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Recording/ripping vinyl Posted on: 12.11.2011 by Fredda Klarman I'm on a pretty hefty budget after purchasing my turntables and a few records so I need to make sure if I have this right before I go out and buy. I googled the easiest way to get this done, and if I have it right all I would need is an rca cable leading from my mixer (from line out) to my laptop's headphone jack and some recording software. Just thought I'd confirm whether or not this is correct.
Aleta Jevtic 20.02.2012	Originally Posted by idoc Hi, I'm trying to rip my vinyl also using Audacity. What I have found is that the play back is not as clear. I mean its pretty good but I can tell there is a difference when you play it back but my wife says its the same. I'm more of an audiophile tho.. Anyways, is it necessary to use an audio interface or can I just go from mixer to mic in on my laptop? Any recording tips to improve the recording quality? Thanks. Necessary? No but it would be better since audio interfaces process audio better than the typical soundcard on a laptop.
Rosina Stanford 24.12.2011	Originally Posted by djproben I'm no expert but I'm not sure I agree - if that were true all mixers would sound exactly the same when fed the same line-level signal with all the EQs flat. I don't believe they do. I've not tried an ABX test but I'm pretty sure some mixers sound different from others even with the controls flat. But anyway like I acknowledge since the beginning, we're basically splitting hairs here and gone well beyond reasonable advice for someone just trying to digitize some vinyl records. I am not splitting hairs I am just passing conversation. I am a very technical person and my response is based on real world experience using my gear . There is no guessing on my part on the gear I own for I have a full understanding on what they will produce. When you are unsure of what your gear can and cannot do, this is when speculation comes into play. ABX tests are based on human perception. It does not tell you anything about audio gear from a technical standpoint. For that, it must be measured. In the event there is a huge audible difference when both audio devices are configured flat it means one of the two is faulty and should be measured to view what is taking place. Cheers!
Rosina Stanford 23.12.2011	Originally Posted by djproben Yes you're correct but we were talking about two different things; I meant that if the mixer colors the sound (which it would whether the source is line or phono, otherwise a CD would sound drastically different from an LP of the same song), it will color it twice when you play a file that was recorded through the mixer, through the same mixer. I believe that's true unless I'm missing something, though in practical terms it probably won't make much of a difference unless you're really listening for it. That is the reason you would record with the tone controls positioned flat. Pending on the mixer, you may even have a designated record out which does not attain the signal from driver stage (Master Level section) found in the mixer. Any deviation would be less than one decibel, which is well below human hearing ability in terms of dB detection. Unless the mixer is faulty, it would be more to wards psychosomatic on the listener’s part.
Danae Dumler 23.12.2011	Originally Posted by DJ Abercrombie What I am explaining is there is no additional noise added since the Line input is low-level input, which offers a lower noise floor than a Phono input. A Phono input offers a high level input, which offers a higher noise floor. If we were sending a high level output in a high level input, then you would encounter more noise. The outputs of a computer are high levels, which is why, the signal is sent to a line input and not a Phono input. Cheers! Yes you're correct but we were talking about two different things; I meant that if the mixer colors the sound (which it would whether the source is line or phono, otherwise a CD would sound drastically different from an LP of the same song), it will color it twice when you play a file that was recorded through the mixer, through the same mixer. I believe that's true unless I'm missing something, though in practical terms it probably won't make much of a difference unless you're really listening for it.
Rosina Stanford 23.12.2011	Originally Posted by djproben So you're saying there is no coloration of the sound if you go through the line inputs? I guess how much will depend on the mixer but I believe you're wrong. But I believe we're talking about two different things - obviously any coloration unique to the phono circuit won't be added again, but certainly whatever else the mixer adds would be. What I am explaining is there is no additional noise added since the Line input is low-level input, which offers a lower noise floor than a Phono input. A Phono input offers a high level input, which offers a higher noise floor. If we were sending a high level output in a high level input, then you would encounter more noise. The outputs of a computer are high levels, which is why, the signal is sent to a line input and not a Phono input. Cheers!
Rosina Stanford 22.12.2011	Originally Posted by djproben As long as you're not playing your digital media through your mixer, this makes sense. But if you play it through the same mixer you recorded it on, you are adding whatever noise you added the first time, a second time. I don't know who told you that. Possibly someone who is not familiar with the differences between a Phono input and a line source in terms of noise amongst the two. Once you play back the digital recording of the vinyl recording in the line input of the DJ Mixer used to make the recording, you are not going to gain more noise for the signal to noise ratio will be the same just as if you were playing through the Phono input using a Turntable through the DJ Mixer.
Danae Dumler 22.12.2011	Originally Posted by DJ Abercrombie I've used the same mixer for decades so I am not looking for my vinyl to sound "different" once transfered to digital media. As long as you're not playing your digital media through your mixer, this makes sense. But if you play it through the same mixer you recorded it on, you are adding whatever noise you added the first time, a second time. That's why people are suggesting an "esoteric" preamp. It's not really esoteric - there's one in your mixer already. But it's true that the mixer colors the sound more dramatically than the preamp by itself (which also colors the sound by the way -- in fact that's part of its job is to run it through an RIAA curve). But in practical terms I believe both sides are right here - your vinyl will sound just fine recorded through your mixer, and the additional noise you add when you play the recorded file back through your mixer won't make enough difference to be all that noticeable unless your mixer is crap or you have precious golden ears. I am not sure I would be able to tell the difference really, especially if the mixer is a good one with a low noise floor. I imagine you'll notice a lot more difference in the sound based on the cartridge and speakers you choose.
Nella Libin 22.12.2011	Don't get me wrong, the advice offered from all camps is good advice, external soundcard, stand alone preamp or the phono stage of his mixer and a
Dorie Scelzo 22.12.2011	He asked for advice and I/we gave it, admitting that it was expensive. In an ideal world, he'd use a good, discrete preamp and a halfway decent audio interface to rip it. If he can't afford it, he just needs to get it to line level, like he can with his mixer
Aleta Jevtic 20.02.2012	Originally Posted by idoc Hi, I'm trying to rip my vinyl also using Audacity. What I have found is that the play back is not as clear. I mean its pretty good but I can tell there is a difference when you play it back but my wife says its the same. I'm more of an audiophile tho.. Anyways, is it necessary to use an audio interface or can I just go from mixer to mic in on my laptop? Any recording tips to improve the recording quality? Thanks. Necessary? No but it would be better since audio interfaces process audio better than the typical soundcard on a laptop.
Markita Barchard 20.02.2012	Hi, I'm trying to rip my vinyl also using Audacity. What I have found is that the play back is not as clear. I mean its pretty good but I can tell there is a difference when you play it back but my wife says its the same. I'm more of an audiophile tho... Anyways, is it necessary to use an audio interface or can I just go from mixer to mic in on my laptop? Any recording tips to improve the recording quality? Thanks.
Rosina Stanford 24.12.2011	Originally Posted by djproben I'm no expert but I'm not sure I agree - if that were true all mixers would sound exactly the same when fed the same line-level signal with all the EQs flat. I don't believe they do. I've not tried an ABX test but I'm pretty sure some mixers sound different from others even with the controls flat. But anyway like I acknowledge since the beginning, we're basically splitting hairs here and gone well beyond reasonable advice for someone just trying to digitize some vinyl records. I am not splitting hairs I am just passing conversation. I am a very technical person and my response is based on real world experience using my gear . There is no guessing on my part on the gear I own for I have a full understanding on what they will produce. When you are unsure of what your gear can and cannot do, this is when speculation comes into play. ABX tests are based on human perception. It does not tell you anything about audio gear from a technical standpoint. For that, it must be measured. In the event there is a huge audible difference when both audio devices are configured flat it means one of the two is faulty and should be measured to view what is taking place. Cheers!
Danae Dumler 23.12.2011	I'm no expert but I'm not sure I agree - if that were true all mixers would sound exactly the same when fed the same line-level signal with all the EQs flat. I don't believe they do. I've not tried an ABX test but I'm pretty sure some mixers sound different from others even with the controls flat. But anyway like I acknowledge since the beginning, we're basically splitting hairs here and gone well beyond reasonable advice for someone just trying to digitize some vinyl records.
Rosina Stanford 23.12.2011	Originally Posted by djproben Yes you're correct but we were talking about two different things; I meant that if the mixer colors the sound (which it would whether the source is line or phono, otherwise a CD would sound drastically different from an LP of the same song), it will color it twice when you play a file that was recorded through the mixer, through the same mixer. I believe that's true unless I'm missing something, though in practical terms it probably won't make much of a difference unless you're really listening for it. That is the reason you would record with the tone controls positioned flat. Pending on the mixer, you may even have a designated record out which does not attain the signal from driver stage (Master Level section) found in the mixer. Any deviation would be less than one decibel, which is well below human hearing ability in terms of dB detection. Unless the mixer is faulty, it would be more to wards psychosomatic on the listener’s part.
Nella Libin 23.12.2011	Very true...
Danae Dumler 23.12.2011	True, everything does. And that's why I said it really doesn't make a huge difference in practical terms. But if you're trying to be as neutral as possible you probably don't want to add the same coloration (whether it's noise, distortion, EQ boost, or whatever) a second time when you play it back. But really these differences are so minor as to be practically unnoticeable. (Then again, as far as stylus goes, the coloration can be quite dramatic, so that's probably a bad example -- listening with my Shure M447 is a world of difference to listening to the same record with my Shure M97xe. It's like evening and day. Far more difference than what we're talking about with the mixer).
Nella Libin 23.12.2011	You are aware that choice of stylus also colours the sound? Where d'ya wanna stop?
Danae Dumler 23.12.2011	Originally Posted by DJ Abercrombie What I am explaining is there is no additional noise added since the Line input is low-level input, which offers a lower noise floor than a Phono input. A Phono input offers a high level input, which offers a higher noise floor. If we were sending a high level output in a high level input, then you would encounter more noise. The outputs of a computer are high levels, which is why, the signal is sent to a line input and not a Phono input. Cheers! Yes you're correct but we were talking about two different things; I meant that if the mixer colors the sound (which it would whether the source is line or phono, otherwise a CD would sound drastically different from an LP of the same song), it will color it twice when you play a file that was recorded through the mixer, through the same mixer. I believe that's true unless I'm missing something, though in practical terms it probably won't make much of a difference unless you're really listening for it.
Nella Libin 23.12.2011	True story -Once upon a time, i was a nugget. Once i had no kids and a ridiculously well paid job, so it was audiophile everything, bi wired floor standers set the exact millimetre away from the wall, oxygen free omnidirectional interconnects at umpteen pound a meter with gold terminals... You get the picture Then the kids came along and life changed... Along with selling the Mountainbike and DJ gear, the hifi also got flogged - Replaced with the mid level AIWA separates which i'm still sat here listening to today and Boy child number 1 was 14 years old on the 20th... I digress- each component of this aiwa, apart from the decks mixer and midi controller is connected with a flat ribbon cable, the speaker wire was a fiver for 10 meter from Maplin. The original speakers blew up years ago doing tone tests trying to annoy the next door neighbours pain in the arse excuse for a dog. So the only concession to HI FI are the TDL Nucleus speakers. I cant tell any difference in sound quality, especially the silences, which was what the marketing men at the hi fi shops said was the mark of real high end hifi. Anything can make loud music, but when the musician makes a silent bit, hi fi reproduces that silence truthfully, no hum hiss or whatever. This couple of hundred quid AIWA must be a true hi fi then and has been for the last decade And before anyone starts up, apart a very slight drop in the upper range of my left ear, my hearing is way above average for my age. The lesson i learned was a fool and their money are soon parted, and i must have been a right tit.
Rosina Stanford 23.12.2011	Originally Posted by djproben So you're saying there is no coloration of the sound if you go through the line inputs? I guess how much will depend on the mixer but I believe you're wrong. But I believe we're talking about two different things - obviously any coloration unique to the phono circuit won't be added again, but certainly whatever else the mixer adds would be. What I am explaining is there is no additional noise added since the Line input is low-level input, which offers a lower noise floor than a Phono input. A Phono input offers a high level input, which offers a higher noise floor. If we were sending a high level output in a high level input, then you would encounter more noise. The outputs of a computer are high levels, which is why, the signal is sent to a line input and not a Phono input. Cheers!
Danae Dumler 23.12.2011	So you're saying there is no coloration of the sound if you go through the line inputs? I guess how much will depend on the mixer but I believe you're wrong. But I believe we're talking about two different things - obviously any coloration unique to the phono circuit won't be added again, but certainly whatever else the mixer adds would be.
Rosina Stanford 22.12.2011	Originally Posted by djproben As long as you're not playing your digital media through your mixer, this makes sense. But if you play it through the same mixer you recorded it on, you are adding whatever noise you added the first time, a second time. I don't know who told you that. Possibly someone who is not familiar with the differences between a Phono input and a line source in terms of noise amongst the two. Once you play back the digital recording of the vinyl recording in the line input of the DJ Mixer used to make the recording, you are not going to gain more noise for the signal to noise ratio will be the same just as if you were playing through the Phono input using a Turntable through the DJ Mixer.
Danae Dumler 22.12.2011	Originally Posted by DJ Abercrombie I've used the same mixer for decades so I am not looking for my vinyl to sound "different" once transfered to digital media. As long as you're not playing your digital media through your mixer, this makes sense. But if you play it through the same mixer you recorded it on, you are adding whatever noise you added the first time, a second time. That's why people are suggesting an "esoteric" preamp. It's not really esoteric - there's one in your mixer already. But it's true that the mixer colors the sound more dramatically than the preamp by itself (which also colors the sound by the way -- in fact that's part of its job is to run it through an RIAA curve). But in practical terms I believe both sides are right here - your vinyl will sound just fine recorded through your mixer, and the additional noise you add when you play the recorded file back through your mixer won't make enough difference to be all that noticeable unless your mixer is crap or you have precious golden ears. I am not sure I would be able to tell the difference really, especially if the mixer is a good one with a low noise floor. I imagine you'll notice a lot more difference in the sound based on the cartridge and speakers you choose.
Nella Libin 22.12.2011	Don't get me wrong, the advice offered from all camps is good advice, external soundcard, stand alone preamp or the phono stage of his mixer and a
Dorie Scelzo 22.12.2011	He asked for advice and I/we gave it, admitting that it was expensive. In an ideal world, he'd use a good, discrete preamp and a halfway decent audio interface to rip it. If he can't afford it, he just needs to get it to line level, like he can with his mixer
Rosina Stanford 22.12.2011	Originally Posted by U-31 Why are so many of you obsessed with suggesting the purchase of extra or needlessly expensive gear for doing a job that he is already amply equipped to do? This ain't an attack on anyone, but an observation... I believe there is an assumption by some that their DJ Mixer is not good enough to send a signal to a computer’s sound card to make a recording. Possibly some are not technically inclined and are assuming the worse. It could be an issue of hearing other people buying esoteric preamps for recording vinyl in their computer other than the unit they’ve grown accustomed to when, playing vinyl for years. I've used the same mixer for decades so I am not looking for my vinyl to sound "different" once transfered to digital media.
Nella Libin 21.12.2011	Right then lets look at this step by step. He has just bought two decks and a mixer. The purchase has left his wallet light. He says so himself in his first post. Now i'm gonna make an assumption, He might not have an RCA to jackplug lead (
Nisha Latkowski 21.12.2011	Pick up a second hand audio 8/4 they have built in phono preamps, and if your worried about spending money DJing is not for you....
Nella Libin 21.12.2011
Rosina Stanford 21.12.2011	It appears some DJs here are not poverty stricken and have no idea what is layaway when buying gear .
Nella Libin 21.12.2011	In the short time i've been on this community , the solution to every single problem lies in buying expensive gear ! How the hell did a poverty stricken kid from Bolton, from one of the areas worst estates, who was either unemployed - because the late nineteen eighties could show todays times of austerity a trick or two, or on some pittance paying YTS scheme ever get out and play music?
Nella Libin 21.12.2011	THIS^^^^^ You knows it.
Rosina Stanford 20.12.2011	If you like the sound of vinyl playing through your DJ mixer, use your DJ mixer and have your tone controls configured in a flat position. If you want your vinyl to sound like something you are not familiar with in terms of sound, by all means purchase one of those esoteric phono preamplifiers.
Dorie Scelzo 20.12.2011	Originally Posted by hamza21 That's not bad thing. In most cases it's a good thing unless you have a mixer that is 10 years old or older. Unless you have budget mixer like pyle,behringer or stanton mixers (the under $200 ones) one's mixer should be just fine for recording. It's a good thing to add noise? BTW, DJ mixers are noisy as hell. Even the good ones. The "right" way to do it is with a phono preamp and an audio interface (or an audio interface that has a preamp), but that's also a lot more expensive than an RCA -> Stereo Mini cable. But realistically
Kesha Orde 19.12.2011	Yeah, like vintage mixers all sound like POS because they're so old. In fact I might go round to my parents and smash all my dad's vintage guitars. They're just SO OUTDATED GIRLFRIEND!
Ngan Ernestine 19.12.2011	Originally Posted by captainmidevening id recommend you get a phono preamp and hook it up directly to your soundcard and avoid recording through the mixer (most mixers color the sound). +1 Originally Posted by hamza21 that's not bad thing. In most cases it's a good thing unless you have a mixer that is 10 years old or older. Unless you have budget mixer like pyle,behringer or stanton mixers (the under $200 ones) one's mixer should be just fine for recording. -1
Nella Libin 19.12.2011	It just sounds good. Edit: The statement sounds good with the superfluous wordage, not the less than 10 year old mixer BTW...
Kesha Orde 18.12.2011	Originally Posted by hamza21 That's not bad thing. In most cases it's a good thing unless you have a mixer that is 10 years old or older. Unless you have budget mixer like pyle,behringer or stanton mixers (the under $200 ones) one's mixer should be just fine for recording. What's with the ten year cutoff?
Aleta Jevtic 11.11.2011	Originally Posted by CaptainMidevening (most mixers color the sound). That's not bad thing. In most cases it's a good thing unless you have a mixer that is 10 years old or older. Unless you have budget mixer like pyle,behringer or stanton mixers (the under $200 ones) one's mixer should be just fine for recording.
Fredda Klarman 11.11.2011	I'll keep that in mind. Gotta try it out straight through the mixer first.

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