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So does anyone spin just vinyl anymore?
Posted on: 17.01.2012 by Audrey Pinda
Does anyone on here spin purely on vinyl anymore?

This is my question.

I know there is one evening locally where the resident DJ's always spin DnB on vinyl. They never use CDJ's or DVS, and they keep up with the times and also throwback some serious chibs. But that's pretty much it. (Elements @ The Phoenix Landing in Cambridge, MA. Excellent, excellent weekly if anyone is ever in the area).

I've even heard Andy C has moved to Traktor? I've seen him a few times and I've only seen him spin straight vinyl, so I don't know if it's true or not.

I know it may sound odd, but there's something I just love about spinning on vinyl. I'm not good at beat-matching it yet honestly, but I'm working on it. As I recently came into a huge amount of early 2000's DnB vinyl, it's been almost nostalgic to listen to. (That's about the same time I really started getting into EDM... DnB specifically). And there's just something wonderful about not having a computer hooked up.

As I "mostly" listen to Dubstep, and I don't have much of a vinyl collection, it's a tough call for me. I've been debating selling serato and putting that money toward getting a solid bunch of records... But as I've never really been a vinyl junky, and it's a pain in the ass to get, is it even worth it at this point? I have Serato and it's nice being able to mix my Mp3's. But I almost feel the need to go "backwards" and start being the guy who spins vinyl. Because no one does that shit anymore, and I really enjoy seeing a DJ spinning on straight vinyl, and almost feel it could be a competitive edge in this market which is loads of people trying to get in on DJing.

And as much as I appreciate the controllers coming out, it really is spamming the scene with kids who don't know how to mix for shit. I mean, I've never played out myself yet, but you can tell. And I don't want to get into a pissing contest about it, but it reinvigorates my want to just play vinyl. Because playing on vinyl isn't something you can do overevening .

Anyone else feel a similar pull? Or am I alone on this one lol
Lashawn Maycock
12.03.2012
I added an S4 to my 1210s just over a year ago and must say I've noticed a massive saving in my pocket when it comes to aquiring tunage, plus gaining access to upfront promos is easier (although I very much miss the record shop interaction and getting a copy of 'that promo' before others, which sadly no longer really applies). I've not bought vinyl for a few years but have amassed between 5000 and 6000 records since the early 90s. At the peak in the early 2000s I would probably spend on average about
Kami Sawan
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by dripstep
I spin on both DVS and vinyl. My buddy hooked me up with a crate of early 90s house, plus I have a pile of dnb, and love just throwing on records, and turning off the computer.
Must be nice. 90's House on vinyl. Sold my 1000 record collection 2002.
Danae Dumler
21.01.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
I haven't heard one.
Oscar Peterson's Nigerian Marketplace
Danae Dumler
21.01.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
hour twenty from my front door to my home boys place on beechwood and franklin...
hahah I'm at gramercy and franklin, literally walking distance. PM me next time you head out this way!
Dorie Scelzo
20.01.2012
Parts of that are wrong, but in general, yes
Dorie Scelzo
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
Bass sounds just fine on vinyl. Yes you're right technically but saying it "shows no life" or "barely counts as music" is an exaggeration, to say the least. The thing is, you need to engineer music differently for vinyl than you would for digital. I believe stuff that was recorded for vinyl sounds better on vinyl; stuff that was recorded for digital sounds better on CD. I don't believe it's going to sound "dull and lifeless" either way unless the music is dull and lifeless -- hell, I have 78s that sound full of life on my wind-up victrola (BTW you guys who complain about the lows on KRK monitors ought to listen to music played through a stainless steel needle and a metal cone some time, heh!) But in either case you're right the vinyl experience is not about sound quality or durability. It's just a hell of a lot more fun!
Of course it was an exaggeration. I still believe it's a valid counter to so many people wanking about "analog sound quality" that just isn't there and never was.

Originally Posted by zimfella
so a full traktor scratch liscence, sound card setup is just shy of
Margie Pavell
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by zimfella
so a full traktor scratch liscence, sound card setup is just shy of
Margie Pavell
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
Hah yeah man let's party I'm free toevening ! (But aren't you like 3 hrs away?)
hour twenty from my front door to my home boys place on beechwood and franklin...
Hanna Ridenbaugh
20.01.2012
so a full traktor scratch liscence, sound card setup is just shy of
Ira Alsadi
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
But in either case you're right the vinyl experience is not about sound quality or durability. It's just a hell of a lot more fun!
Cheers to that! ^^^
Danae Dumler
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
And the weird thing is that I believe vinyl is a crap medium. Its limited dynamic range and the RIAA EQ curve mean that your bass has to be compressed to all hell and shows basically no life
Rosina Stanford
19.01.2012
Since I grew up when everyone played records at parties (Not because it was a cool thing but more to wards records being the standard) I fall into what the Americans state as… “Old School.”

I recall in the 1990’s, I would spend no less than
Dorie Scelzo
19.01.2012
As for the OP's actual question:

There are several DJs in Atlanta that still spin vinyl. Hip Hop seems to have completely moved on to SSL, which strikes me as odd. A good number of people use SSL or Traktor, and CDJs dominate the scene. But there are a few really good DJs in the hipster-y house scene (spinning house, tech, deep, funk, soul, rare groove, old hip hop, etc.) that still spin exclusively vinyl. And they're a lot of fun to listen to. The venue is receptive to a lot of stuff
Larraine Hannum
19.03.2012
Started DJing in 2008 with a pair of TT's and a small stack of Vinyl. Needless to say after about 18 months or so and hundreds/thousands of dollars spent on records, and countless hours digging through used record shops, I felt the urge to go digital.

I do miss the experience of driving around all day Sunday, hitting up the various record shops (most of which are gone now) and finding those rare gems. But then I just go on beatport and download a ton of new material and my blues are cured.

Even so I'm in the market for a pair of used Turntables because I miss the feeling of those motorized decks, and I have some old dusty Vinyl records that I never listen to anymore since selling my TT's and I never got around to recording them to MP3.

And it's a biotch to move a coffin case that weighs 80-100 lbs, not to mention XX lbs more for your vinyl. I would never do another gig that required me to move my turntables and vinyl collection. Just a backpack, an S4 and my Mac.
Dino Hapgood
12.03.2012
Just started buying vinyl. Popped my cherry this weekend. Grabbed a cool battle record, a Saigon album, and some weird instrumental LP that I purchased because of the cover art. I'm addicted to digging already, can't wait to go back.
Lashawn Maycock
12.03.2012
I added an S4 to my 1210s just over a year ago and must say I've noticed a massive saving in my pocket when it comes to aquiring tunage, plus gaining access to upfront promos is easier (although I very much miss the record shop interaction and getting a copy of 'that promo' before others, which sadly no longer really applies). I've not bought vinyl for a few years but have amassed between 5000 and 6000 records since the early 90s. At the peak in the early 2000s I would probably spend on average about
Kami Sawan
10.03.2012
Originally Posted by dripstep
I spin on both DVS and vinyl. My buddy hooked me up with a crate of early 90s house, plus I have a pile of dnb, and love just throwing on records, and turning off the computer.
Must be nice. 90's House on vinyl. Sold my 1000 record collection 2002.
Danae Dumler
21.01.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
I haven't heard one.
Oscar Peterson's Nigerian Marketplace
Danae Dumler
21.01.2012
Originally Posted by keithace
hour twenty from my front door to my home boys place on beechwood and franklin...
hahah I'm at gramercy and franklin, literally walking distance. PM me next time you head out this way!
Dorie Scelzo
20.01.2012
Parts of that are wrong, but in general, yes
Ngan Ernestine
20.01.2012
If both CD and vinyl were used "properly" (that is, if there was no loudness war), CD would be far superior to vinyl sound-quality wise. however, the mastering of the majority of today's productions is just absurdly bad. due to technical constraints of the vinyl medium (both during production as well as during playback), you cannot master as aggressively (in terms of dynamic range compression) for vinyl as for the (red-book audio) cd.

the fact that a cd has a dynamic range of 92db (a lot more if we allow for noise shaping) while, in practice, vinyl has only ~70db doesn't mean an advantage for the cd if modern mastering compresses like crazy.

sometimes, vinyl pressings sound much better than the digital release.
Dorie Scelzo
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
Bass sounds just fine on vinyl. Yes you're right technically but saying it "shows no life" or "barely counts as music" is an exaggeration, to say the least. The thing is, you need to engineer music differently for vinyl than you would for digital. I believe stuff that was recorded for vinyl sounds better on vinyl; stuff that was recorded for digital sounds better on CD. I don't believe it's going to sound "dull and lifeless" either way unless the music is dull and lifeless -- hell, I have 78s that sound full of life on my wind-up victrola (BTW you guys who complain about the lows on KRK monitors ought to listen to music played through a stainless steel needle and a metal cone some time, heh!) But in either case you're right the vinyl experience is not about sound quality or durability. It's just a hell of a lot more fun!
Of course it was an exaggeration. I still believe it's a valid counter to so many people wanking about "analog sound quality" that just isn't there and never was.

Originally Posted by zimfella
so a full traktor scratch liscence, sound card setup is just shy of
Margie Pavell
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by zimfella
so a full traktor scratch liscence, sound card setup is just shy of
Margie Pavell
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
Hah yeah man let's party I'm free toevening ! (But aren't you like 3 hrs away?)
hour twenty from my front door to my home boys place on beechwood and franklin...
Hanna Ridenbaugh
20.01.2012
so a full traktor scratch liscence, sound card setup is just shy of
Ira Alsadi
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
But in either case you're right the vinyl experience is not about sound quality or durability. It's just a hell of a lot more fun!
Cheers to that! ^^^
Danae Dumler
20.01.2012
Originally Posted by mostapha
And the weird thing is that I believe vinyl is a crap medium. Its limited dynamic range and the RIAA EQ curve mean that your bass has to be compressed to all hell and shows basically no life
Tillie Sliman
19.01.2012
I love going back and forth from digital to dropping a few classic vinyl tracks in a set that's primarily being run out of Traktor, keeps people on their toes and keeps it fun for me.
Rosina Stanford
19.01.2012
Since I grew up when everyone played records at parties (Not because it was a cool thing but more to wards records being the standard) I fall into what the Americans state as… “Old School.”

I recall in the 1990’s, I would spend no less than
Dorie Scelzo
19.01.2012
As for the OP's actual question:

There are several DJs in Atlanta that still spin vinyl. Hip Hop seems to have completely moved on to SSL, which strikes me as odd. A good number of people use SSL or Traktor, and CDJs dominate the scene. But there are a few really good DJs in the hipster-y house scene (spinning house, tech, deep, funk, soul, rare groove, old hip hop, etc.) that still spin exclusively vinyl. And they're a lot of fun to listen to. The venue is receptive to a lot of stuff
Romelia Stankard
19.01.2012
I would if I had a better selection of vinyl and have considered trying to pick up some collections of classic stuff on craigslist for home use.

At home when I'm mixing vinyl it seems more like I do it just to play records back to back rather than do seamless sets. I kind of like the act of just playing records but I don't have enough stuff to really mix a set how I would like.

I might consider ordering some records through discogs but that seems like a lot of effort and I have other stuff to focus on.
Danae Dumler
19.01.2012
Hah yeah man let's party I'm free toevening ! (But aren't you like 3 hrs away?)
Margie Pavell
18.01.2012
Originally Posted by djproben
I still spin vinyl at home pretty often and prefer it as well, though I enjoy all the possibilities of digital that aren't there on vinyl. Last time I spun out it was an all-45 set (I turned 45 that day so it was appropos).

And yeah Amoeba is great but there used to be a ton of specialty record shops that were put out of business when they came to town! Doc Marten's Wax on Melrose was pretty close to a few other great ones that are long gone - This Is Music (fantastic house collection) and the dnb powerhouse Beat Non Stop (I remember digging through a pile of records that DJ Rap sold there years ago; believe I picked up a couple but I couldn't tell you which). And before there was Amoeba there was Aron's Records which at the time seemed huge.... Ahhh I wax nostalgic about LA wax

I still buy way too many records but I tend to stay away from new stuff because of the prices; but I should rebelieve that considering I recently spent $70 on $2 records that mostly turned out to be shite. Another thing that sucks about Amoeba is no vinyl listening station! And they wrap records in so much damn plastic and tape it would be impossible to listen to them anyways....
when can i come over? i will bring the beers...
Fredda Klarman
18.01.2012
Originally Posted by Flash101uk

It is freeing ditching the computer, its easier to listen to the tracks rather than be believeing about which cue point you need or being distracted by waveforms.
This explains how I feel completely. I haven't been djing for very long, but I started with Traktor but ended up obtaining some 1200's. When I mix on traktor I feel limited and dull (doubtful that makes any sense). But when I can actually look at a record, pick it up, put it down, and play it with no distraction of a screen, I feel so much more genuine and alive. Being able to hold the music and physically search for it is a beautiful thing that puts a smile on my face.
On top of that, I feel like playing vinyl is so much more rewarding (personally, STRICTLY, I know not everyone feels the same). I don't play strictly vinyl, as I can obtain much more music that I want digitally. HOWEVER, I have a "local" record shop that stopped stocking vinyl a few months ago and have been having a sale ever since. Any record for 2$, no limit. Oh, and there's a guy that works there occasionally that gives em to me for a buck, so that's pretty dope. The issue is that by local, I mean an hour and a half drive one way which is hard to make between school and work and a lack of gas money. When I get to drive down there I usually spend about 40 bones (20 if the other guy is working) and snag like 20 records. I'm usually the only guy there too so I don't have to worry about sharing space with anyone. I need to take more advantage of this
Danae Dumler
18.01.2012
I still spin vinyl at home pretty often and prefer it as well, though I enjoy all the possibilities of digital that aren't there on vinyl. Last time I spun out it was an all-45 set (I turned 45 that day so it was appropos).

And yeah Amoeba is great but there used to be a ton of specialty record shops that were put out of business when they came to town! Doc Marten's Wax on Melrose was pretty close to a few other great ones that are long gone - This Is Music (fantastic house collection) and the dnb powerhouse Beat Non Stop (I remember digging through a pile of records that DJ Rap sold there years ago; believe I picked up a couple but I couldn't tell you which). And before there was Amoeba there was Aron's Records which at the time seemed huge.... Ahhh I wax nostalgic about LA wax

I still buy way too many records but I tend to stay away from new stuff because of the prices; but I should rebelieve that considering I recently spent $70 on $2 records that mostly turned out to be shite. Another thing that sucks about Amoeba is no vinyl listening station! And they wrap records in so much damn plastic and tape it would be impossible to listen to them anyways....
Roxie Seldal
18.01.2012
^True. But not the same, nothing like being a regular at a small record shop, and the person behind the counter hands you a stack of new vinyl that they set aside for you. I miss that personal aspect of vinyl collecting.
Belle Tufnell
18.01.2012
^You still got Amoeba.
Margie Pavell
18.01.2012
cost is what motivated me...i used to order records once a week or so from dancerecords.com and would get free shipping with orders over 50 bucks...for that same 50 bucks i can get 30 or so tracks from beatport or 40 plus odd itunes...

i have recently moved to an external mixer and have hooked up one of my turntables so i can play alot of tracks that made it to digi (naked music, greyhound, dubtribe, etc) music that still holds up with todays deep house sounds...very excited about that...

does doc martin still spin only vinyl? i miss going to wax records in los angeles...
Roxie Seldal
18.01.2012
"DVS is just a tool to play all my tunes that I don't have on vinyl as if they were vinyl."
-Lineypirate

This exactly how I feel. My laptop is never in front of me, always to the side out of the way.
I started spinning vinyl in 1996, and never moved to cds. I actually held out on Serato up until 2008 or 2009. I was a vinyl purist, but when tracks started to be released digitally only I had no choice but embrace the new technology.
I load a track, and cue the record. No hot cues, no loops, just Absolute Mode.
Cami Loretdemola
18.01.2012
I've been playing out for about 2/3 years and I play exclusively vinyl. Don't own DVS or CDJs, just a pair of turntables and a mixer. Even in the short period that I've been playing in clubs there seems to be less people playing proper vinyl, but it's still certainly alive and kicking, at least within the genres I'm interested in. I occasionally use CDs for tunes I can't get on vinyl, but seeing as I've got no way of playing them outside of clubs it's pretty rare.

Started off playing DnB, which, as has been said, has ties to vinyl. Moved on to dubstep, which again had the vinyl culture. Now I'm playing what I call "UK Bass" for lack of a better term, and while there is less on a vinyl culture there is still a lot of music that doesn't get a digital release. Probably a hangover from dubstep*.

Everyone talks as though it is impossible to play vinyl, but it's no more expensive than it ever was, no more heavy, and still just as easy to buy. The biggest problem is club turntables tend to be a bit knackered, but DVS is going some way to correct this. Wherever there are DJS that want to use them, there will be a motivation for club owners to get them serviced.

*UK Bass is sort of the flipside to "American Dubstep" (brostep included), while there is still a sizable dubstep scene in London (which I'm told is called "dungeon step"), FWD etc, a lot of the people who were making exciting music a few years ago have gone one of two ways. They've either gone into the cheesy, noisy, shittastic side of things, or abandoned the half time and dropped down into 130bpm land. I've ended up following the slowdown. It's retained the vinyl culture in a big way though, lots of stuff that's pretty hard to get downloads of, or the download comes out a long time after the original promo drops. Even got vinyl only labels like Swamp81.

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