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Scratch ableton clips in traktor with beatsyncing
Posted on: 15.05.2012 by Angella Mosiniak
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Angella Mosiniak
19.05.2012		Hello zestoi! Thank you for helping us out here

Originally Posted by zestoi
the max 8 midi mapped hot cue's is a bit of a bugger in traktor and the delay when stacking too many beatjumps is noticeable - with delays that traktor needs to be added in.
I was anticipating this and I have a couple ideas to try... I'll get some time soon and finish this up.

Thank you and have a good day!
Chasidy Heckenbach
19.05.2012
Originally Posted by Phi
Have midi-masher take the beat phase output from another deck in Traktor (synced to live) and use that to trigger beat jumps in the Traktor clip. If you were to hold the control vinyl still, the clip would still jump to each beat of the clip while not playing, and if you scratch, the clip would track the scratching but also play the clip beat by beat under the scratch pattern. Sound interesting?
you could do that or use the midi clock from traktor which seems more stable than the beat phase. on mac its very stable anyway - not so good on windows. you could certainly map any midi commands, sequenced or otherwise, from any midi trigger/input using midimasher.

the max 8 midi mapped hot cue's is a bit of a bugger in traktor and the delay when stacking too many beatjumps is noticeable - with delays that traktor needs to be added in.

mixxx has an unlimited number of hotcues available tho - so you could map as many as you need. also the quantize modes are now much better than they used to be. so is bpm detection and beatgrids.

also in theory i believe an unlimited number of decks - tho i believe there's some issues there with the new multi coloured waveforms and no skins yet anyway.

the four sample decks in mixxx can be pretty much used like full decks though.
Nedra Fresneda
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
And a given track in traktor only has up to 8 cue points.
8 MIDI mappeable cue points, you can keep adding and moving between them using the jump to prev/next cuepoint commands like you would navigate an audio CD. Not the best solution but it extends the use a bit further.
Chasidy Heckenbach
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Angella Mosiniak
21.05.2012		"When I was a little kid, my mother told me not to stare into the sun, so when I was six I did..." -- Maximillian Cohen



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Angella Mosiniak
19.05.2012		...
Angella Mosiniak
19.05.2012		Hello zestoi! Thank you for helping us out here

Originally Posted by zestoi
the max 8 midi mapped hot cue's is a bit of a bugger in traktor and the delay when stacking too many beatjumps is noticeable - with delays that traktor needs to be added in.
I was anticipating this and I have a couple ideas to try... I'll get some time soon and finish this up.

Thank you and have a good day!
Chasidy Heckenbach
19.05.2012
Originally Posted by Phi
Have midi-masher take the beat phase output from another deck in Traktor (synced to live) and use that to trigger beat jumps in the Traktor clip. If you were to hold the control vinyl still, the clip would still jump to each beat of the clip while not playing, and if you scratch, the clip would track the scratching but also play the clip beat by beat under the scratch pattern. Sound interesting?
you could do that or use the midi clock from traktor which seems more stable than the beat phase. on mac its very stable anyway - not so good on windows. you could certainly map any midi commands, sequenced or otherwise, from any midi trigger/input using midimasher.

the max 8 midi mapped hot cue's is a bit of a bugger in traktor and the delay when stacking too many beatjumps is noticeable - with delays that traktor needs to be added in.

mixxx has an unlimited number of hotcues available tho - so you could map as many as you need. also the quantize modes are now much better than they used to be. so is bpm detection and beatgrids.

also in theory i believe an unlimited number of decks - tho i believe there's some issues there with the new multi coloured waveforms and no skins yet anyway.

the four sample decks in mixxx can be pretty much used like full decks though.
Angella Mosiniak
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Angella Mosiniak
15.05.2012		...
Nedra Fresneda
15.05.2012		Nope, the direct just work for for the first 8. Names will be displayed in the Cue tab.
Angella Mosiniak
15.05.2012		...
Nedra Fresneda
15.05.2012		The 8 regulars ones, then Cue/Loops>Prev/Next Cue/Loop to navigate and Store Cue/Loop to keep adding them.
Tatum Ansaldo
15.05.2012		I don't have my copy to hand, does it explain how you can use them, specifically with midi?
Angella Mosiniak
15.05.2012		"each track can contain more than 100 saved cue points." --Traktor bible pg246
Nedra Fresneda
15.05.2012
Originally Posted by fullenglishpint
And a given track in traktor only has up to 8 cue points.
8 MIDI mappeable cue points, you can keep adding and moving between them using the jump to prev/next cuepoint commands like you would navigate an audio CD. Not the best solution but it extends the use a bit further.
Tatum Ansaldo
15.05.2012		Go ahead and prove me wrong. I'll be pleased if you do.
Angella Mosiniak
15.05.2012		...
Tatum Ansaldo
15.05.2012		SSL doesn't have anything like the mapping capabilities to make this work. And a given track in traktor only has up to 8 cue points. I haven't tried ms pinky but I've heard it works well. One thing I would say, syncing up traktor and ableton to the level required to avoid stuttering with this method will be a pain in the ass.
Angella Mosiniak
15.05.2012		I don't use SSL but I do know that the bridge doesn't alow you to scratch in ableton, but this workaround should be viable in Serato, right?
Angella Mosiniak
15.05.2012		I only heard that ms pinky was still getting worked out. Is it accurate and stable enough for hardcore scratching at a gig? From what I just read ms pinky doesn't retrigger the same cue twice, but all that stuff should work fine with this method. Ms pinky also looks like something you have to install and you have to own max for live and know how to program it to work on ms pinky, but this
Tatum Ansaldo
15.05.2012		I don't see why that's necessary... If you want to scratch in ableton you can use ms pinky, if you want to use a few clips in traktor why not use the sample decks?

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