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Did I make a mistake buying the VCI-100SE?
Posted on: 04.11.2009 by Cathie Sochacki
I just got delivery of my VCI-100SE and I've just started playing about with it.

Unfortunately I'm a little disappointed, I believe I may have jumped the gun. I know the SE is a fantastic unit, but I'm believeing maybe I just should have got the standard VCI-100 instead. I had an M-Audio Torq Xponent before and this is quite a bit different. I had briefly used a standard VCI-100 and really liked it, it was quite familiar and worked great, but the small differences in the SE I believe might be wasted on me.

Looking at the two overlays:
http://www.djranking s.com/wp-conten...100_eg_ver.jpg
http://www.telefonica.net/web2/compu...VCI100%202.jpg

Using it there are a few things I don't like about it really. I'm just not sure if these are things I will just get used to or if really I should have got the normal vci-100 instead.

Anyone in the same boat? Any advice for me?
Right now if I could swap for a normal vci I would!
Thanks
Anabel Madeira
13.11.2009
Originally Posted by colly
Hmm, I have Traktor Pro 1.2.1 and I tried the driver for 1.2 and it did not work at all, however 1.12 does work. Any ideas?
When you say you tried the driver, do you mean you tried the .tsi mapping file that is posted on the site? The mapping you want should be named VCI-100SE-2_4-TPro-1.2. You do not want to be using the file named VCI-100SE-2_4-copy.

That being said, you could be experiencing a problem totally different than I had, but the symptoms you mention sound identical to what I experienced. Good luck.
Anabel Madeira
13.11.2009
Originally Posted by colly
Filter. Its acts weird, each direction from 12' O'clock does the full revloution, one each way. Can I have it just normal like an EQ knob?


Any comment on the way the Filter works? Personally I'm not a fan of the way it jumps to fully on and continued twisting lessons the effect, it should be the other way round really, or just permanently on and just the normal movement like it is on standard mixers etc would be fine.
I believe the filter issue you are referring to has been fixed with the latest mapping for TP 1.2. I was having the same problem when I first got my SE. I believe my problem was that I started using the mapping for 1.12, not 1.2, as there are separate mappings for those two versions. You may be having a different problem altogether, but I thought I'd mention it since I had the same problem with the filter knob controlling two full sweeps as opposed to one. Hope this helps.
robin loo
13.11.2009
Originally Posted by EanGolden

I have been considering switching the play to a PLAY/PAUSE toggle. Any other fans of that move?
+1 on that..

13.11.2009
Originally Posted by colly
I've come from Torq and am used to come things which are different on the VCI

- The play button, can you make it play/pause like on the Xponent or CD Decks etc?
- The Pause button does not Pause, it goes back to the cue. Why?
- Filter. Its acts weird, each direction from 12' O'clock does the full revloution, one each way. Can I have it just normal like an EQ knob?
- Sometimes I put on a new track and press sync, it is out. What is the easiest way to adjust on the go? Can you do it on the controller or do you have to use the Move Grid Buttons in the software?
- I sometimes hear cracks and pops, what do I do to fix this?
- Is there no Master Volume or am I mistaken? On the original its at the top right but that is now 2/4 decks.
- To the right of that is 'Juggle' - what does that do?

Maybe its just a case of me getting used to it, I seem to be a bit more comfortable now than a few days ago. Are there tutorials I should be studying?

Thanks!
Colly
I recommend you visit the MAPPINGS tab and watch the videos there that will walk you through the mapping.

Its generally agreed that the SE is a significantly improved controller over the original but if you prefer the more basic functionality the original provides then your welcome to import that TSI as well.

I have been considering switching the play to a PLAY/PAUSE toggle. Any other fans of that move?
Cathie Sochacki
09.11.2009
Originally Posted by MisterMoleyMole
I believe i have the metal panels but i dont believe you need them .. get the dj ranking s mapping on teh go and fiddle
I'm actually getting more used to it now, and I do like many of the features of the new layout, so maybe I just need to change a few of the mappings I don't like...

If anyone can comment on my questions above I would appreciate it.
Thanks
Gregory Finely
09.11.2009
Originally Posted by colly
Cool, would anyone have their old plate they would be interested in giving to or selling me? Would be handy to be able to have both.

Thanks for the pm - I have a few questions I'd appreciate help on:

I've come from Torq and am used to come things which are different on the VCI

- The play button, can you make it play/pause like on the Xponent or CD Decks etc?
- The Pause button does not Pause, it goes back to the cue. Why?
- Filter. Its acts weird, each direction from 12' O'clock does the full revloution, one each way. Can I have it just normal like an EQ knob?
- Sometimes I put on a new track and press sync, it is out. What is the easiest way to adjust on the go? Can you do it on the controller or do you have to use the Move Grid Buttons in the software?
- I sometimes hear cracks and pops, what do I do to fix this?
- Is there no Master Volume or am I mistaken? On the original its at the top right but that is now 2/4 decks.
- To the right of that is 'Juggle' - what does that do?

Maybe its just a case of me getting used to it, I seem to be a bit more comfortable now than a few days ago. Are there tutorials I should be studying?

Thanks!
Colly
Hiya I had Alex pop round yesterday to drop of my upgrade kit, I am going to get him with the offer of free beer! to upgrade my vci and add the DJTT plate to it as it seems to be much more interesting, hopefully if i get this sorted out in the next couple of weeks i will have the original plate spare
Anabel Madeira
13.11.2009
Originally Posted by colly
Hmm, I have Traktor Pro 1.2.1 and I tried the driver for 1.2 and it did not work at all, however 1.12 does work. Any ideas?
When you say you tried the driver, do you mean you tried the .tsi mapping file that is posted on the site? The mapping you want should be named VCI-100SE-2_4-TPro-1.2. You do not want to be using the file named VCI-100SE-2_4-copy.

That being said, you could be experiencing a problem totally different than I had, but the symptoms you mention sound identical to what I experienced. Good luck.
Cathie Sochacki
14.11.2009		Hmm, I have Traktor Pro 1.2.1 and I tried the driver for 1.2 and it did not work at all, however 1.12 does work. Any ideas?
Anabel Madeira
13.11.2009
Originally Posted by colly
Filter. Its acts weird, each direction from 12' O'clock does the full revloution, one each way. Can I have it just normal like an EQ knob?


Any comment on the way the Filter works? Personally I'm not a fan of the way it jumps to fully on and continued twisting lessons the effect, it should be the other way round really, or just permanently on and just the normal movement like it is on standard mixers etc would be fine.
I believe the filter issue you are referring to has been fixed with the latest mapping for TP 1.2. I was having the same problem when I first got my SE. I believe my problem was that I started using the mapping for 1.12, not 1.2, as there are separate mappings for those two versions. You may be having a different problem altogether, but I thought I'd mention it since I had the same problem with the filter knob controlling two full sweeps as opposed to one. Hope this helps.
Cathie Sochacki
13.11.2009		Something like that, not 100% sure I'm far from an expert on these things but its just my 2 cents. I'll have to get on my controller and have a go at it and see what it would be like.
Jacki Margritz
13.11.2009		If you switch the play button to a play/pause, you would have to change the pause to a cue play then, or how were you believeing?
Cathie Sochacki
13.11.2009		Hi Ean, many thanks for the reply - very much appreciated.

I have no doubt whatsoever that the DJTT mapping is better than the original - I suppose because its more advanced it scared me off a little at first. However, since I have now had it a while and have been playing with it, I'm definitely getting more comfortable with it and do like the way the effects etc work. I have not played about with Faxer FX or Juggle or multiple decks yet, but all in time.

Because I came from the Xponent I'm used to one button being play/pause - just like on cdj's. Sometimes you do want to just pause the track where it is, but the Pause button on the SE bring the track back to the last cue point. So really its more "Cue" than it is "Pause". If I do want to just Pause the track, I don't believe you should have to drop a cue first really.

Any comment on the way the Filter works? Personally I'm not a fan of the way it jumps to fully on and continued twisting lessons the effect, it should be the other way round really, or just permanently on and just the normal movement like it is on standard mixers etc would be fine.

Ean any thought on when you might adjust the play/pause? I'll have a look at the mappings videos. I did take a look to try to change it but it seemed to be pretty complex probably cause of the 4 decks thing, but I might have a try later and see how it goes.
robin loo
13.11.2009
Originally Posted by EanGolden

I have been considering switching the play to a PLAY/PAUSE toggle. Any other fans of that move?
+1 on that..

13.11.2009
Originally Posted by colly
I've come from Torq and am used to come things which are different on the VCI

- The play button, can you make it play/pause like on the Xponent or CD Decks etc?
- The Pause button does not Pause, it goes back to the cue. Why?
- Filter. Its acts weird, each direction from 12' O'clock does the full revloution, one each way. Can I have it just normal like an EQ knob?
- Sometimes I put on a new track and press sync, it is out. What is the easiest way to adjust on the go? Can you do it on the controller or do you have to use the Move Grid Buttons in the software?
- I sometimes hear cracks and pops, what do I do to fix this?
- Is there no Master Volume or am I mistaken? On the original its at the top right but that is now 2/4 decks.
- To the right of that is 'Juggle' - what does that do?

Maybe its just a case of me getting used to it, I seem to be a bit more comfortable now than a few days ago. Are there tutorials I should be studying?

Thanks!
Colly
I recommend you visit the MAPPINGS tab and watch the videos there that will walk you through the mapping.

Its generally agreed that the SE is a significantly improved controller over the original but if you prefer the more basic functionality the original provides then your welcome to import that TSI as well.

I have been considering switching the play to a PLAY/PAUSE toggle. Any other fans of that move?
Alyson Beltrani
09.11.2009		The latest DJTT layout and mapping with the 1.3 firmware is the best yet. In my opinion a huge improvment over previous mappings.
Xavier Emanuels
09.11.2009		Id stick with the DJTT mapping, its ALOT better than the original mapping but it will take you some practice.

Stick with it and in the long run you will be alot happier.

If in the end you really don't want the DJTT overlay and would prefer the original, then you can just take off the overlay on your unit and underneath you will find the original mappings

If there is any residue left on the unit that can be removed using products users recommend in this thread here: http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=1789
Cathie Sochacki
09.11.2009
Originally Posted by MisterMoleyMole
I believe i have the metal panels but i dont believe you need them .. get the dj ranking s mapping on teh go and fiddle
I'm actually getting more used to it now, and I do like many of the features of the new layout, so maybe I just need to change a few of the mappings I don't like...

If anyone can comment on my questions above I would appreciate it.
Thanks
Gregory Finely
09.11.2009
Originally Posted by colly
Cool, would anyone have their old plate they would be interested in giving to or selling me? Would be handy to be able to have both.

Thanks for the pm - I have a few questions I'd appreciate help on:

I've come from Torq and am used to come things which are different on the VCI

- The play button, can you make it play/pause like on the Xponent or CD Decks etc?
- The Pause button does not Pause, it goes back to the cue. Why?
- Filter. Its acts weird, each direction from 12' O'clock does the full revloution, one each way. Can I have it just normal like an EQ knob?
- Sometimes I put on a new track and press sync, it is out. What is the easiest way to adjust on the go? Can you do it on the controller or do you have to use the Move Grid Buttons in the software?
- I sometimes hear cracks and pops, what do I do to fix this?
- Is there no Master Volume or am I mistaken? On the original its at the top right but that is now 2/4 decks.
- To the right of that is 'Juggle' - what does that do?

Maybe its just a case of me getting used to it, I seem to be a bit more comfortable now than a few days ago. Are there tutorials I should be studying?

Thanks!
Colly
Hiya I had Alex pop round yesterday to drop of my upgrade kit, I am going to get him with the offer of free beer! to upgrade my vci and add the DJTT plate to it as it seems to be much more interesting, hopefully if i get this sorted out in the next couple of weeks i will have the original plate spare
Doug Bieling
09.11.2009		I believe i have the metal panels but i dont believe you need them .. get the dj ranking s mapping on teh go and fiddle
Cathie Sochacki
09.11.2009		I live in Ireland and I'm using Traktor Pro
Thanks
Doug Bieling
09.11.2009		What country are you in ?

What version of Traktor are you using ?
Cathie Sochacki
08.11.2009		Cool, would anyone have their old plate they would be interested in giving to or selling me? Would be handy to be able to have both.

Thanks for the pm - I have a few questions I'd appreciate help on:

I've come from Torq and am used to come things which are different on the VCI

- The play button, can you make it play/pause like on the Xponent or CD Decks etc?
- The Pause button does not Pause, it goes back to the cue. Why?
- Filter. Its acts weird, each direction from 12' O'clock does the full revloution, one each way. Can I have it just normal like an EQ knob?
- Sometimes I put on a new track and press sync, it is out. What is the easiest way to adjust on the go? Can you do it on the controller or do you have to use the Move Grid Buttons in the software?
- I sometimes hear cracks and pops, what do I do to fix this?
- Is there no Master Volume or am I mistaken? On the original its at the top right but that is now 2/4 decks.
- To the right of that is 'Juggle' - what does that do?

Maybe its just a case of me getting used to it, I seem to be a bit more comfortable now than a few days ago. Are there tutorials I should be studying?

Thanks!
Colly
Gwenda Legendre
04.11.2009		Hey Colly.

I just sent you a PM.
Adolf Hit
04.11.2009		You can definatley put the original plates on yours... Im sure plenty of us on this community have ours left over from modding our VCI's

TBH it does not take long to learn a mapping and once you have done that you dont need to look at the labels any way
Doug Bieling
04.11.2009		what are the things you downt like about it?
Cathie Sochacki
04.11.2009		Can I get the original overlays? Where?
Thanks
Winston Mazeika
04.11.2009		Well, you can always just import the tsi that you can download from the Vestax VCI-100 page http://www.vestax.com/v/products/players/vci100_b.html. That will give you the functionality of a normal VCI, with the plus side of the 4th FX button working

Although you may want to buy the original metal overlay plates, just so you know what buttons do what, but thats not really essential.

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