Finding Analog Equipment Tricky Is it just me or is producing with analog gear
quite tricky? I'm trying to write a bassline with my Sub Phatty and I'm finding it it difficult to get the timing on point with my kick. I can't just highlight and quantize the notes I play. I actually have to do take after take of recording to get it right, and I still haven't gotten it right. |
Syreeta Piela
26.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk
Welcome to the oldskool! Thats how we did it lol. or at least we would of sent midi from the computer to the synth and audio back into the computer.
The other way you could do it is to record your take, say an 8 bar take, and make adjustments to that and just loop it in your daw
This exactly.
The sound and grit of analogue gear with the fast workflow of a digital DAW. Playing something over and over again is a frustrating waste of time, and an un-quantized bass can sound nasty |
Cindie Somoza
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
You need to experience some BC raves or something dude. They are one in the same completely. People playing guitars over someone playing a synth all while spinning a beat in the background.
art vs science (australian band) are a great example of live hard synths mixed with guitar and drums.
|
Tera Baragan
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Recording a band and capturing a performance is way different from writing a dance track.
You need to experience some BC raves or something dude. They are one in the same completely. People playing guitars over someone playing a synth all while spinning a beat in the background. |
Cindie Somoza
23.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Recording a band and capturing a performance is way different from writing a dance track.
I don't agree with this statement, but I could understand it, if the OP was talking about sitting at a computer with his mouse, clicking and clicking, but he's talking about an Analog instrument, so I really don't believe their is much of a difference, infact, I don't believe there is any difference at all. |
Cindie Somoza
22.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Never said to eliminate them completely, but if you happen to miss one note and yet the whole performance besides that is solid, why waste it then?
Originally Posted by AllDay
Talking to people who get paid to produce songs for other people on gearslutz. Every single one of them says recordall your main sounds, if its not right, do a retake. Once you go in and edit the arrangement it will sound more grid like.
This is something that was covered in Sound City (the dave grohl doco) which was one of the parts of the film that I actually agreed with, they talked about the introduction of digital and programs like Pro Tools into studios, and how you could just pick the 'best' bit from that take and the 'best' bit from that take, and actually mash it all together. They felt like it was cheating, as they would just record a straight take, over and over and over again, and the one they liked the 'best' made the cut, and more often than not, it was the first one, the one with the most raw power, the one with the most honesty.
This is my outlook when using any instrument, digital or analog, don't take shortcuts. |
Tera Baragan
22.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Never said to eliminate them completely, but if you happen to miss one note and yet the whole performance besides that is solid, why waste it then?
Talking to people who get paid to produce songs for other people on gearslutz. Every single one of them says recordall your main sounds, if its not right, do a retake. Once you go in and edit the arrangement it will sound more grid like. |
Georgina Schatzman
22.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Ham
I just view it as a cop out, mistakes are the greatest thing in music, why eliminate them?
Never said to eliminate them completely, but if you happen to miss one note and yet the whole performance besides that is solid, why waste it then? |
Cindie Somoza
22.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Why no? Maybe he doesn't want to be a pianist, but he still has the chops to get down his ideas recorded? If he was planning to play live then yeah, obviously he would have to practice, but he's just trying to capture ideas and and create music, not be a performer.
I believe Chriswoods has the right idea as that's exactly what I do. Just bang out some basslines, hooks, chords, and then go back and adjust to taste. Not sating you should lock them to the grid, but just go back fix any glaring mistakes.
I just view it as a cop out, mistakes are the greatest thing in music, why eliminate them? |
Georgina Schatzman
21.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Ham
No
Why no? Maybe he doesn't want to be a pianist, but he still has the chops to get down his ideas recorded? If he was planning to play live then yeah, obviously he would have to practice, but he's just trying to capture ideas and and create music, not be a performer.
I believe Chriswoods has the right idea as that's exactly what I do. Just bang out some basslines, hooks, chords, and then go back and adjust to taste. Not sating you should lock them to the grid, but just go back fix any glaring mistakes. |
Cindie Somoza
21.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk
The other way you could do it is to record your take, say an 8 bar take, and make adjustments to that and just loop it in your daw
No
Originally Posted by Tarekith
Yes, it's kind of weird having to practice until you can play your instruments huh?
Originally Posted by jackastro
Don't try to get it too "perfect". Make your playing fit a groove, not a grid!
Yes
Practice my man. |
Laurinda Benya
18.06.2013 | Is it just me or is producing with analog gear
quite tricky? I'm trying to write a bassline with my Sub Phatty and I'm finding it it difficult to get the timing on point with my kick. I can't just highlight and quantize the notes I play. I actually have to do take after take of recording to get it right, and I still haven't gotten it right. |
Syreeta Piela
26.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk
Welcome to the oldskool! Thats how we did it lol. or at least we would of sent midi from the computer to the synth and audio back into the computer.
The other way you could do it is to record your take, say an 8 bar take, and make adjustments to that and just loop it in your daw
This exactly.
The sound and grit of analogue gear with the fast workflow of a digital DAW. Playing something over and over again is a frustrating waste of time, and an un-quantized bass can sound nasty |
Laurinda Benya
25.06.2013 | So I just figured out about Logic Pro's "comping" when recording live instruments. What an awesome feature. I can do 3-4 takes and take the best of each part and integrate it into a single seamless audio region. |
Cindie Somoza
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by AllDay
You need to experience some BC raves or something dude. They are one in the same completely. People playing guitars over someone playing a synth all while spinning a beat in the background.
art vs science (australian band) are a great example of live hard synths mixed with guitar and drums.
|
Tera Baragan
24.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Recording a band and capturing a performance is way different from writing a dance track.
You need to experience some BC raves or something dude. They are one in the same completely. People playing guitars over someone playing a synth all while spinning a beat in the background. |
Cindie Somoza
23.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Recording a band and capturing a performance is way different from writing a dance track.
I don't agree with this statement, but I could understand it, if the OP was talking about sitting at a computer with his mouse, clicking and clicking, but he's talking about an Analog instrument, so I really don't believe their is much of a difference, infact, I don't believe there is any difference at all. |
Georgina Schatzman
23.06.2013 | Recording a band and capturing a performance is way different from writing a dance track. |
Cindie Somoza
22.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Never said to eliminate them completely, but if you happen to miss one note and yet the whole performance besides that is solid, why waste it then?
Originally Posted by AllDay
Talking to people who get paid to produce songs for other people on gearslutz. Every single one of them says recordall your main sounds, if its not right, do a retake. Once you go in and edit the arrangement it will sound more grid like.
This is something that was covered in Sound City (the dave grohl doco) which was one of the parts of the film that I actually agreed with, they talked about the introduction of digital and programs like Pro Tools into studios, and how you could just pick the 'best' bit from that take and the 'best' bit from that take, and actually mash it all together. They felt like it was cheating, as they would just record a straight take, over and over and over again, and the one they liked the 'best' made the cut, and more often than not, it was the first one, the one with the most raw power, the one with the most honesty.
This is my outlook when using any instrument, digital or analog, don't take shortcuts. |
Tera Baragan
22.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Never said to eliminate them completely, but if you happen to miss one note and yet the whole performance besides that is solid, why waste it then?
Talking to people who get paid to produce songs for other people on gearslutz. Every single one of them says recordall your main sounds, if its not right, do a retake. Once you go in and edit the arrangement it will sound more grid like. |
Georgina Schatzman
22.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Ham
I just view it as a cop out, mistakes are the greatest thing in music, why eliminate them?
Never said to eliminate them completely, but if you happen to miss one note and yet the whole performance besides that is solid, why waste it then? |
Cindie Somoza
22.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by JasonBay
Why no? Maybe he doesn't want to be a pianist, but he still has the chops to get down his ideas recorded? If he was planning to play live then yeah, obviously he would have to practice, but he's just trying to capture ideas and and create music, not be a performer.
I believe Chriswoods has the right idea as that's exactly what I do. Just bang out some basslines, hooks, chords, and then go back and adjust to taste. Not sating you should lock them to the grid, but just go back fix any glaring mistakes.
I just view it as a cop out, mistakes are the greatest thing in music, why eliminate them? |
Georgina Schatzman
21.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by Ham
No
Why no? Maybe he doesn't want to be a pianist, but he still has the chops to get down his ideas recorded? If he was planning to play live then yeah, obviously he would have to practice, but he's just trying to capture ideas and and create music, not be a performer.
I believe Chriswoods has the right idea as that's exactly what I do. Just bang out some basslines, hooks, chords, and then go back and adjust to taste. Not sating you should lock them to the grid, but just go back fix any glaring mistakes. |
Cindie Somoza
21.06.2013 |
Originally Posted by djchriswoods.co.uk
The other way you could do it is to record your take, say an 8 bar take, and make adjustments to that and just loop it in your daw
No
Originally Posted by Tarekith
Yes, it's kind of weird having to practice until you can play your instruments huh?
Originally Posted by jackastro
Don't try to get it too "perfect". Make your playing fit a groove, not a grid!
Yes
Practice my man. |
Pauletta Place
19.06.2013 | Don't try to get it too "perfect". Make your playing fit a groove, not a grid! |
Gaynell Rydberg
18.06.2013 | I now no longer want analog gear
. :P |
Monserrate Rupnow
18.06.2013 | Yes, it's kind of weird having to practice until you can play your instruments huh? |
Teresia Janusch
18.06.2013 | Welcome to the oldskool! Thats how we did it lol. or at least we would of sent midi from the computer to the synth and audio back into the computer.
The other way you could do it is to record your take, say an 8 bar take, and make adjustments to that and just loop it in your daw |
