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The S4, my first initial reaction and concerns. Posted on: 11.11.2010 by Hang Natelli Hello fellow S4 owners and DJTT'ers,This is day one of S4 unboxing and testing. Already, I have found some legitimate issues with it that I haven't seen any other user bring up, and then my concerns, and then likes and reactions. First of all, the somewhat small, but there none the less issue in my unit. When the track I have cued in my headphones is playing with the fader all the way down it sounds fine, and when I put the fader up I can hear a sort of jet or flange effect happening in my headphones. WTF is up with that? It's slight, but still enough to throw me off. The sound becomes a tinge more metalic. I don't like this. My concerns is that there is no booth volume gain control anywhere. How does one control the monitors in a booth if there is no club system to plug into? If the only option NI thought to leave us was to plug into a DJM800, then that really limits us when we have no choice but to remove the club mixer to squeeze in the S4. And then I guess I could mix completely in my headphones, but I would need to upgrade to something with better reference, and more isolated sound. I lost my pair of Shure 530's in Vietnam, I don't feel like buying another. Do I like this thing. Hell yeah. I truely have never touched Traktor before, so there's a bazillion things I gotta learn and pick up workflow wise. But so far so good, I'm impressed with the unit. It just doesn't have the feel of a true mixer, built like a metal tank (such as a Rane 2-channel mixer), and therefore doesn't exude the confidence of being durable. My mixer I would feel safe bringing anywhere. I almost wish I had a rubber protective comdom for it like the common ones for an iPhone or Blackberry. QUICK, who's down to make a new product? But if it surprises me, and I never have to re-calibrate it again (which was as easy as pie, but still shouldn't be necessary more than once), and I can lugg it around and not worry about it, then it will be an absolute winner. Now I gotta get learning Traktor. -PL>Y | |
| Janina Droze 14.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
At the end of the day: go to the official site for official support. |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 14.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by tau
Likewise none of the NI mods are DJTT mods. 2 separate families that love each other but not related But yeah your right that theres no Official NI presence here just opinion. |
| Hang Natelli 14.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by SirReal
I believe the latter (so it's not moving up and down). Who else is experiencing this? Any NI reps out there that can address this? |
| Leeanna Ayla 13.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y
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| Tatum Ansaldo 16.11.2010 | [QUOTE=Karlos Santos;180363]im just a goofy member with too much to say on DJTT.QUOTE] Over 4,000 posts and counting, you must have an opinion on everything! |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 14.11.2010 | Ah right, no mate im just a goofy member with too much to say on DJTT. I love being a normal member of this community
. I Moderate the NI community , thats enough modding for one person. |
| Janina Droze 14.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
At the end of the day: go to the official site for official support. |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 14.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by tau
Likewise none of the NI mods are DJTT mods. 2 separate families that love each other but not related But yeah your right that theres no Official NI presence here just opinion. |
| Janina Droze 14.11.2010 | I'm not experiencing that. It is of note that DJTT is NOT Native Instruments. An NI rep would be found at the NI site, or through NI's support conduits. Yes, at least one of, perhaps more, of the DJTT community mods are mods on the NI boards. There should be zero expectation of official support ~here~. |
| nayit ruiz jaramillo 14.11.2010 | Ill have a listen tomorrow (actually later today but i need some sleep first). (im no rep) |
| Hang Natelli 14.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by SirReal
I believe the latter (so it's not moving up and down). Who else is experiencing this? Any NI reps out there that can address this? |
| Maxima Lobeck 13.11.2010 | Constant for me, a sound like flanger, but isnt moving. |
| Antonetta Wikel 13.11.2010 | Tell me this. Does the phasing sound move up and down in pitch like a flanger or is it a constant thin sound of the audio? This would be quite telling if the audio is moving in and out of sync with each other OR if one is just slightly delayed from the other. |
| daniela klein 13.11.2010 | I'm just taking a wild shot here, because I don't own an S4, but phasing almost always happens when two identical audio signals are playing simultaneously but slightly out of sync. If you're getting phasing in your headphones, it seems likely you're also getting two different signals in your headphones. I'd check my Audio Out routing and see if two different outs are routed to the phones. |
| Leeanna Ayla 13.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y
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| Antonetta Wikel 13.11.2010 | While this wouldn't affect my mixing style as I only use track cueing and not master cueing, I can see how it would be quite annoying to people who do. For those having a problem, can you try re-enacting the problem with "sync" turned off? I'm wondering if it's the sync feature causing the problem. Usually when "phasing" happens with an audio signal doubled it means one of the signals is moving in and out of phase with the other. When 2 tracks of the same audio are "sample accurate" they should "double" in loudness and if they're "phase flipped" with each other they should cancel each other out and you should hear nothing. |
| Julissa Serrone 13.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by VictorM
Happend to me last evening . I just turnd off the CUE and turned up the CUE MIX and things were fine. Didn't happen again after that and not a big issue on my end really. |
| Maxima Lobeck 12.11.2010 | I hope they make an update soon, the soft has some important bugs |
| Nedra Fresneda 12.11.2010 | it's called phasing (both streams aren't 100% aligned), pretty odd in a digital mixer IMO |
| Maxima Lobeck 12.11.2010 | If im cueing a song, with fader up, and (MIX/CUE) at 50% i get like a flanger with headphones, seems is bad programing or something, its like the sound of the master and the sound of the cue make a flanger because the sound is coming at same time. This happens if u mix the same song on both channels, but shoudnt happen in headphones while cueing, others digital mixers, or analog mixers, dont have this. Sorry for bad english. |
| Maxima Lobeck 12.11.2010 | I believe i had some of this yest on my first gig. Ill check again later. |
| Adolf Hit 12.11.2010 | I dont believe it would be hardware related - what type of computer are u using it on? Do you have another you could try it with? |
| Nedra Fresneda 12.11.2010 | i thought everyone's 1 |
| Carlee Pickard 12.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y
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| Hang Natelli 12.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by midifidler
-PL>Y |
| Adolf Hit 12.11.2010 | To me it sounds like your track and and the audio feed of its cue are slightly out of sync which would induce a flange effect which would not be noticeable at lower volumes. You can reproduce this just by taking to copies of the same track, beat matching them then nudging one slightly off time |
| Leeanna Ayla 12.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y
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| Julissa Serrone 12.11.2010 | The Traktor Bible is a HUGE resource of information. Rainer (you'll see him posting) and Karlos are the two guys behind it. They've forgotten more info about traktor that I probably know. When I started on Traktor I went to Ean's youtube page and watched every video. Most of the stuff applies from Traktor Pro to S4 aside from the specific update features. --- but effects are the same, gridding is the same, transitions, cue juggles, etc. |
| Hang Natelli 12.11.2010 | Absolutely! I started watching the included DVD last evening
, and got about half way through it. I have to say, the video is perfect! Ean did a great job. It covered everything I wanted to know (at least to get me up and running), and the video in general does a fantastic job of taking what I found to be dry on paper and making it easy to understand in one shot. If you guys out there bought the S4 and don't already have it, I'd say it's worth it to have this DVD ready for when your unit arrives. @photojojo: The Traktor bible. When you get it, does it come as a book? I read some of the articles online, and the reads were decent. But is this something you would actually recommend spending an entire evening reading? -PL>Y |
| Leeanna Ayla 12.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by padi_04
There's also the traktor Bible, a very good resource for all things Traktor. http://traktorbible.com/en/traktorbible.aspx |
| Nedra Fresneda 11.11.2010 |
Originally Posted by PRESSPL>Y
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| Hang Natelli 11.11.2010 | Okay so I figured it out. The flanging is definitely there. If the cue/master mix is 50/50, there's a definite flanging. That's not good. Nor have I heard this in other pieces of gear, all the way back to the now ancient DJM-600 I have sitting in my studio. The booth control is very very important for me. I hope this gets figured out in an update. It's possible for me to hook up monitors via the main out, but there's no way to turn them down. Terrible. Still trying to figure out Traktor. So far it's been a pain going through the S4 pfd. Can anyone recommend some good beginner reads / videos? -PL>Y |
| Antonetta Wikel 11.11.2010 | Are you sure you're not hearing the track cued and the track playing on the Master cue? Maybe that's accounting for the flanging/phasing sound? |
| Tatum Ansaldo 11.11.2010 | Does the noise happen just when the fader is up (ie fader up but not feeding into the master, indicating a problem with the fader itself) or does the track have to be entering the master out? To clarify that, I mean that if the fader is up but the x-fader is on the other side, do you get the noise in your headphones? All I can believe of is that it could be a phasing effect between the master and cue level in the headphones if they are the same track slightly offset. |
| Leeanna Ayla 11.11.2010 | Karlos was talking about geting one of these and running one of the main outs to it. I don;t really understand why there's not at least a booth volume knob in the software that we could map to an X1 or something like that. Probably has to do with how the main volume is wired up. http://www.tcelectronic.com/levelpilot.asp I don't get any odd sounds when moving the faders up. I'm using Ultrasone Pro 650's. |
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