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A little bit of vdj mapping help needed and a few questions to be answered Posted on: 27.11.2012 by Velia Gant hey guys, i started trying to map and learn these things for myself months ago, real life problems happened and learning about djing + stuff took a backseat , now things are almost back to normaility ive decided to give it another shot, but cant seem to remember much of the stuff i had been trying to learn to do myself before , so i came here in search of some kind soul please help me find the solution to these problems and help me out with the mapping .( i use Virtual dj pro 7.3 on windows os + the Reloop Terminal Mix 4 as a controller with the nothing changed on the basic mapping that comes with it ) Question 1 : which vu meter do a pay attention to? - whilst mixing, i notice the vu meter on my controller is showing different levels to the vu's displayed in virtual dj, i believe that this is due to the tm4 only showing the main output vu, but does that mean i only pay attention to the vu on my controller, and not worry about individual deck vu's clipping and such or pay attention to both the controller and every individual deck vu and stop clipping on all, or make sure that every vu for each deck playing is not clipping and ignore the vu on the controller? Question 2 : Virtual dj default parametic equalizer - The equalizer recieved the update in 7.3 meaning you can set the frequency bands for each knob to control, i have read a few threads on this and totally understand what frequencys to set for each and differences between different settings and how it works etc, but i understand there were also vsts that were far more preferable to vdjs default equalizer before this update, does the update make these vsts useless/not worth getting, or are there vst equalizers that are still better than vdj's new default parametric one ? Question 3 : Mapping for multiple parameters for one effect knob - For example, in the tm4 there are 3 fx buttons and knobs on each side, i use fx button 1 to turn on rollit, i then turn the knob but this only affects the first slider, i want it to control both the first slider and the second slider at the same time, heres is the current mapping for it : KEY: FX1_LEFT ACTION : deck left effect 1 slider 1 ( i select the effects through the reloop tm4 skin ) Question 4 : Map to make cue and cup buttons to behave like this ? - i would like the cue button, if possible, to, whilst a song is playing, create a cue whenever i press it , if i press it again it will then delete the cue/hotcue made previously and move that cue to the point of where i just pressed, enabling me to let me smash the cue button as it comes up to a drop for example, then when im happy its in the right place, use the cup button which happens to be next to the cue button on my controller to play the song from the cuepoint i just set. Question 5 : Linear Vs Quadratic line fader - ive tried to find as much as i can to help me understand this, but im still a little confused, i understand that quadratic is supposed to be better, yet i have found nowhere that tells me what , if any, difference it makes? Thank so much in advance for your time, help + knowledge, it is very very much appreciated! <3 | |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 28.11.2012 | I'm not sure about the LED bar for the VU meter now... It is not in the list for mapping, so now i believe it is hardware based... best to consult the manual for the answer. VDJaddStuff.jpg In regard to the filter you have the option of using any VST so I wouldn't use any made for VDJ. There is two that I can recommend. The best is "Vengance Producer Suite's - VPS PHILTA" there is the free version which is only a filter but it sounds absolutely amazing and you can modify the resonance to suit your sound. The XL version will set you back about $200 but unlocks many new features. but they are more geared towards production. This effect has a slider for highpass and a slider for lowpass, but you can map them to one knob easy enough. My old filter is "quad byte's - qb filter" It sounds good but kinda sharp compared to the warm sound you get with "VPS Philta". but it sounds better than the traktor one by a mile. Everything is modifiable; overdrive, filter type, resonance, lfo, lfo shape, lfo delay, lfo amount etc... there are 12 sliders to customise the exact sound you want. my mapping for this is on the VDJ community . google is your friend here. For any effects, if you want to map a knob to control only one specific effect you can name it in the mapping eg. effect 'effect_name' slider 2 effect 'VPS philta' slider 2. To add stuff to your mapping I just noticed the TM4 has a way to prevent decks 3 & 4 from doing anything if using a 2 deck skin. get decks 2 ? action_deck 3 ? nothing : action_deck 4 ? nothing : filter : filter you just want to change the commands at the end if you want to keep this functionality. get decks 2 ? action_deck 3 ? nothing : action_deck 4 ? nothing : effect 'VPS philta' slider 2 : effect 'VPS philta' slider 2 |
| Velia Gant 27.11.2012 | hey guys, i started trying to map and learn these things for myself months ago, real life problems happened and learning about djing + stuff took a backseat , now things are almost back to normaility ive decided to give it another shot, but cant seem to remember much of the stuff i had been trying to learn to do myself before , so i came here in search of some kind soul please help me find the solution to these problems and help me out with the mapping . ( i use Virtual dj pro 7.3 on windows os + the Reloop Terminal Mix 4 as a controller with the nothing changed on the basic mapping that comes with it ) Question 1 : which vu meter do a pay attention to? - whilst mixing, i notice the vu meter on my controller is showing different levels to the vu's displayed in virtual dj, i believe that this is due to the tm4 only showing the main output vu, but does that mean i only pay attention to the vu on my controller, and not worry about individual deck vu's clipping and such or pay attention to both the controller and every individual deck vu and stop clipping on all, or make sure that every vu for each deck playing is not clipping and ignore the vu on the controller? Question 2 : Virtual dj default parametic equalizer - The equalizer recieved the update in 7.3 meaning you can set the frequency bands for each knob to control, i have read a few threads on this and totally understand what frequencys to set for each and differences between different settings and how it works etc, but i understand there were also vsts that were far more preferable to vdjs default equalizer before this update, does the update make these vsts useless/not worth getting, or are there vst equalizers that are still better than vdj's new default parametric one ? Question 3 : Mapping for multiple parameters for one effect knob - For example, in the tm4 there are 3 fx buttons and knobs on each side, i use fx button 1 to turn on rollit, i then turn the knob but this only affects the first slider, i want it to control both the first slider and the second slider at the same time, heres is the current mapping for it : KEY: FX1_LEFT ACTION : deck left effect 1 slider 1 ( i select the effects through the reloop tm4 skin ) Question 4 : Map to make cue and cup buttons to behave like this ? - i would like the cue button, if possible, to, whilst a song is playing, create a cue whenever i press it , if i press it again it will then delete the cue/hotcue made previously and move that cue to the point of where i just pressed, enabling me to let me smash the cue button as it comes up to a drop for example, then when im happy its in the right place, use the cup button which happens to be next to the cue button on my controller to play the song from the cuepoint i just set. Question 5 : Linear Vs Quadratic line fader - ive tried to find as much as i can to help me understand this, but im still a little confused, i understand that quadratic is supposed to be better, yet i have found nowhere that tells me what , if any, difference it makes? Thank so much in advance for your time, help + knowledge, it is very very much appreciated! <3 |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 11.12.2012 | hey bro, sorry i left you hanging... had to finish up at UNI... It should turn off but the problem is unless you are using 14bit midi it's pretty hard to get exactly 50% due to 7bit midi only having 32 steps from 0% to 100%... To overcome this you could increase the range of where the "off" part of the knob is. eg. param_greater 54% ? effect 'VPS Philta' active on & param_add -50% & param_multiply 200% & effect 'VPS Philta' slider 6 & effect 'VPS Philta' slider 2 100% : param_smaller 46% ? effect 'VPS Philta' active on & param_add 0% & param_multiply 200% & effect 'VPS Philta' slider 2 & effect 'VPS Philta' slider 6 0% : effect 'VPS Philta' active off & effect 'VPS Philta' slider 2 100% & effect 'VPS Philta' slider 6 0% now there is a dead zone between 45% - 55% were the effect will be off.. If you are good at maths or just not satisfied you can play with the "param_add" and "param_multiply" values to get the sliders to start and end in the right position |
| Velia Gant 04.12.2012 | so after lots of looking and playing aroudn with scripts i found, i almost have it, deck 1 param_equal 50% ? deck 1 effect 'VPS philta' active off : deck 1 effect 'VPS philta' active on & deck 1 effect 'VPS philta' slider 2 & deck 1 effect 'VPS philta' slider 3 this makes it work, but it doesnt turn off when i turn it back to 50%, how do i make it do this? |
| Velia Gant 02.12.2012 | im not really sure what to do with that, i only have a filter to map to not a button or anything, and when i copy and pasted the script you put under ''filter knob'' on either on its own or with the existing '' get decks 2 ? action_deck 3 ? nothing : action_deck 4 ? nothing '' it only controls one deck ever no matter what i do and only 1 fader in the vps philta and not active when i turn, only when i click activate in effects tab, all this stuff is farrrrr too complicated for me to understand anything other than copy and paste this script into this key and turn this knob, i know i must be doing something wrong but i cant understand or see what though and i know i am ridiculously useless + clueless with this stuff , i beg you, please save me from further headaches and write exaclty what i need to make this work, else i may end up resorting to ripping the knobs off and using the metal pins below them to smash and impale my head on repeatedly |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 02.12.2012 | this has two different filter effects... the first is the vanilla VPS filter notch style.. second is VPS with ramp_delay (if you don't have it get it from the plugins section of the VDJ Forum) which is really good for transitioning out as you get the smooth echo out and the echo really accentuates the highs if you use the highpass making almost a white noise if you move the knob slowly. The led will blink fast if you have the echo filter shift enabled, or just be on when you have the filter active. To disable the echo shift you just need to press the button again when not shifted and the light should stop blinking. If you want to use the same style of mapping as the TM4 has by default you will need to specify the decks for every action and follow the advice I gave you before. normal button var 'rampflt' ? effect 'VPS philta' active off & effect 'ramp_delay' active off & set 'rampflt' 0 : effect 'VPS philta' active shifted button toggle 'rampflt' & effect 'VPS philta' active & effect 'ramp_delay' slider 2 0% & effect 'ramp_delay' active normal LED var 'rampflt' ? blink 300ms : effect 'VPS philta' active on ? on : off shifted LED var 'rampflt' ? blink 300ms : off filter knob var 'rampflt' ? param_equal 50% ? effect 'ramp_delay' slider 1 0% & effect 'ramp_delay' active off & effect 'VPS philta' slider 2 100% & effect 'VPS philta' slider 6 0% & effect 'ramp_delay' active off : param_smaller 50% ? effect 'ramp_delay' slider 1 0% & param_multiply 200% & effect 'VPS philta' slider 2 & effect 'ramp_delay' active off : param_add -50% & param_multiply 200% & effect 'VPS philta' slider 6 & effect 'ramp_delay' active on & effect 'ramp_delay' slider 1 & effect 'ramp_delay' slider 2 50% : param_equal 50% ? effect 'VPS philta' slider 2 100% & effect 'VPS philta' slider 6 0% : param_smaller 50% ? param_multiply 200% & effect 'VPS philta' slider 2 : param_add -50% & param_multiply 200% & effect 'VPS philta' slider 6 |
| Velia Gant 02.12.2012 | ah yeh i switched that around too forgot to mention, it still did nothing so maybe its the new eq, and ahh makes sense silly me :P and funnily enough ive literally just been practising using jog to keep the tracks i have that gradually drift in beat + what was that filter script? |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 02.12.2012 | whoops... I wrote it the wrong way around lol param_equal 0% ? eq_kill_low 1 : eq_kill_low 0 & eq_low disabling smart cue will allow you to fire multiple cue point presses like Ean does... With it enabled you can't fire the hot cues rapidly as sometimes it will wait for the next cbg point. That's what jogs are for if you miss the phase of the track... but you could always press sync again although I believe that is an unnecessary crutch after you get to an intermediate stage of djing skill. Also I have never tested the eq kill with the new eq so it may not work, but give it a try anyway. |
| Velia Gant 02.12.2012 | ok cheers mate , i do have smart cue enabled but am just using regular old buttons, i wondered if it were possible to make it so that you could press it as fast as, or have it respond as , say, the midi fighter using traktor in the very first 10 or so seconds in ean golden's midi fighter mix, and thankfully i changed the cup function with the help you gave me above :P to set a point everytime i press and the cue button to trigger it which works great and gives some use to the buttons!, also in this thread, in an above post you wrote ''If you want to use the parametric eq you can map the knobs to kill the frequency when the knob is at 0 similar to how serato does it. param_equal 0% ? eq_low_kill 1 : eq_kill_low 0 & eq_low '' i copy + pasted this , changing only the words high mid and low around for each seperate key and yet it seemed to make no difference at all to the eq's sound? i probably did something wrong, or dont understand it properly, its my understanding that with the code working as intended with all three eq's set down you should be able to hear nothing? |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 02.12.2012 | hey bro... I'll get you the script I used on my mates filter when I get home... In regard to the button, check if you have "smart cue" enabled... It will basically beatlock the track when you jump to a cue... You can only change the sensitivity if you are using a velocity sensitive button, although if you are using the default cup mapping the action it does is reset to the cue point when you press and play when you release... I believe it is to emulate the action of releasing a record... I hate the function of it personally and would just remap it to "cue" so the cue point triggers on the downward press. |
| Velia Gant 30.11.2012 | another thing ive wondered is is there a way to change to response time for buttons,for instance, when you press say, a hotcue, it seems if i really mash a hotcue button it will only jump every time it gets to half of the way through the beat, instead of jumping to the point everytime i press it? |
| Velia Gant 29.11.2012 | thanks again, so i read and re-read everything you wrote, downloaded the free version of vps philta, copy and pasted your code over the pre-existing code to the mapper and a few things happened: the filters no longer show movement on the skin, although i move the filter and the correct slider in the effect tab does move, the skin stays as if i did nothing it seems to only work once u hit activate for the specific deck's filter you were trying to control in the effects menu + it only worked on deck 1 + 2's filter's , i couldnt get 3 or 4 to respond. + i know @djcoops75, hes a one man vdj tech support team! |
| Branda Varnado 28.11.2012 | Reklusive... this is the man to listen to! |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 28.11.2012 | I'm not sure about the LED bar for the VU meter now... It is not in the list for mapping, so now i believe it is hardware based... best to consult the manual for the answer. VDJaddStuff.jpg In regard to the filter you have the option of using any VST so I wouldn't use any made for VDJ. There is two that I can recommend. The best is "Vengance Producer Suite's - VPS PHILTA" there is the free version which is only a filter but it sounds absolutely amazing and you can modify the resonance to suit your sound. The XL version will set you back about $200 but unlocks many new features. but they are more geared towards production. This effect has a slider for highpass and a slider for lowpass, but you can map them to one knob easy enough. My old filter is "quad byte's - qb filter" It sounds good but kinda sharp compared to the warm sound you get with "VPS Philta". but it sounds better than the traktor one by a mile. Everything is modifiable; overdrive, filter type, resonance, lfo, lfo shape, lfo delay, lfo amount etc... there are 12 sliders to customise the exact sound you want. my mapping for this is on the VDJ community . google is your friend here. For any effects, if you want to map a knob to control only one specific effect you can name it in the mapping eg. effect 'effect_name' slider 2 effect 'VPS philta' slider 2. To add stuff to your mapping I just noticed the TM4 has a way to prevent decks 3 & 4 from doing anything if using a 2 deck skin. get decks 2 ? action_deck 3 ? nothing : action_deck 4 ? nothing : filter : filter you just want to change the commands at the end if you want to keep this functionality. get decks 2 ? action_deck 3 ? nothing : action_deck 4 ? nothing : effect 'VPS philta' slider 2 : effect 'VPS philta' slider 2 |
| Velia Gant 28.11.2012 | hey man ! , cheers for the help i pretty much got everything sorted now i do have a couple of follow up questions, question 1: which key in my mapper do i put this code ( doesnt seem to be one saying vu or anything) + i dont believe im 100% clear on what it actually does, will this make all vu's show the same? or map the controller vu to show the correct vu info i should be looking just that and so enable me to forget about the vus in the program ? i'm confuzzled secret hidden 'forgotten to put in OP' question 6 + 7 : how do i change out the default vdj filter and use the effect 'djm 850 filter' instead? or is there one you would recommend over this? , also I saw a video by a guy called djiceman a while ago and he was goin on about the regtool and editing certain things, however he decided to go and get himself banned on youtube and so i have lost the video, would u mind telling me the things i should play about with/change in it ? thanks a lot synth!! |
| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 28.11.2012 | this is my type of thread LOL... Question 1 : which vu meter do a pay attention to? I don't have a controller capable of displaying VU meters to give advice on performance, but in VDJ you can map them to the master, individual decks or individual decks in stereo. There is two more options aswell.. you can use the pre fader level or the post fader vu meter mapping them is as simple as get level get vu_meter for individual decks deck left get level deck right get vu_meter for stereo decks get vu_meter_left get level_right Question 2 : Virtual dj default parametic equalizer The parametric eq is amazing quality, but it depends how you mix as the new eq doesn't have full 26db cut. I used to use "minimal systems instruments - ultimate 3 band" which is fantastic quality with customisable eq frequencies, but this one has full cut. The one thing that lets this VST down when used in VDJ is that it has to buffer the audio so scratching on my system "which is pretty crap" sounds horrible when the effect is activated. I have posted the script for the eq on here, doing a google search should bring up the thread. If you want to use the parametric eq you can map the knobs to kill the frequency when the knob is at 0 similar to how serato does it. param_equal 0% ? eq_low_kill 1 : eq_kill_low 0 & eq_low Question 3 : Mapping for multiple parameters for one effect knob This is easy... just use the operator '&' to chain script eg. effect 'rollit' slider 1 & effect 'rollit' slider 2 you can scale the amount the knob moves the effect slider, reverse it or change the starting location. You can even make button presses occur in different sections of the knob... I love rollit, but honestly chackl's new slipmode V2 is much better IMO and makes vdj operate very similar to itch's loop roll. Question 4 : Map to make cue and cup buttons to behave like this ? - yep you can do that too set_cue 5 "you can use any cue number between 1 and 99". Then for the cup button something like this. It has a fall back to the standard function if you have not set the cue. hot_cue 5 ? hot_cue 5 : cue Question 5 : Linear Vs Quadratic line fader - linear is an even increase/decrease in volume, quadratic changes the amount the volume is cut. from the top it changes the level more than down the bottom... I personally prefer linear as I like to be in full control. hope that helps |
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