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Traktor S4 moding... Possible?
Posted on: 12.12.2010 by Matthew Yanagisawa
Can the S4 get arcade buttons? Here you can get Sanwa buttons lower that 24mm which are used for the VCI100 arcade.

http://www.lizardlick.com/Sanwa-Pushbuttons_c_152.html

Can the faders and knobs be replaced with the ones sold on the DJTT store? I grew to love my green knobs
Matthew Yanagisawa
21.02.2011
Originally Posted by knaumov
no mod possible with S4 ...
Im sure due to the S4 popularity and user adoption (I believe this controller will be very close to be the industry standard of the rapidly growing digital DJ/controllerist world. [Wonder why Pioneer did a Serato and Traktor controller?]) not only mods will arise but more they will be inevitable.

Even a feature rich and powerful controller like the S4 is out of the box, people will just try about anything to make it even more kickass. Let it be some hardware, firmware or software mod, rest assured the thing will be modded, it's just a matter of when. Right now maybe people are enjoying the thing vanilla flavored since it's just too new AND the fact very few people will start monkeying around their $900 investment.

With just a post like this it is clear that there are S4 users interested in modding their unit and with the right amount of people willing to shed the cash/void warranty for a mod, modders will come and be able to cash in the process, even more if it require some sort of special parts not found anywhere or difficult to find or put together (believe FW kit). BTW, nothing wrong if modders want to charge for their efforts, quite the opposite I would be glad someone butchered their own S4 to make some ass kicking mod and that with a few bucks I can make the same mod painlessly.

If anything, Im also pretty sure the first S4 mods will be born in this website and that those will keep the S4 interesting and fresh just like it happened to the VCI-100.
Francina Decosse
07.02.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
I believe Tekki may have mentioned it
http://djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=24397

No plans for a dedicated show, but I'll see what I can do for you on the next one.

Thank you.
Cool!
good that I stood back not to create a new dedicated thread to congratulate you. I somehow knew that it should be some of the senior Mods to create the dedicated congrats thread! So it happened just 5 minutes after my post

EDIT: I'm so bad with the timing - the thread was there from two days before

Looking forward to hear the next Completely Different mix with less house and more fun stuff! I really love the Dec 20 mix from the S4 Soundcloud group - it's my favorite mix from the whole channel!

Cheers!
Leeanna Ayla
06.02.2011
Originally Posted by knaumov
WOW!

Karlos & Photojojo just became modes! Congrats guys!

will there be some official announcement?
I believe Tekki may have mentioned it
http://djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=24397

Originally Posted by knaumov
how about an on-line party (to create some dRunKy mezzzz)? aaand ... a dedicated radio show Something-Completely-Different-Punkey-Monkey-indiespensable LOL (I'm really getting tired of this house, you know)
No plans for a dedicated show, but I'll see what I can do for you on the next one.


Originally Posted by knaumov
Seriously, I'm sure you'll be taking good care of us . Thanks for your dedication and GODSPEED!

ohhh, and +1 if mods could share some nice S4 nude pixies
Thank you.
Leeanna Ayla
07.02.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos

I can open it up an do that if people really want. I dont have a warranty as such so its no biggie.
I would absolutely love that.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
07.02.2011
Originally Posted by knaumov
could it be some of these beer incidents ?

LOL or a preparation for one
You Sir, know me too well.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
07.02.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
I'm curios to know why Karlos, a self proclaimed disaster with a screw driver, had his S4 in pieces?
Hah your not wrong mate, you are not wrong.

I had a mini disaster with my S4 during the Beta stage.
The tip of my headphones came off and was stuck inside the socket :eek:

Seriously, i nearly cried. You know that feeling when your heart sinks cus you know its really bad...!!!

It was the fault of the jack, it had just worn loose over time.

I had to take the back off and try get the tip out but it was lodged inside the barrel.
I tried tweezers, long nose pliers, thin screw drivers EVERYTHING.

I finally got it out by pushing the long thin handle of a hair comb into the barrel and inside the tip and then, i used a metal hair grip that i had bent into a funny shape to get inside the barrel and push.
Sounds stupid but it worked. it was like breaking into a lock, spy style.

My relief was incalculable.
I was too nervous to believe about taking pics.

I can open it up an do that if people really want. I dont have a warranty as such so its no biggie.
Tatum Ansaldo
06.02.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
I'm curios to know why Karlos, a self proclaimed disaster with a screw driver, had his S4 in pieces?
Originally Posted by knaumov
could it be some of these beer incidents ?

LOL or a preparation for one
Dipping the whole lot in silicone to make it waterproof
Leeanna Ayla
06.02.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
ive had the thing in pieces and there is no room for moving stuff about.
Originally Posted by weltraumpapst
did you take pictures? pretty curious whats inside the baby..
I'm curios to know why Karlos, a self proclaimed disaster with a screw driver, had his S4 in pieces?
robin loo
06.02.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I believe Photo is right about stacked boards.
Ive been inside my S4, ive had the thing in pieces and there is no room for moving stuff about.
Its crammed in there and most stuff is unmovable. I dont believe you could move the boards about.
Its not like the VCI where the boards are attached with long cables.
(dunno the tech speak)
did you take pictures? pretty curious whats inside the baby..
Francina Decosse
21.02.2011
I stand corrected. Many types of mods are possible and probable, just not the simple arcade button mod as on the VCI-100.

Looking forward to see some nude pics of the S4's internals!
Matthew Yanagisawa
21.02.2011
Originally Posted by knaumov
no mod possible with S4 ...
Im sure due to the S4 popularity and user adoption (I believe this controller will be very close to be the industry standard of the rapidly growing digital DJ/controllerist world. [Wonder why Pioneer did a Serato and Traktor controller?]) not only mods will arise but more they will be inevitable.

Even a feature rich and powerful controller like the S4 is out of the box, people will just try about anything to make it even more kickass. Let it be some hardware, firmware or software mod, rest assured the thing will be modded, it's just a matter of when. Right now maybe people are enjoying the thing vanilla flavored since it's just too new AND the fact very few people will start monkeying around their $900 investment.

With just a post like this it is clear that there are S4 users interested in modding their unit and with the right amount of people willing to shed the cash/void warranty for a mod, modders will come and be able to cash in the process, even more if it require some sort of special parts not found anywhere or difficult to find or put together (believe FW kit). BTW, nothing wrong if modders want to charge for their efforts, quite the opposite I would be glad someone butchered their own S4 to make some ass kicking mod and that with a few bucks I can make the same mod painlessly.

If anything, Im also pretty sure the first S4 mods will be born in this website and that those will keep the S4 interesting and fresh just like it happened to the VCI-100.
Francina Decosse
07.02.2011
a MF on the side is you best (and only) bet! no mod possible with S4 ...
Matthew Yanagisawa
07.02.2011
If depth is the problem... hmmm... perhaps a rubber border and longer screws would add the necessary depth to install arcade buttons?? Like a piece of rubber that functions as a spacer between both front and back cover...

Maybe even a clear rubber spacer,border similar to the midifighter and add lights inside? I can even go further and maybe a custom made back cover to add a custom made midifighter to the side of the S4 like the Sega CD used to be...

It's 4:20 here in the Caribbean and my ideas fly a bit too high lol...
Maxima Lobeck
07.02.2011
I would love to see that pics, and please, do pics of how the soundcard is assambled in there, i want to see if its removable. Thanks.
Francina Decosse
07.02.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
I believe Tekki may have mentioned it
http://djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=24397

No plans for a dedicated show, but I'll see what I can do for you on the next one.

Thank you.
Cool!
good that I stood back not to create a new dedicated thread to congratulate you. I somehow knew that it should be some of the senior Mods to create the dedicated congrats thread! So it happened just 5 minutes after my post

EDIT: I'm so bad with the timing - the thread was there from two days before

Looking forward to hear the next Completely Different mix with less house and more fun stuff! I really love the Dec 20 mix from the S4 Soundcloud group - it's my favorite mix from the whole channel!

Cheers!
Leeanna Ayla
06.02.2011
Originally Posted by knaumov
WOW!

Karlos & Photojojo just became modes! Congrats guys!

will there be some official announcement?
I believe Tekki may have mentioned it
http://djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=24397

Originally Posted by knaumov
how about an on-line party (to create some dRunKy mezzzz)? aaand ... a dedicated radio show Something-Completely-Different-Punkey-Monkey-indiespensable LOL (I'm really getting tired of this house, you know)
No plans for a dedicated show, but I'll see what I can do for you on the next one.


Originally Posted by knaumov
Seriously, I'm sure you'll be taking good care of us . Thanks for your dedication and GODSPEED!

ohhh, and +1 if mods could share some nice S4 nude pixies
Thank you.
Francina Decosse
06.02.2011
WOW!

Karlos & Photojojo just became modes! Congrats guys!

will there be some official announcement? how about an on-line party (to create some dRunKy mezzzz)? aaand ... a dedicated radio show Something-Completely-Different-Punkey-Monkey-indiespensable LOL (I'm really getting tired of this house, you know)


Seriously, I'm sure you'll be taking good care of us . Thanks for your dedication and GODSPEED!

ohhh, and +1 if mods could share some nice S4 nude pixies
Lisa Lochotzki
07.02.2011
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Leeanna Ayla
07.02.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos

I can open it up an do that if people really want. I dont have a warranty as such so its no biggie.
I would absolutely love that.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
07.02.2011
Originally Posted by knaumov
could it be some of these beer incidents ?

LOL or a preparation for one
You Sir, know me too well.
nayit ruiz jaramillo
07.02.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
I'm curios to know why Karlos, a self proclaimed disaster with a screw driver, had his S4 in pieces?
Hah your not wrong mate, you are not wrong.

I had a mini disaster with my S4 during the Beta stage.
The tip of my headphones came off and was stuck inside the socket :eek:

Seriously, i nearly cried. You know that feeling when your heart sinks cus you know its really bad...!!!

It was the fault of the jack, it had just worn loose over time.

I had to take the back off and try get the tip out but it was lodged inside the barrel.
I tried tweezers, long nose pliers, thin screw drivers EVERYTHING.

I finally got it out by pushing the long thin handle of a hair comb into the barrel and inside the tip and then, i used a metal hair grip that i had bent into a funny shape to get inside the barrel and push.
Sounds stupid but it worked. it was like breaking into a lock, spy style.

My relief was incalculable.
I was too nervous to believe about taking pics.

I can open it up an do that if people really want. I dont have a warranty as such so its no biggie.
Tatum Ansaldo
06.02.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
I'm curios to know why Karlos, a self proclaimed disaster with a screw driver, had his S4 in pieces?
Originally Posted by knaumov
could it be some of these beer incidents ?

LOL or a preparation for one
Dipping the whole lot in silicone to make it waterproof
Francina Decosse
06.02.2011
could it be some of these beer incidents ?

LOL or a preparation for one
Leeanna Ayla
06.02.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
ive had the thing in pieces and there is no room for moving stuff about.
Originally Posted by weltraumpapst
did you take pictures? pretty curious whats inside the baby..
I'm curios to know why Karlos, a self proclaimed disaster with a screw driver, had his S4 in pieces?
robin loo
06.02.2011
Originally Posted by Karlos Santos
I believe Photo is right about stacked boards.
Ive been inside my S4, ive had the thing in pieces and there is no room for moving stuff about.
Its crammed in there and most stuff is unmovable. I dont believe you could move the boards about.
Its not like the VCI where the boards are attached with long cables.
(dunno the tech speak)
did you take pictures? pretty curious whats inside the baby..
nayit ruiz jaramillo
06.02.2011
I believe Photo is right about stacked boards.
Ive been inside my S4, ive had the thing in pieces and there is no room for moving stuff about.
Its crammed in there and most stuff is unmovable. I dont believe you could move the boards about.
Its not like the VCI where the boards are attached with long cables.
(dunno the tech speak)
Leeanna Ayla
06.02.2011
One thing that might be possible is that you could maybe lower the logic boards. That's providing that there's not multiple levels of boards in there, I believe it's very likely there are at least two boards stacked on top of each other in there though.
Francina Decosse
06.02.2011
yup, Remote is correct in reading what I wrote. It's a depth issue above all. It's about the spacing between the top plate and logic board, which holds the rubber buttons.
Shirlee Depiazza
05.02.2011
Originally Posted by Quenepas
No. You can just solder wires to the spot on the logic board regardless of if it's one huge motherboard or several. It's the way modchips are installed.

Ill check a friends S4 for measurements
I believe what knaumov is trying to say is that it's not width or height that's the problem it's depth.

I'm sure you'll find something like this:

Top-Plate/Outer Casing
Logic/Motherboard

With only a few MM between them, all the Sawna buttons are over 5mm deep. so they can't sit into the S4 without fouling against the logic board.
Matthew Yanagisawa
05.02.2011
Originally Posted by knaumov
Probably the logic board is the base for the built-in rubber buttons in the S4. That means that if you try installing the arcade buttons, you won't be limited by the S4's case depth but from the space between the upper plate and the logic board beneath it.

The VCI-100 arcade mod is only possible because the low row of buttons were on mini board below the jogs. With S4, it will all depend if it has only one huge logic board with all buttons/jogs/knobs/faders on it or it has several smaller boards. You cannot drill to make a whole in the board and then re-wire the arcade buttons ...
No. You can just solder wires to the spot on the logic board regardless of if it's one huge motherboard or several. It's the way modchips are installed.

Ill check a friends S4 for measurements
Francina Decosse
04.02.2011
Probably the logic board is the base for the built-in rubber buttons in the S4. That means that if you try installing the arcade buttons, you won't be limited by the S4's case depth but from the space between the upper plate and the logic board beneath it.

The VCI-100 arcade mod is only possible because the low row of buttons were on mini board below the jogs. With S4, it will all depend if it has only one huge logic board with all buttons/jogs/knobs/faders on it or it has several smaller boards. You cannot drill to make a whole in the board and then re-wire the arcade buttons ...
Keva Sheward
04.02.2011
I read that but I thought they were talking about the 24mm buttons on the VCI & Midi Fighter. They definitely will not fit.

What about the 18mm or 20mm Sanwa buttons? From my measurements they should fit in the holes for the bottom 8 buttons on each side. They are roughly 15mm by 18mm. They may even fit in the upper 4 too if you space them correctly. They are 10mm by 18mm.
Shirlee Depiazza
20.01.2011
DJTT has already reported there's not enough room to add arcade buttons. It was in one of the first articles DJTT did about the S4 check the blog.
Leeanna Ayla
19.01.2011
You're going to have to open it up and take a look inside. Please document it well when you do as I've not built up the nerve to void my warranty yet.
Matthew Yanagisawa
19.01.2011
bump for this thread since when you google traktor s4 green knobs this is the second entry. Vestax knobs, VCI 100 knobs, green knobs, UV knobs, faders, traktor kontrol s4 mod, modding, chocolate covered traktor S4... lol

Any ideas in how to mod the S4 with arcade buttons?
Keva Sheward
09.01.2011
I like where you heads at. Any progress so far?

The faders and knobs can be replaced but some of mine are a little bit loose when I put them on.
Matthew Yanagisawa
12.12.2010
These buttons are translucent, if they could fit the space you ould also put some leds, or original led's maybe, in them!! http://www.lizardlick.com/search.asp....y=0&search=GO

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