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Ultimate controller?
Posted on: 23.01.2013 by Rosario Whitington
Ultimate controller for both production and Djing? As for now I'm exploring the wonders of the DJ world and I love trying new combinations setup wise. But I've come to a stage, where I would like to try production as well. Not serious song production, but samples and loops that can be implemented in the mix. Other than that I would also like to have sort of a "mini" setup, when I'm on the road!

So to sum up, the needs are as following for a controller.
It should be able to produce loops/samples
- Able to be used beside my kontrol x1 for djing when on the road?
- Able to be used with ableton or maybe remix decks with my main setup (see signature)
- Able to shoot off the sweet loops/samples I've made, live.

Are there an ultimate controller, whom fulfill these needs?

I know I haven't described everything into much detail, but post what you believe would be a good controller for everything.
Oh and keep in mind that I don't have my pockets filled with money, so believeing of the price before posting would be nice

Controllers I believe would be an option,
Akai Apc40?
Ipad?

Another option would be to wait for NAMM and see what's coming?
Cole Maroto
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by FEEDIT
I'm currently a bedroom dj, who only plays live for friends or for myself
I believe I haven't described it the right way e.g. I'm going on a vacation in two weeks. I would like to take my kontrol x1 and my upcoming second controller with me, so I can mix without all of my current gear, but just with those two controllers.
you can mix with an x1 and secondary controller, it just depends on how you mix. there are mappings to give your x1 mixer/eq controls (https://maps.djranking s.com/mappings/791) or you can map it however you like.

with just an x1 you won't have a way to cue the tracks so that will present an issue. you could get an audio 2 for this, but then you have another issue of needing speakers to plug it into...
Adrien Witkus
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by FEEDIT
I'm currently a bedroom dj, who only plays live for friends or for myself
I believe I haven't described it the right way e.g. I'm going on a vacation in two weeks. I would like to take my kontrol x1 and my upcoming second controller with me, so I can mix without all of my current gear, but just with those two controllers.
I'm not sure what to tell you... Your level of experience confuses me if you're wondering whether or not you can DJ without a mixer.


Regardless, though, you need a mixer. If you need a more portable mixer, there's the Behringer CMD MM-1, but that won't be out for a couple of weeks. You're probably best off by buying a cheap shitty all-in-one controller for it's mixer.
Rosario Whitington
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by oilythread
No... With traktor, you will always need a mixer, or at least mixer controls. This is why I asked about what kind of gear your gigs have available... If you're playing gigs that don't have a DJ mixer, you're really overbelieveing the live element of what you do.
I'm currently a bedroom dj, who only plays live for friends or for myself
I believe I haven't described it the right way e.g. I'm going on a vacation in two weeks. I would like to take my kontrol x1 and my upcoming second controller with me, so I can mix without all of my current gear, but just with those two controllers.
Judi Sissel
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by FEEDIT
I know it's taking control right?:-)
Yeah the Base would, literally.... No its not! The Base will not control my setup..... ....
Adrien Witkus
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by FEEDIT
First of all, thanks for all the replies, I'm grateful.

Yes I use my turntables 'live' and yes my empath have three channels Deck A, Deck B and the third channel is still available.
The mf3d looks good, but I'm a little concerned.
can I use this and a kontrol x1 to mix, no mixer or anything else?
No... With traktor, you will always need a mixer, or at least mixer controls. This is why I asked about what kind of gear your gigs have available... If you're playing gigs that don't have a DJ mixer, you're really overbelieveing the live element of what you do.
Rosario Whitington
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by DarioJ
Go way RGAS... GO AWAY!!!!
I know it's taking control right?:-)
Judi Sissel
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
Announced today, the Base: http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=...&id=169dc25d8c

All except of remix decks since those ain't mappable. Or if you don't need faders.
Go way RGAS... GO AWAY!!!!
Rosario Whitington
23.01.2013		Ultimate controller for both production and Djing? As for now I'm exploring the wonders of the DJ world and I love trying new combinations setup wise. But I've come to a stage, where I would like to try production as well. Not serious song production, but samples and loops that can be implemented in the mix. Other than that I would also like to have sort of a "mini" setup, when I'm on the road!

So to sum up, the needs are as following for a controller.
It should be able to produce loops/samples
- Able to be used beside my kontrol x1 for djing when on the road?
- Able to be used with ableton or maybe remix decks with my main setup (see signature)
- Able to shoot off the sweet loops/samples I've made, live.

Are there an ultimate controller, whom fulfill these needs?

I know I haven't described everything into much detail, but post what you believe would be a good controller for everything.
Oh and keep in mind that I don't have my pockets filled with money, so believeing of the price before posting would be nice

Controllers I believe would be an option,
Akai Apc40?
Ipad?

Another option would be to wait for NAMM and see what's coming?
Cole Maroto
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by FEEDIT
I'm currently a bedroom dj, who only plays live for friends or for myself
I believe I haven't described it the right way e.g. I'm going on a vacation in two weeks. I would like to take my kontrol x1 and my upcoming second controller with me, so I can mix without all of my current gear, but just with those two controllers.
you can mix with an x1 and secondary controller, it just depends on how you mix. there are mappings to give your x1 mixer/eq controls (https://maps.djranking s.com/mappings/791) or you can map it however you like.

with just an x1 you won't have a way to cue the tracks so that will present an issue. you could get an audio 2 for this, but then you have another issue of needing speakers to plug it into...
Adrien Witkus
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by FEEDIT
I'm currently a bedroom dj, who only plays live for friends or for myself
I believe I haven't described it the right way e.g. I'm going on a vacation in two weeks. I would like to take my kontrol x1 and my upcoming second controller with me, so I can mix without all of my current gear, but just with those two controllers.
I'm not sure what to tell you... Your level of experience confuses me if you're wondering whether or not you can DJ without a mixer.


Regardless, though, you need a mixer. If you need a more portable mixer, there's the Behringer CMD MM-1, but that won't be out for a couple of weeks. You're probably best off by buying a cheap shitty all-in-one controller for it's mixer.
Rosario Whitington
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by oilythread
No... With traktor, you will always need a mixer, or at least mixer controls. This is why I asked about what kind of gear your gigs have available... If you're playing gigs that don't have a DJ mixer, you're really overbelieveing the live element of what you do.
I'm currently a bedroom dj, who only plays live for friends or for myself
I believe I haven't described it the right way e.g. I'm going on a vacation in two weeks. I would like to take my kontrol x1 and my upcoming second controller with me, so I can mix without all of my current gear, but just with those two controllers.
Judi Sissel
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by FEEDIT
I know it's taking control right?:-)
Yeah the Base would, literally.... No its not! The Base will not control my setup..... ....
Adrien Witkus
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by FEEDIT
First of all, thanks for all the replies, I'm grateful.

Yes I use my turntables 'live' and yes my empath have three channels Deck A, Deck B and the third channel is still available.
The mf3d looks good, but I'm a little concerned.
can I use this and a kontrol x1 to mix, no mixer or anything else?
No... With traktor, you will always need a mixer, or at least mixer controls. This is why I asked about what kind of gear your gigs have available... If you're playing gigs that don't have a DJ mixer, you're really overbelieveing the live element of what you do.
Rosario Whitington
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by DarioJ
Go way RGAS... GO AWAY!!!!
I know it's taking control right?:-)
Judi Sissel
23.01.2013
Originally Posted by Stewe
Announced today, the Base: http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=...&id=169dc25d8c

All except of remix decks since those ain't mappable. Or if you don't need faders.
Go way RGAS... GO AWAY!!!!
Rosario Whitington
23.01.2013		First of all, thanks for all the replies, I'm grateful.

Yes I use my turntables 'live' and yes my empath have three channels Deck A, Deck B and the third channel is still available.
The mf3d looks good, but I'm a little concerned.
can I use this and a kontrol x1 to mix, with nothing else? (when I'm on the road i would like to have a small setup i can drag around to different places)

To steves reply,
Holy jesus, that thing looks good I live in Europe, so the prices are gonna be a bit different over here
Do you know if it's released in Europe yet?
Adrien Witkus
23.01.2013		^ holy shit. That thing is fucking awesome.
This is news. I'm now rebelieveing my new setup, which was going to be a pair of MF3Ds, and might now be this, $100 cheaper.
Kellie Myrum
23.01.2013		Announced today, the Base: http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=...&id=169dc25d8c

All except of remix decks since those ain't mappable. Or if you don't need faders.
Adrien Witkus
23.01.2013		Don't worry about controlling ableton while you're playing live. If you want to trigger the loops you've made in ableton, do it with traktor's remix decks. For that you need either an F1 or a midi fighter 3D. Either can be mapped to control ableton while you're making loops in the studio, and mapped to control the remix decks when you play live. I'd strongly urge you towards the MF3D, as it isn't a locked-down system like the F1, so you can map it with traktor, and you can do much more with mapping it in ableton.

As far as a mobile setup goes, I don't know what level you're at... So I don't know what kind of gear will be available to you when you play live. If you're at least at a level where your gigs have CDJs and/or turntables, use timecode CDs/vinyl along with your X1 for mixing, and use the MF3D/F1 for remix deck control. Remember that you'll need at least a 3 channel mixer at the event if you want to use the remix decks, though.
Rosario Whitington
23.01.2013		also for mixing with the kontrol x1 on the road?
Nga Mcquarter
23.01.2013		F1, no doubt.

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