Why do people judge?
Why do people judge? Posted on: 29.01.2013 by Shantay Avina Anyone else judged because of the gear that you use? So sick of being judged as some type of bum because I use an S2. Who cares if its not cdj2000's or technics 1200's! It works for me. | |
| Sherrell Dargenio 31.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by deevey
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| Nancey Inderlied 30.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by Sambo
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| Jetta Drenzek 30.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I understand that the lower price points allows a much newer and less understanding audience into the scene, but if they have real passion, they'll get good, if not, they'll drop it after a year or so. |
| Nancey Inderlied 30.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by Sambo
Originally Posted by DJ 2 Cut
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| Doreen Schurle 01.02.2013 | Over here, turntables are basically extinct; even the boothes are sized specifically for CDJ1000s and a 4 channel mixer, usually screwed down in the middle. Venues usually have a mixer and a set of Denon DN-4000s (those bloody nasty rackmount things with the 1.5" jogwheels), which very few people ever use. Most people either bring CDJs or controllers, although finding a spot for your controller (especially if it's larger than an S2) is generally a evening mare. I use a pair of Reloop Contours, so I can at least go either side of the mixer, but then you have to put your laptop off-side, which makes changing playlists etc a pain in the backside. Personally, I can't see the point of CDJs, and never really have done; I went from using turntables back at the turn of the milennium, to a gap of about 8 years, completely skipping the CDJ generation, and then straight back into MIDI. CDJs are essentially just limited, basic versions of a Traktor setup, with very limited filters and effects (and no VST support), and you still have to carry a massive amount of media around. The 2000s are a little bit better, with USB mass storage support, but they're still basically just cut-down laptops. With turntables you have that tactile feel and moving platters, which gives them a notable difference (not necessarily ADVANTAGE, but a difference) to MIDI controllers. I'm sure CDJs were great when they were the ONLY choice besides turntables, but MIDI should've killed off that segment of the market immediately upon release. The irony is, it's usually the CDJ users who bitch about everyone else's gear choice. Usually while pointing at their pitchfaders and saying, "see? SEE?!". |
| Federico Vilas 31.01.2013 | i'm a turntable DJ, used a vci-100 a few years back, went back to turntables... I've thought about getting an S2 for my mobile gigs/weddings b/c most people do not care what you use. The most important part is picking the right music and keeping the interaction with the crowd. I've DJ'ed events with my laptop, mixer, and a mic before when I had to sell most my gear to pay bills... pick the right music, keep a smile on your face, and remember...your job as a DJ is to satisfy the crowd 1st and foremost... if they are not into your set it does not matter how well you mix it ttables are a pain in the *$! to carry to gigs and setup plus they are HEAVY. I'm going to be using my Maschine Mk2 going forward unless someone really wants ttables. i've got buddies that DJ multiple weddings with itunes and their personality. SONG SELECTION!!! |
| Sherrell Dargenio 31.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by deevey
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| Rolanda Clodfelder 31.01.2013 |
I don't get the hate for DJ's buried behind a laptop screen. Who gives a fuck? As long as the sound is proper, you're there to dance or at least have a good time and that for me usually doesn't mean to stare at the DJ. I like the booths were you can't/barely see the DJ.
Personally I hate when you cant see the DJ or see their reaction, especially when its a big name when you catch his/her sly grin that they know the place is going to go completely nuts at the next break, its like a little mashed up secret between the two of you that can make a evening . |
| Hipolito Scionti 31.01.2013 | In some ways bringing an s2 to a club is less intrusive than dvs/soundcards because you just need one line in. Tbh that's what originally attracted me to traktor when I was using serato because sketchy decks nearly ruined so many parties. Many venues still have cdj1000s so for me just bringing my s2 with crane stand means I can use traktor with our ripping to many cables out the back of the mixer. If the venue has 2000s I just bring a USB stick |
| Piedad Apelian 31.01.2013 | more residents and less guest DJs should alleviate a lot of this problem.. unless you have a headliner coming in :/ i like my simple setup, 2 X1s, audio 6, and my laptop..... done (+ mixer at the club) |
| Nancey Inderlied 31.01.2013 | My point isnt that people dont use timecode, my point is that it's a major pain in the ass to manage. Thats the reasoning between the Rane dual USB functions (which ironically, rarely get installed), and it's why clubs have been installing CDJ-2000's over the past 3 years. Timecode is a holdover from the 5 year period after 2003 when CDs and vinyl were the main way of getting tracks to the venue, and for people who want a vinyl feel. There's essentially no reason a laptop needs to be involved with a club setup, except in cases of legacy support (which, I admit, is pretty huge). Compare the efforts of handing over sound cards constantly, patching the same set of RCAs in and out ad nauseum, to having virtually everyone already patched in before the show even starts via USB/SD, with literally no hardware management. Its almost like the "industry standard" install hardware has significant advantages over the incumbent system... |
| Rena Estabrook 31.01.2013 | There's another side to DJing which is like a competitive sport. It's why DJ battles exist. I believe competitive can be mistaken for judgmental. |
| Iraida Bonaventure 31.01.2013 | I do agree that people need to at least have a basic understanding of CDJ's and/or TT's so they could at least wing a set if they had to. Alot of the times it is the controller folks who will look at a TT like its Chinese math. I don't get the hate for DJ's buried behind a laptop screen. Who gives a fuck? As long as the sound is proper, you're there to dance or at least have a good time and that for me usually doesn't mean to stare at the DJ. I like the booths were you can't/barely see the DJ. |
| Jolynn Schroyer 31.01.2013 | People love to hate more than show love. blame the devil who roams this earth, it fills the empty and heartless souls. god bless the weak. |
| Piedad Apelian 30.01.2013 | I believe every DJ in dallas uses a laptop, serato + time code vinyl or dual X1s + audio 2/6/8/10 whatever, and whatever pioneer mixer is typically provided... i couldnt imagine a place still using normal CDJs with actual CD swapping, unheard of out here anyway. just more convenient for everybody, plus if your shit dies, just borrow someones gear and be straight for your set since everyone has the exact same gig bag of tricks |
| Johnetta Olewine 30.01.2013 | Shitdisma is involved with some generic multi room commercial venue in a generic mid size US city from memory. |
| Merideth Garnder 30.01.2013 | Do you have a residency at a club? Even at some of the bigger LA clubs where we play....the laptops are getting more and more popular. I have Ableton and Traktor but for the most part play on CDJs via Rekordbox and USBs. I personally like to connect with the crowd by looking at them and making a connection. But that's not to say that there aren't any dope DJs that use a laptop. In a major club, I've maybe seen maybe one act that uses a controller. Most are timecode Serato, USBs, and CDs now.... |
| Nancey Inderlied 30.01.2013 | Even with two laptops, disconnecting the install, patching in the incoming, and then fully patching the second deck becomes something out of a mind game if you dont have a dedicated patch. If your entire install is nothing but timecodes, mounting a patch bay would make things significantly easier to access, but theres still the handoff effect between patching two sound cards in and out. If you're talking about patching in external stuff like controllers, it gets a lot simpler, but then you have to have a booth capable of supporting that. Considering a set of CDJs and a DJM in cases takes up a large table, space can get pretty tight. In my situation, "external gear " means "I get to maneuver the lids of my CDJ cases" which is just irritating and wears down my cables. If you have a large install, obviously external hardware is as easy as getting a single output in (Thats a different story, and Ive seen some bizarre shit...). Presence killing is having a huge screen propped up literally front centre before you, with your face buried in it. If the laptop is out of the way, often the case in the aforementioned large installs, it usually isnt a problem. But the typical timecode setup features a laptop wall with a face glued to it as standard. Ironically, when the mixer is propped up in the case, I typically put my phone in the little pocket it creates and glance at it from time to time, without obviously doing so. |
| Jetta Drenzek 30.01.2013 | Why would there be that many laptops on at once? Also it's not effort to plug two RCA cables into a mixer. Hell we even have it setup so the RCA jacks are on a rack mount unit on top so you don't have to go behind the mixer, you just plug in and whoomp. All I do is ask them to give me their output cables and that's it. If their gear doesn't work, the other DJs (or me) get an extended slot and they can jog on. It doesn't matter about the effort either way, I am paid to do a job and I do it well, whether I use CDJs, Traktor or a 1930's clarinet made from fossilised elves. I don't get your hatred of screen glow though. My evening club has an insane light rig, and they don't kill the presence at all. Presence killing is whipping out your BB and checking Twitter in between mixes. |
| Nancey Inderlied 30.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by Sambo
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| Jetta Drenzek 30.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I understand that the lower price points allows a much newer and less understanding audience into the scene, but if they have real passion, they'll get good, if not, they'll drop it after a year or so. |
| Rena Estabrook 30.01.2013 | I have a friend I normally jam with who judges. He uses a simple Technics 1200 Serato setup and throws down nice mixes without a midi controller. He controls Serato with the keyboard. His gripe is really about starring at the screen to assist beatmatching and relying on midi. I guess the expectations are higher when there's a lot of focus on the computer and buttons to push. |
| Nancey Inderlied 30.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by Sambo
Originally Posted by DJ 2 Cut
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| Meridith Betsinger 30.01.2013 | you know what I love? People argueing with me saying VIRTUAL DJ IS BETTER THAN TRAKTOR(no disrespect to people who use Virtual dj and know what they're doing). Ok shut up idiot you've never djed for real so don't start talking to me about tools. In my personal and professional life a lot of people will argue for no real reason otherwise than sheer ignorance. My reply tends to be " it's a tool there is no need to attack ". There have been multiple cases were I've been at events and I've seen digital djs having a hard time with timecode ( which I've never actually use btw), controllers, soundcards .... I've helped out more times than I can count and everyone is happy, and then they wonder WHO ARE YOU? Angel, call me Guardian Angel. LEARN HOW TO USE YOUR TOOLS FFS. |
| Nestor Epper 30.01.2013 | The S2 is a great piece of kit. It does everything it needs to and can be really intuitive. People just get mad because they have spent all this money buying all this stuff and believe it’s a right of passage or something. That isn't the case anymore and they need to get over it. a great DJ can DJ can mix with cheap gear just as well as with expensive gear. It’s the DJ that makes it great not the kit... |
| Jetta Drenzek 30.01.2013 | People are stubborn, I have a friend who's buying a pair of 2000 nexuses (nexi?) after he sold his 2000s 4 months ago because he never used them. I said, why not buy a DDJ-SX and a macbook? That's still cheaper than the nexi, it gives you more in the way of sonic capabilities, it still feels like a CDJ because it is a CDJ, just in a controller, and you get a macbook to use for other things! You've seen the DJ Braindead performance video! (which he still raves about now) You know what he says? "It's not for me, I've always liked the idea of CDJs." Which is pretty much like when a caveman learns how to build huts, and his fellow caveman says "It's not for me, I've always liked the idea of caves" Sure, it might withstand a few knocks more, but it's still cold, damp and lacking in versatility. I remember when I wanted a CD deck WAAAAYY back when they first came out and I was only young, and my friends older brother, who had two technics, told me "You can't really DJ on them, you need turntables" and I was really upset because it seemed like the coolest thing in the world. Turns out, he was wrong, the CD decks could do everything the turntables did and more. Anyways, before I go off on adventures unknown, I'll just finish here with a simple solution. If a man learns to beatbox a tune out of his rectum, and it sounds amazing, what does it matter that he has a microphone up his back passage. It's all about the sound. You can have ten gazillion bajillion Yen of gear , and mix on 5 CDJs simultaneously using a limb for each deck, if the crowd isn't jumping, you're not doing it right. |
| Charissa Paganucci 30.01.2013 | meh, it's a part of live in any venture/scene/setting. if it works for you, and you're happy with it that's all that really matters. |
| Rena Estabrook 30.01.2013 | I judge sound quality and song selection. Don't care much about what you use. |
| Nancey Inderlied 30.01.2013 | I personally always raise an eyebrow at controller users out of sheer experience. I've been in several different scenes in the past few years, and I've literally never encountered an S4/2 owner who had both the slightest idea what they were talking about, and the ability to not infuriate every other member of the associated production. One of my favourite stories involves the owner of a shredded S4 who had bought a Maschine to use as a gdmf trigger finger. When I explained the drum machine/sequencing "part" of the controller, he was blown away, got a 5 pin MIDI from a cable box, and then consulted me as to why no sounds were playing after he connected the S4 and Machine MIDI ports. There's just no way to deal with that level of stupid. I've always observed 3 "levels" of controller DJs. Mind blowingly stupid assholes who derail the engineering and don't shut up, people who act defensive over their $500 lump of plastic, and DJs who show up, keep their heads down, act benevolently towards associated persons, and don't rail on about "controllerism" or whatever. You have some beginner hardware, and you're a fresh face, if you're garnering hate, Id bet 10:1 it isnt unsolicited or related to performance skill. I believe the real lesson is not to generate a chip on your shoulder against legitimate criticism, and may God help you if you actually respond to or instigate such discussions. |
| Werner Bile 30.01.2013 | There are a lot of reasons. One is that you can do a lot of things with a digital setup that you simply can't do with a traditional 2TT and a mixer. Some old school people are threatened by this and so they push the superiority of the old ways to compensate. Another part of it though is that a lot of digital djs are making it easy for them to do this by playing into the stereotypes. Lower costs to get into the dj game are a good thing, in general, but it's also brought more people in that aren't as dedicated. Add to that the sync button, which allows djs to mix passably well much more quickly, and you've got digital djs playing out before they're really ready. Of course, none of that is an inherent aspect of digital djing, but it means you have to push yourself more to put in the practice time that used to be mandatory just to learn to beatmatch. |
| Lauretta Ehrhorn 30.01.2013 | Putting someone or something down is a simple psychological technique to make themselves to feel better about themselves or in Transactional Analysis terms "I'm ok, your not ok". Stay in your adult and don't let them get to you. It's what they want. |
| Era Roka 30.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by JZed
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| Sherrell Dargenio 30.01.2013 | Because whoever has the most expensive gear is the best, that's why. That's 100% true, no denying it. |
| Era Roka 30.01.2013 | i believe they are jelous and therefore say it's bad gear and you're not a dj. Supose you just spended 5 grand an a DJ setup and someone walks into the club with a laptop and an S4, until then there's nothing wrong but at the point where they notice that with that little "toy" as they like to call it, you can do everything you can do with their setup and even more! Personally i believe everything is fine as long as your music is good. |
| Latoria Kavulich 30.01.2013 | As dr. crane says in the dark kevening rises .... "death .... by banishment" |
| Lilliana Perris 30.01.2013 | We need judging.... How else will we know who won the DMC? |
| Rodger Seferovic 30.01.2013 | I believe the main reason is that they are threatened by the fact that the bar of entry into the DJing world is now only a couple of hundred dollars. This leads to an influx of DJ's into the market increasing their competition. They will initially try to use that excuse that you are not using "industry standard" gear to help comfort themselves but soon they will realize that they will actually have to prove their own skill in order to keep their job. |
| Latoria Kavulich 30.01.2013 |
Originally Posted by hola amigos
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| Latoria Kavulich 30.01.2013 | Please mind your language folks. |
| Tera Baragan 30.01.2013 | I mean around here it doesn't matter what you lose. If its a good set, its a good set. |
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