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Basic X1 + TSP2 + Maschine for sample deck control
Posted on: 03.04.2011 by Violeta Hubbart
OK.

So I use TS Pro2, with the X1 for cue / search / effects etc. (default mapping).

I was super pissed off to find NI didn't have ANY sample deck mapping ready to go with TP2. Talk about lame!

Now @ Version 1.1, I've added re-trigger mode and a second knob page for mutes and individual sample slot volumes.



http://www.mediafire.com/?4pkc6dlr742h56w << DL ZIP, contains NCM and TSI.

The NCM file will need to be loaded in via Controller Manager before using the TSI.

1. Open Controller Editor
2. Add the NCM to a spare slot in the template section
3. Open Traktor Pro2
4. Preferences, Import button on bottom right. Should only be controller settings.

So, I'm not responsible if this blows up your computer.


-forsue

P.S I believe I posted this over @ NI community s but I can't see it. There were lots of people over there looking for something like this I believe. Excuse the cross-post.
Deloras Hirchert
06.04.2011		I agree, but can almost def tell you why it doesnt bother them. goto germany sometime and tell me they aren't 20 years ahead of their time in technology but style wise still very much in the 90's in most anything they do, which is good in some cases.

Not for people like us who eat MIDI for breakfast, lunch, and dinner though. If I had my say the midi editor would open in a new window thats resizable and always on top and you'd be able to use the up and down arrows and other keyboard shortcuts with the option to import and export in xml as the standard format, then we could copy paste and trade pieces of mapping functionality.

i feel this will be the last thing they fix as a majority of the users dont know how to make a mapping, let alone spell midi. and im speaking in regards to the general public at large, the ppl on this community tend to share a fancy for controllerism more than most.

until then theres the option of trying to decode the tsi, i always pay for traktor but i did notice while searching google for info regarding midi mapping sample decks and midi output for sample decks that its already been cracked. if these ppl can crack the program surely the tsi's are within our capability.
still dreaming.

Originally Posted by forsue
Damn. Oh well, we can add it to the 'wtf glaring oversight' issues of T2

My list so far is quite short after I figured out what I was doing... Only thing I don't really like now is the still (!) fixed size preferences dialog box.

NI, The 90's called, they want their UI designers back! They need to have a very hard look at how they value vertical resolution.

Also, I want the advanced drop down box on the SMALL decks. If I could toggle SMALL/ADVANCED only that'd be pretty sweet. I've only got a 1280x800 screen so I need all the vertical resolution I can get!!!
Alexandra Nerby
04.04.2011
Originally Posted by padi_04
None i'm aware of (didn't search really). You could always remap the native one to include sample control, using a modifier to detect if X deck is in deck or sample mode. I might build that one if i get enough time in the following weeks.
Sounds good man, I'll be working on one as well to mimic the PDF hopefully too. We'll see what we come up with.
Nedra Fresneda
04.04.2011
Originally Posted by Gryz
So there is no single one mapping for T2 to work both the sample decks as well as fx and transport at the same time? Are you expected to switch mappings during your set to use the sample mode?
None i'm aware of (didn't search really). You could always remap the native one to include sample control, using a modifier to detect if X deck is in deck or sample mode. I might build that one if i get enough time in the following weeks.
Alexandra Nerby
04.04.2011
Originally Posted by padi_04
Because not everyone use the X1 with the native deck mapping: In the same folder you can find the mapping, there is also an explanatory pdf.
So there is no single one mapping for T2 to work both the sample decks as well as fx and transport at the same time? Are you expected to switch mappings during your set to use the sample mode?
Nedra Fresneda
04.04.2011
Originally Posted by Gryz
What a joke. I don't understand why they would do that with T2 knowing full well people would want full control. I hope there is a simple shift button switch mapping soon. I'm done mapping myself. No time anymore.

Where the heck is the mapping on the native instruments website showing it in use with Tpro2?
Because not everyone use the X1 with the native deck mapping: In the same folder you can find the mapping, there is also an explanatory pdf.
Alexandra Nerby
04.04.2011
Originally Posted by eeloe
It's actually a hid map, it's a major pain in the ass.
What a joke. I don't understand why they would do that with T2 knowing full well people would want full control. I hope there is a simple shift button switch mapping soon. I'm done mapping myself. No time anymore.

Where the heck is the mapping on the native instruments website showing it in use with Tpro2?
Violeta Hubbart
03.04.2011
Originally Posted by eeloe
It's actually a hid map, it's a major pain in the ass.
Damn. Oh well, we can add it to the 'wtf glaring oversight' issues of T2

My list so far is quite short after I figured out what I was doing... Only thing I don't really like now is the still (!) fixed size preferences dialog box.

NI, The 90's called, they want their UI designers back! They need to have a very hard look at how they value vertical resolution.

Also, I want the advanced drop down box on the SMALL decks. If I could toggle SMALL/ADVANCED only that'd be pretty sweet. I've only got a 1280x800 screen so I need all the vertical resolution I can get!!!
Violeta Hubbart
03.04.2011
Originally Posted by Gryz
Thanks guys! Had a look at it, but am a little confused. Is is just a simple press of a button to get into sample deck mode, or do you have to upload a completely seperate tsi from the original which controls the transport and FX?
I believe it's a MIDI map, so you should be able to use the standard HID mode map for standard X1 stuff then the MIDI map for Sample Decks, switch between MIDI/HID mode with Shift+Hotcue buttons.
Meaghan Kallmann
12.05.2011		First, thanks for making and posting this! This looks absolutely perfect. I'm using an S4, and just can't ever seem to get by with only 4 cue points, so I gave up my sample decks for 8 cues and have been wanting to make this exact mapping but haven't had time.

So, downloaded, loaded NCM as directed, as well as the TSI file in Traktor Pro 2. All seemed to work correctly.

And it doesn't work. The mapping is selected on my Maschine and when Controller Editor is open it seems to be recognizing the MIDI from the Maschine, but nothing happens in Traktor when I use the Maschine.

Config is Macbook Pro Unibody (Spring 2009) w/ Snow Leopard, Traktor Pro 2, no other MIDI devices / applications connected or running.
Roselee Delbalso
11.04.2011		Did NI also include a .ncm? because I can't get default .tsi maschine mapping to work on TP2, what do I do to fix this? (downloading and trying your custom one now!)
Deloras Hirchert
06.04.2011		I also preferred the yellow text for deck headings, the contrast was better, they made the new waveforms so colorful nothing else stands out, the text's reduced contrast kinda slows me down for some reason.

and the new option to not save the beatgrid as a hotcue has caused problems when i get rid of the hotcue and simply replace it with a load marker, things were going out of sync randomly. not consistantly though, just sometimes in some tracks. *shrug
Deloras Hirchert
06.04.2011		I agree, but can almost def tell you why it doesnt bother them. goto germany sometime and tell me they aren't 20 years ahead of their time in technology but style wise still very much in the 90's in most anything they do, which is good in some cases.

Not for people like us who eat MIDI for breakfast, lunch, and dinner though. If I had my say the midi editor would open in a new window thats resizable and always on top and you'd be able to use the up and down arrows and other keyboard shortcuts with the option to import and export in xml as the standard format, then we could copy paste and trade pieces of mapping functionality.

i feel this will be the last thing they fix as a majority of the users dont know how to make a mapping, let alone spell midi. and im speaking in regards to the general public at large, the ppl on this community tend to share a fancy for controllerism more than most.

until then theres the option of trying to decode the tsi, i always pay for traktor but i did notice while searching google for info regarding midi mapping sample decks and midi output for sample decks that its already been cracked. if these ppl can crack the program surely the tsi's are within our capability.
still dreaming.

Originally Posted by forsue
Damn. Oh well, we can add it to the 'wtf glaring oversight' issues of T2

My list so far is quite short after I figured out what I was doing... Only thing I don't really like now is the still (!) fixed size preferences dialog box.

NI, The 90's called, they want their UI designers back! They need to have a very hard look at how they value vertical resolution.

Also, I want the advanced drop down box on the SMALL decks. If I could toggle SMALL/ADVANCED only that'd be pretty sweet. I've only got a 1280x800 screen so I need all the vertical resolution I can get!!!
Alexandra Nerby
04.04.2011
Originally Posted by padi_04
None i'm aware of (didn't search really). You could always remap the native one to include sample control, using a modifier to detect if X deck is in deck or sample mode. I might build that one if i get enough time in the following weeks.
Sounds good man, I'll be working on one as well to mimic the PDF hopefully too. We'll see what we come up with.
Nedra Fresneda
04.04.2011
Originally Posted by Gryz
So there is no single one mapping for T2 to work both the sample decks as well as fx and transport at the same time? Are you expected to switch mappings during your set to use the sample mode?
None i'm aware of (didn't search really). You could always remap the native one to include sample control, using a modifier to detect if X deck is in deck or sample mode. I might build that one if i get enough time in the following weeks.
Alexandra Nerby
04.04.2011
Originally Posted by padi_04
Because not everyone use the X1 with the native deck mapping: In the same folder you can find the mapping, there is also an explanatory pdf.
So there is no single one mapping for T2 to work both the sample decks as well as fx and transport at the same time? Are you expected to switch mappings during your set to use the sample mode?
Nedra Fresneda
04.04.2011
Originally Posted by Gryz
What a joke. I don't understand why they would do that with T2 knowing full well people would want full control. I hope there is a simple shift button switch mapping soon. I'm done mapping myself. No time anymore.

Where the heck is the mapping on the native instruments website showing it in use with Tpro2?
Because not everyone use the X1 with the native deck mapping: In the same folder you can find the mapping, there is also an explanatory pdf.
Alexandra Nerby
04.04.2011
Originally Posted by eeloe
It's actually a hid map, it's a major pain in the ass.
What a joke. I don't understand why they would do that with T2 knowing full well people would want full control. I hope there is a simple shift button switch mapping soon. I'm done mapping myself. No time anymore.

Where the heck is the mapping on the native instruments website showing it in use with Tpro2?
Violeta Hubbart
03.04.2011
Originally Posted by eeloe
It's actually a hid map, it's a major pain in the ass.
Damn. Oh well, we can add it to the 'wtf glaring oversight' issues of T2

My list so far is quite short after I figured out what I was doing... Only thing I don't really like now is the still (!) fixed size preferences dialog box.

NI, The 90's called, they want their UI designers back! They need to have a very hard look at how they value vertical resolution.

Also, I want the advanced drop down box on the SMALL decks. If I could toggle SMALL/ADVANCED only that'd be pretty sweet. I've only got a 1280x800 screen so I need all the vertical resolution I can get!!!
Corliss Michalke
03.04.2011		It's actually a hid map, it's a major pain in the ass.
Violeta Hubbart
03.04.2011
Originally Posted by Gryz
Thanks guys! Had a look at it, but am a little confused. Is is just a simple press of a button to get into sample deck mode, or do you have to upload a completely seperate tsi from the original which controls the transport and FX?
I believe it's a MIDI map, so you should be able to use the standard HID mode map for standard X1 stuff then the MIDI map for Sample Decks, switch between MIDI/HID mode with Shift+Hotcue buttons.
Alexandra Nerby
03.04.2011		Thanks guys! Had a look at it, but am a little confused. Is is just a simple press of a button to get into sample deck mode, or do you have to upload a completely seperate tsi from the original which controls the transport and FX?
Leeanna Ayla
03.04.2011		The pdf to the sample deck mapping is osted above. It doesn't have filter control, but it wouldn't be very hard to add it.
Alexandra Nerby
03.04.2011		With full control of effects units as well? Can one change and control effects without having to touch your laptop?

Looking to replace my current controller with the X1...
Leeanna Ayla
03.04.2011		What he said.
Violeta Hubbart
03.04.2011		T2Pro has a standard X1 mapping and an X1 mapping for Sample Decks included.
Alexandra Nerby
03.04.2011		Sorry to hijack, but I want to know 100% if the T2 and the X1 come with the mapping. I want to buy the X1 but not if I have to map it to use the sample decks or effects....
Leeanna Ayla
03.04.2011
Originally Posted by forsue

This mapping is my first effort into something specifically for Maschine as a Sample Deck *only* controller.
And you have done a fine job.
Violeta Hubbart
03.04.2011		My apologies, I understand they have an X1 mapping for the sampler, I came across it in my travels. I should have been more specific.

I use TSP2 as DVS, so I manually beatmatch and what-not. I use the X1 for all the cue point / track search stuff and don't really like shifting between the HID and MIDI layers. Also, I have a few mates that spin on this setup and it just gets really confusing.

I have a Maschine so it seemed obvious to throw it in the mix for the sample decks.

NI do not provide any template for using the Maschine soley as a Sample Deck Controller.

This mapping is my first effort into something specifically for Maschine as a Sample Deck *only* controller.
Leeanna Ayla
03.04.2011
Originally Posted by forsue
OK.

I was super pissed off to find NI didn't have ANY sample deck mapping ready to go with TP2. Talk about lame!
Sorry if I misunderstood you, but they did provide an X1 mapping with sample deck and loop recorder control.

On my mac it's at /Users/photojojo/Documents/Native Instruments/Traktor 2.0.1/Settings/Default Settings/Controller/Native Instruments

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