drums and bass, remove unneeded frequencies from instruments, etc

you'll feel more energy when it's not all mud and rumble
Sylvia Greener
18.08.2012
Originally Posted by AllDay
LOLwhat?
Tera Baragan
18.08.2012
Originally Posted by Barnesor
Hey,

Quite obvious equal energy level maintenance through out the music note is the prime requisite. Drum and base add up to this energy level. At the same time it is required from the person too playing the notes.
LOLwhat?
Cole Pantzer
18.08.2012
Hey,

Quite obvious equal energy level maintenance through out the music note is the prime requisite. Drum and base add up to this energy level. At the same time it is required from the person too playing the notes.
Lauretta Loonam
17.08.2012
You actually will get more "lift" by removing the bass drum and/or bassline for a few bars and then bringing back than an over the top snare roll or stacking layer upon layer on top hoping to build some big energy. Negative space (aka: quiet and silent parts) is absolutely the most important and under-utilized element of music writing nowadays. Listen to reggae and you will see what I mean. There are big gaps between the hits, the bass notes, the offbeats, etc. And that is some seriously groovey stuff. Too much dubstep is wall to wall flatlined noise, hence it lacks groove. Use rests and don't let your 4 bar loop to play more than twice... 15-20 years ago that was how it was done, nowadays you will put people to sleep.
Celine Surico
11.08.2012
If the drums and bass does not move the dancer, something is seriously wrong with the track.
Alyse Plantenga
11.08.2012
I like to believe of energy in a song (in terms of freq) to be around 1-3khz ie the main part of vocals. The power of the mix comes from the lowend, 250Hz and down. The presence, clarity and 'expensiveness' comes from about 6Khz and up while the low mid stuff in the 300-800hz range is what can either destroy or make a mix, it contains certain tones and spatial elements that help in defining the instruments around it. Then it also comes to what others were talking about above in terms of the songwriting itself.
Evelin Merworth
11.08.2012
Sidechain everything
Phung Furfari
07.08.2012
This is about a number of things, drum groove, dynamics, captivating melody, sometimes increasing complexity and those little musical moments that make you hair stand up on your forearms. This is one of the most esoteric aspects of music and a life long challenge for many.

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Georgianna Eurick
07.08.2012
Originally Posted by liam1895
My top tip I can give to you aswell is make sure that your not believeing your track ain't bouncing when its not. I made the mistake so much of believeing all my tracks were rubbish when I first made them because I had heard everything 100 times in a day so get a fresh pair of ears listening and get them to help you out in some area's, this doesn't even have to be someone with musical talent.
This happens a lot to me lately. My solution is to take a breakday and listen with my own fresh pair of ears.
Arline Receveur
07.08.2012
Originally Posted by Zac Kyoti
Energy is all about push and pull at different strata of the track. Tension and release. Lack of dynamism equals boredom equals lack of dancing and head banging. So... where does the dynamism happen? Lots of places:

Volume levels - differences in parts of the track, between instruments, and even within the riffs of a single instrument.
Negative space - this is huge. Really it's a rhythmic component. Silence bangs as hard as the baddest bass when used right. The drop in a track is a typical example. More subtle creates tons of suspense and energy.
Harmonic relationships - Music theory is good. The energy you get from tension and release between frequencies is pretty much the fundamental core of music, along with percussion. This goes for frequencies that are closer to one another, like melody, as well as contrast between ranges, ie bass/body frequencies and high/head frequencies.
The Rhythm - Change it up!! Static rhythms put people to sleep. Vary those patterns at the end of 4, 8, 16 bars (turnaround/fill). Change the whole pattern, and all the instruments, in different sections. Human beings respond to drums on a deep, subconscious level.
Groove - the swing, shuffle and location of "the pocket" inside the rhythm is where the real head-bobbin' comes in. Hard to describe, but so important. Lots of EDM producers are guilty of making completely grid-locked, quantized music with no groove. But hey, that's a valid exploration too.

Just my 2 cents. If I had to sum it up in a phrase, it'd be "Contrast and Variation"
What this guy said.

Make sure your stuff isnt repetitive and you throw in a few rises or offbeat percussion which brings the user enticed to the track. Try to get your percussion right aswell, it can make all the difference.

Layering sounds can be really helpful in making a tune that gets the user feeling like they are attached to it.

My top tip I can give to you aswell is make sure that your not believeing your track ain't bouncing when its not. I made the mistake so much of believeing all my tracks were rubbish when I first made them because I had heard everything 100 times in a day so get a fresh pair of ears listening and get them to help you out in some area's, this doesn't even have to be someone with musical talent.
Celestine Porebski
02.08.2012
Originally Posted by Zac Kyoti
Groove - the swing, shuffle and location of "the pocket" inside the rhythm is where the real head-bobbin' comes in. Hard to describe, but so important. Lots of EDM producers are guilty of making completely grid-locked, quantized music with no groove. But hey, that's a valid exploration too.
I'm not entirely sure that groove only comes from the programming and the tiny variation in the placement of individual hits. At least it's not the only important factor, sound design also plays quite a role to make things groovy. It's an observation I made when playing around with my Electribe on which the swing setting only influences the even steps - which are not even used in a stereo-typical 4tothefloor-beat. It's incredible how much influence sound design has on the perception of grooviness. (I believe the magic somehow lies in the correlation between the snare sound and the hat sound)
Kasi Marget
02.08.2012
Thank you
Reece Murray
01.08.2012
Energy is all about push and pull at different strata of the track. Tension and release. Lack of dynamism equals boredom equals lack of dancing and head banging. So... where does the dynamism happen? Lots of places:

Volume levels - differences in parts of the track, between instruments, and even within the riffs of a single instrument.
Negative space - this is huge. Really it's a rhythmic component. Silence bangs as hard as the baddest bass when used right. The drop in a track is a typical example. More subtle creates tons of suspense and energy.
Harmonic relationships - Music theory is good. The energy you get from tension and release between frequencies is pretty much the fundamental core of music, along with percussion. This goes for frequencies that are closer to one another, like melody, as well as contrast between ranges, ie bass/body frequencies and high/head frequencies.
The Rhythm - Change it up!! Static rhythms put people to sleep. Vary those patterns at the end of 4, 8, 16 bars (turnaround/fill). Change the whole pattern, and all the instruments, in different sections. Human beings respond to drums on a deep, subconscious level.
Groove - the swing, shuffle and location of "the pocket" inside the rhythm is where the real head-bobbin' comes in. Hard to describe, but so important. Lots of EDM producers are guilty of making completely grid-locked, quantized music with no groove. But hey, that's a valid exploration too.

Just my 2 cents. If I had to sum it up in a phrase, it'd be "Contrast and Variation"
Yukiko Beauvil
29.07.2012
Level riding.
Maricruz Mouw
29.07.2012
bass and drum groove= energy

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