Should I bother learning how to DJ with vinyl??
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Should I bother learning how to DJ with vinyl?? Posted on: 14.06.2011 by Trinh Sochia I caught the vinyl bug a while ago. I've been slowly building a collection of records. I started out with Digital Djing on Traktor and Ableton, but something is constantly pulling me to vinyl. My setup right now uses a 2 ch vestex mixer to mix between sound coming from Traktor and Ableton. I also own an Audio Technica AT-LP120 that I use with Traktor for a bit of DVS. I've been looking on ebay trying to score a second one. Best case I'll get one for $170. Besides the gear
, vinyl is fucking expensive...I can use my time codes and just do DVS, but idk. it will never be the same. Has anyone picked up vinyl gear and regretted it? Is it even worth learning how to DJ with vinyl these days? Thanks! | |
| Margie Pavell 14.06.2011 |
Originally Posted by Frank112916
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| Margie Pavell 14.06.2011 |
Originally Posted by ellgieff
it's called backwards compatible... if i have vinyl then maybe i should give myself the option to use it... |
| Rosenda Gossage 14.06.2011 |
Originally Posted by keithace
It makes me sad. Recorded music should be forever. *edit: making it clear I'm talking about recorded music, rather than a live performance |
| Dino Hapgood 14.06.2011 |
Originally Posted by keithace
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 14.06.2011 | How doesn't it? Vinyl is a pain in the ass to acquire. |
| Margie Pavell 14.06.2011 | i love these threads... i came from vinyl...i have no idea what to do with midi...i am still learning... i have a crap load of vinyl you can't get on wav or mp3... the logic of "i have mp3s you can't get on vinyl" doesn't work... |
| Dorie Scelzo 14.06.2011 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 14.06.2011 | Good thing some bright spark came up with digital vinyl emulation eh? One thing I really like about vinyl is the fact you've got this physical product, sometimes I really want to buy something more than just the music itself. I want an object, something a bit more real and emotional. I'd still get a file too for general listening and for use with a dvs though. |
| Dorie Scelzo 14.06.2011 |
Originally Posted by menez
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 14.06.2011 | + They degrade over time. + The music will most likely have started life as a .wav file on some producers computer. |
| Rosenda Gossage 14.06.2011 |
Originally Posted by menez
I've seen a case made to suggest that even in very, very expensive audiophile gear , the resolution possible is lower than the 16 bits a CD gives. Aside from anything else: hiss, pop, crack. That's _not_ how it was recorded, and is an unavoidable consequence of the technology. |
| Jayna Cristofori 14.06.2011 | I thought vinyl had better quality than regular CD's or digital files. Vinyl is analog so its exactly how it was recorded... digital is just snapshots so it is not the full wave as it was recorded. |
| Dorie Scelzo 14.06.2011 |
Originally Posted by photojojo
Frankly, I share that sentiment. But that has nothing to do with hating the gear or the minset. But, yeah, it is funny.
Originally Posted by buckwilder
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 14.06.2011 | That's criminal. |
| Pansy Shiveley 14.06.2011 | BigC got 2 1200's for 140$ |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 14.06.2011 | + vinyl gets the bitches, right? So bigc, do you use CDJs or anything? |
| Audrey Pinda 14.06.2011 | I've contemplated that very argument for over a year now. And finally decided that learning to beatmatch manually (on whatever system) is the way to go. Know your roots, then branch out from there. I really like all the digital stuff going on. It's fucking amazing, and it's a lot cheaper to get into the whole game these days. But there's something to be said for at least having the experience of doing it the "traditional" way, and then making the choice to move on from it. It's silly, but that shit counts for a lot in the industry. |
| Chara Blumenfeld 14.06.2011 | I started out Djing a while ago on controllers to learn all the basics as I simply didn't have the money for a vinyl setup/records, but that is the ultimate goal that I am working towards. You see quite a few evening s plugged as vinyl only, Soul Clap did their essential selection on vinyl only...vinyl will always persist I believe. |
| Leeanna Ayla 14.06.2011 | I wonder if all the haters on 'other' sites would ever believe that the majority answer to a question like this on here would be to do vinyl. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 14.06.2011 | This is a really personal issue, you should decide for yourself man. |
| Dorie Scelzo 14.06.2011 | TL;DR the shit show. I don't regret selling my turntables one bit (had 3 1210s at one point). |
| Christel Croak 14.06.2011 | Why not compromise with the best of both worlds Use your dvs system, and play a vinyl every once in a while, i'm guessing most mixers have phono-line input switches. There's a great video of this being done (0:45): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwkLIPqpuZA |
| Roy Houn 14.06.2011 | get some, i did and i love it |
| Spencer Kilcoyne 14.06.2011 |
Originally Posted by StephanV
Also it's loads nicer to scratch on ... |
| Pansy Shiveley 14.06.2011 | I'm picking up some tt's too, I really want to know what vinyl is like. I'n gonna stick to dvs because I can't afford (and don't really see the point in) buying vinyls, but I believe it's going to be a lot of fun! |
| Branden Wentler 14.06.2011 | do it! i'm picking up a pair of Stantons next month when home on vacation (I know home on vacation sounds odd) |
| Irene Larner 14.06.2011 |
Originally Posted by Nicky H
There's hardly any difference between DVS and vinyl, handling-wise. |
| Spencer Kilcoyne 14.06.2011 | HAd a really nice session last evening
- strictly vinyl - for the first time ever. A mate came over to dinner with a sack of records and we had a couple of bottles of wine in the manshed and played random tunes to one another. Twas damn good fun |
| Janyce Henningson 14.06.2011 |
Originally Posted by bumtsch
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| Delila Vandommelen 14.06.2011 | Yes, it's a lot of fun and it can come in handy if you have to spin with someone who uses vinyl/dvs. If in doubt, stick to DVS - best of both worlds - and spring for a piece of vinyl you really like every now and then for those quick "unplugged" sessions with no laptop |
| Marshall Aby 14.06.2011 | this again |
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