ISSUES w/DJTT Traktor Mappings in 2.5?

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ISSUES w/DJTT Traktor Mappings in 2.5?
Posted on: 04.06.2012 by Jodi Lacerra
Hello all,

I just wanted to create a central community thread for anyone who is experiencing issues with existing DJTT Midi mappings in Traktor v2.5 that were not experienced in previous Traktor versions. I am currently aware of any widespead issues with mappings created on previous versions of Traktor but a significant amount of changes have been made to Traktor's controller manager and mapping capabilities and I want to be sure that there issues that go unnoticed.

If you have found an issue with a mapping that was previously not present, please do one of the following:

  • Post a detailed comment of your findings on the appropriate mapping page on maps.djranking s.com OR
  • Send me a PM about the issue OR
  • Write out your issue in detail as a post in this thread


If you have posted something and have not had any response within a reasonable timeframe, please send me a PM or an email to chris@djranking s.com so I can make sure I am aware of the issue and looking into the best way to solve it in a time efficient manner. Thanks.
Kellie Myrum
23.07.2012
Originally Posted by flashflooder
just in case anyone else was wondering, mappings created in traktor 2.5 will NOT WORK in older versions of Traktor. The reason behind this is that a lot of the mapping commands changed names and modifier conditions changed and these are not backwards compatible in older versions.

it might be obvious to some people but i had a really difficult time trying to troubeshoot a couple people's problems until eventually finding out they were using 2.1 still and upgrading to 2.5 fixed the issues for all of those people.
There was some of commands replaced to different control groups also but biggest changes were for FX units. Since group and single mode are now joined in to one page we must define with modifier state to which mode will knobs and buttons be responding. This is cool when doing some simple mapping. However when involving more modifiers, it come to limitations with condition slots. There are only two...

In previous version of traktor there was more room for tricky mappings in FX units. Now it is defined by new command named "FX Store Preset". It's something that was already in traktor but haven't been mappable till now.

Originally Posted by beaubryte
This saved my life! Thanks man!
Good to know, keep up great work!
Claire Auyeung
20.07.2012
Originally Posted by Stewe
Store preset is going to provide your effect to auto engage when ether on hold or toggle, when you want to change and engage effect at same time.

Add in command FX Store Preset to all twelve Instant effect buttons and you are good to go. Ofc, you need to set it to corresponding FX unit for effect slot you are mapping to it.
This saved my life! Thanks man!
Kellie Myrum
17.07.2012		Good to hear it brasax! I'm glad that worked for you.

Originally Posted by brasax
Then you should tell me, how to..
Check my first post here. I did tell you in first place
Kellie Myrum
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by brasax
I don't agree. As I never had FX store used..

Made a simple mapping on the keyboard, like, set effect, set parameter, turn unit on. As long the same effect is loaded, the button works as it should. If another effect is loaded, the "ON" light flashes shortly and the effect/parameter are set.

Same mapping in 2.1.3 works fine.

NI support meant, it is because it is overwriting the command of "UNIT ON", when the effect/parameter are set.

I've sent back an answer, that it was working in 2.1.3 but not with 2.5 anymore..
You never have it used because you didn't need to. This is a new command that comes with 2.5 since single and group mode are now separated in two different pages. This can be overcome with creative mapping.
Kellie Myrum
25.09.2012		Effects are wrong because default S4 and MF Gratification mapping both have different order in effects list so once you have all of it set properly - export your mapping with "effect settings" check for further reference.

As for effects staying on, map "FX Store Preset command to all of buttons that are controlling effect ON.
Leigh Baley
24.09.2012		Hey, I've been having an issue with the instant gratification mapping: when I installed the mapping to Traktor 2.5.1, many of the effect slots were incorrect. Some of the LEDs seem to malfunction too...like when you lock an effect on by hitting the bank button, the effects that are on don't always stay lit. I fixed the effect slot issue manually by going in button by button and changing them all to what they should be (using my old laptop's traktor settings as a guide)....HOWEVER...

Today I was having issues with the midi output on my S4 and backed up my settings. When I imported them back, all of the effect slots were messed up again! Seems odd that settings which I had configured right in my own copy of Traktor would get messed up with a simple export and import process. Any ideas? I'd hate to believe that every time I backup my settings I'll have to go through and reset all of the midi fighter effect slot assignments...

Thanks!
Kellie Myrum
23.07.2012
Originally Posted by flashflooder
just in case anyone else was wondering, mappings created in traktor 2.5 will NOT WORK in older versions of Traktor. The reason behind this is that a lot of the mapping commands changed names and modifier conditions changed and these are not backwards compatible in older versions.

it might be obvious to some people but i had a really difficult time trying to troubeshoot a couple people's problems until eventually finding out they were using 2.1 still and upgrading to 2.5 fixed the issues for all of those people.
There was some of commands replaced to different control groups also but biggest changes were for FX units. Since group and single mode are now joined in to one page we must define with modifier state to which mode will knobs and buttons be responding. This is cool when doing some simple mapping. However when involving more modifiers, it come to limitations with condition slots. There are only two...

In previous version of traktor there was more room for tricky mappings in FX units. Now it is defined by new command named "FX Store Preset". It's something that was already in traktor but haven't been mappable till now.

Originally Posted by beaubryte
This saved my life! Thanks man!
Good to know, keep up great work!
Claire Auyeung
20.07.2012
Originally Posted by Stewe
Store preset is going to provide your effect to auto engage when ether on hold or toggle, when you want to change and engage effect at same time.

Add in command FX Store Preset to all twelve Instant effect buttons and you are good to go. Ofc, you need to set it to corresponding FX unit for effect slot you are mapping to it.
This saved my life! Thanks man!
Jodi Lacerra
17.07.2012		just in case anyone else was wondering, mappings created in traktor 2.5 will NOT WORK in older versions of Traktor. The reason behind this is that a lot of the mapping commands changed names and modifier conditions changed and these are not backwards compatible in older versions.

it might be obvious to some people but i had a really difficult time trying to troubeshoot a couple people's problems until eventually finding out they were using 2.1 still and upgrading to 2.5 fixed the issues for all of those people.
Kellie Myrum
17.07.2012		Good to hear it brasax! I'm glad that worked for you.

Originally Posted by brasax
Then you should tell me, how to..
Check my first post here. I did tell you in first place
Randall Finken
17.07.2012		It works!

Thanks Stewe!
Randall Finken
16.07.2012		Just tried it on the keyboard and it is working..

Many thanks!

I will map that toevening and see if it is working as it should..
Kellie Myrum
16.07.2012		Store preset is going to provide your effect to auto engage when ether on hold or toggle, when you want to change and engage effect at same time.

Add in command FX Store Preset to all twelve Instant effect buttons and you are good to go. Ofc, you need to set it to corresponding FX unit for effect slot you are mapping to it.
Randall Finken
16.07.2012		Then you should tell me, how to..

Beside that, what does this FX store do? And how can I change a mapping for the MF? Is it just adding the new command to different buttons or a lot more work?
Kellie Myrum
16.07.2012
Originally Posted by brasax
I don't agree. As I never had FX store used..

Made a simple mapping on the keyboard, like, set effect, set parameter, turn unit on. As long the same effect is loaded, the button works as it should. If another effect is loaded, the "ON" light flashes shortly and the effect/parameter are set.

Same mapping in 2.1.3 works fine.

NI support meant, it is because it is overwriting the command of "UNIT ON", when the effect/parameter are set.

I've sent back an answer, that it was working in 2.1.3 but not with 2.5 anymore..
You never have it used because you didn't need to. This is a new command that comes with 2.5 since single and group mode are now separated in two different pages. This can be overcome with creative mapping.
Randall Finken
16.07.2012		I don't agree. As I never had FX store used..

Made a simple mapping on the keyboard, like, set effect, set parameter, turn unit on. As long the same effect is loaded, the button works as it should. If another effect is loaded, the "ON" light flashes shortly and the effect/parameter are set.

Same mapping in 2.1.3 works fine.

NI support meant, it is because it is overwriting the command of "UNIT ON", when the effect/parameter are set.

I've sent back an answer, that it was working in 2.1.3 but not with 2.5 anymore..
Kellie Myrum
16.07.2012		It sure look like missing FX store parameter command on each of the preFX buttons. I had same issue with my custom mapping, when I had imported it to 2.5.
Randall Finken
16.07.2012		I'm in contact with NI about the problem with the "UNIT ON". Have exactly the same problem as scamo, I have to press the buttons twice to get the unit on.. For now, I do not use 2.5, also because of the "key correction" issue..
Rey Holubar
22.06.2012		It seems the initializing of the effect units takes an extra "press of the button" to get the unit ready. Not the biggest deal, but it takes the feel of "tightness" away from using a controller for effects.

I also seem to have some real issues with your MF3D DeckGratMotion mapping and 2.5. I haven't tried it with an older version of Traktor though....hmmmm. That gives me an idea........

scamo
Denise Goepel
22.06.2012		yes i'd got 4 deck instant grat on my apc40 with some sample deck stuff on the bottom rows, and also copied the three state jog wheel modes from the s2 mapped to my torq xponent, everything worked nicely, now nothing works properly, they work but not properly, wrong fx are triggered with the instant grats and i can only trigger one mode on the jogwheels... will there be updates to the originals so i can cut n paste them back in?
Jodi Lacerra
07.06.2012
Originally Posted by Xtian317
I'm not sure if this counts, but the MF Deckalized+Instant Grat mapping seems to be more unstable with 2.5.
The already inconsistent sampler/juggle mode/beat slicer is almost unusable with 2.5. Sometimes it won't activate the beat slicer (light up the bottom two rows). Other times when the slicer is activated, the actual slicer effect won't deactivate when you hit the 1st slicer button (3rd row, 1st button). I also kept getting stuck in 'juggle mode'. I ended up having to unplug my MF to get out of it.
Ok, that is good to know. I will look into this soon. I noticed some odd LED behavior in relation to what you brought up but didn't notice all the other issues. I probably won't get a chance to look into it and make a fix until sometime next week as I will be out of town for a long weekend in Vegas but will pick it back up when I return.
Jodi Lacerra
07.06.2012
Originally Posted by SparkDogg
My question is this, when posting in the comments page on maps, do we post it to the most current mapping (for instance, here http://maps.djranking s.com/mappings/1 for the VCI-100, or should there be a "TP2.5" mapping page?
That is a good question. Since there doesn't seem to be a lot of activity on this thread maybe it's easiest if you just post your findings here or alternatively email/PM me them. The one advantage I do see to making them more publicly visible is that it could allow others to comments on the issues you might bring up.

Hmm, now believeing about it again (while typing) maybe it makes most sense to post the comments on the maps page for the mapping that you are currently using and has issues with Traktor 2.5. That way I could tag that mapping as only being fully functional with Traktor versions 2.1 and below and know to create an edit of that mapping for 2.5.

So I guess post them either here or there but if you do post them on a maps page please make a quick note on this thread to let me know you did so with a link to the page so I can quickly look into it. Thanks.
Valery Ellick
06.06.2012		I'm not sure if this counts, but the MF Deckalized+Instant Grat mapping seems to be more unstable with 2.5.
The already inconsistent sampler/juggle mode/beat slicer is almost unusable with 2.5. Sometimes it won't activate the beat slicer (light up the bottom two rows). Other times when the slicer is activated, the actual slicer effect won't deactivate when you hit the 1st slicer button (3rd row, 1st button). I also kept getting stuck in 'juggle mode'. I ended up having to unplug my MF to get out of it.
Galina Mancinas
06.06.2012		Thanks for jumping on this FlashFlooder. This weekend I snagged an F1 to go with my VCI-100 (fw1.4\map4.1) and upgraded to TP2.5. I didn't compile a detailed list of the things that don't work in 2.5 (jogs don't work, browsing doesn't work, button assignment for play\pause\cup\ seems to have changed), but I'd be happy to.

My question is this, when posting in the comments page on maps, do we post it to the most current mapping (for instance, here http://maps.djranking s.com/mappings/1 for the VCI-100, or should there be a "TP2.5" mapping page?

Again, thanks for all of your work on these, if the existing functionality can be fixed for 2.5 than DJTT VCI-100 + F1 = BLISS!

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