How do I transition from a Higher BPM (140) -to- a much slower BPM (88) Yes I am a beginner and have been using the sync button, so wondering how I can make such a drastic BPM transition from one track to another without it sounding super sped up/slowed down but at the same time not so sloppy without using sync? Im not to sure how *example* radio DJ's do this in they're mixes and make it sound so smooth? |
Terrell Marzullo
06.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by DIGITaL MoNKEY
PRACTICE BEATMATCHING!!! This is more important than you know. Not being arrogant but it is the basics, just like learning to tune your guitar, it's needed.
To answer your question, you can also ramp up the tempo on the lead track during a build to make it fit the half tempo of the next track. This is what I use when doing a drop transition. So let's say track A is 140 BPM, and track B is 78. Pitch track A up to 156 during a build up and cue track B so it syncs in time for the drop in track A, then slam the crossfader over to the track B at the right time. Works for me, may not work for you. Really just practice and enjoy, find what works and go with it.
Edit: this also works the other way, pitching down, and you can also pitch both to meet in the middle so the changes aren't too drastic.
Thanx bro ill def be practising this toevening
|
Deangelo Boender
06.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by ErikMinekus
Or as Ean mentions at 1:08, just pause the track that is playing after hitting freeze to have it match the tempo of the incoming track.
I've never had to juggle what track is the master because I don't use the sync button, but this is perfect! |
Kyra Ramquist
06.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by Culture_Shock
Also, I find the echo freeze works well when you set it to the tempo of the in coming track instead of the track that is playing. It might mess up your sync, since you need the "Master" tempo to be that of the track that isn't actually live yet, but it's still a cool effect. You hit the echo freeze, and it causes the current track to lurch against it's own tempo. It throws people off, but when you bring in the new track, it lays on top of the "intentional trainwreck" perfectly!
Or as Ean mentions at 1:08, just pause the track that is playing after hitting freeze to have it match the tempo of the incoming track. |
Deangelo Boender
06.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
Yes.. yes YES !!! smart ones. Trap is 70BPM (slow dancing) and DnB is fast dancing 150-170 BPM.
We have contact with higher cognitive brain function here !
>
Whether a song is 70 bpm or 140 bpm, any argument about half time or fractioned tempo, is all a matter of perspective. Unless you verify at the source whatever speed the song was produced at, 70 bpm is just as accurate as 140 bpm. Now, the fact that beat matching tends to be easier and more accurate at higher bpms can be brought up, but that once again is a matter of personal taste. I believe you guys getting all personal about your music genres and tempos makes you sound more like punters or music enthusiasts, than actual djs.
Also, I find the echo freeze works well when you set it to the tempo of the in coming track instead of the track that is playing. It might mess up your sync, since you need the "Master" tempo to be that of the track that isn't actually live yet, but it's still a cool effect. You hit the echo freeze, and it causes the current track to lurch against it's own tempo. It throws people off, but when you bring in the new track, it lays on top of the "intentional trainwreck" perfectly! |
Terrell Marzullo
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by oilythread
Also.... A trap DJ asking newbie questions... Really, we're done here.
Who the fuck said I was a Trap DJ? Just because I made a Trap mix doesnt make me specifically a Trap DJ..
And since your arrogant ass clearly didnt read my OP, heres the very first words in that post
Originally Posted by Starskii
Yes I am a beginner
a trap DJ asking newbie questions.. never said anything about being a Trap DJ over making 1 Trap mix and asking newbie questions.. uhh yea, as I said Im a "beginner" then obviously im new and dont kno alot of shit.. hence why I made the thread asking the question about transition and clearly not about weather Trap is 140 BPM or 40...
idiot, "were done here." |
Jerica Salava
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by oilythread
This. thank you. Also Trap is 70, not 140 (or fuck, it's probably the only genre that you could make a legitimate case that it's quarter-timed.... at 35bpm).
The larger point was that if he's saying Drum n Bass is slower than trap, I want to light him on fire.
Also.... A trap DJ asking newbie questions... Really, we're done here.
Yes.. yes YES !!! smart ones. Trap is 70BPM (slow dancing) and DnB is fast dancing 150-170 BPM.
We have contact with higher cognitive brain function here !
> |
Adrien Witkus
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I believe oilythread was making the point that Drum'n'Bass isn't 88, it's 176.
Either that, or he was just saying that trap is shit, in which case I wholeheartedly agree.
This. thank you. Also Trap is 70, not 140 (or fuck, it's probably the only genre that you could make a legitimate case that it's quarter-timed.... at 35bpm).
The larger point was that if he's saying Drum n Bass is slower than trap, I want to light him on fire.
Also.... A trap DJ asking newbie questions... Really, we're done here. |
Terrell Marzullo
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by ChrisTower
Stop being a facetious dick.
Also long as the transition sounds good and the two tracks aren't jarringly different, then there is no reason not to change up the tempo. In bass music especially, I would encourage tempo changes because it will keep the set sounding fresh and keep your audience on their toes but again, it has to sound good.
Thank you, "as long as the transition sounds good" is the answer I was looking or out of that lol
Originally Posted by JayRuss
Im assuming you were mixing in higher ground by tnght then :L
Na man, Did mix in Higher by Just Blaze & Baauer. Love that track |
Jody Reebel
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by kamjongill
Airhorns and gunshots.
Works for Pauly D huh? lol... |
Nelia Funsten
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by oilythread
Uh huh, we're done here.
Stop being a facetious dick.
Originally Posted by Starskii
So... my mix is avg 140BPM and theres 1 track which is 80 and that means I'm not allowed because of the BPM change? for what reason.. the transition might sound bad
Also long as the transition sounds good and the two tracks aren't jarringly different, then there is no reason not to change up the tempo. In bass music especially, I would encourage tempo changes because it will keep the set sounding fresh and keep your audience on their toes but again, it has to sound good. |
Adrien Witkus
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by Starskii
But yes I recorded a Trap mix and there is a "much slower" BPM compared to the rest of the tracks which is 80.
Uh huh, we're done here. |
Terrell Marzullo
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by oilythread
if you're referring to dubstep or trap as 140, and Drum n Bass as "much slower" at 88.... The solution is that you should stop DJing forever.
Actually I was just throwing numbers out there, they werent any specific BPM. But yes I recorded a Trap mix and there is a "much slower" BPM compared to the rest of the tracks which is 80. Just because its a drastic BPM change means I shouldnt add it, Im only allowed to have tracks in a mix that are of the same general BPM and if they arent I "should stop DJing forever." ?
*Thumbs up for all your LQ help and support. Glad you answered my question.
Thanx for the help from everyone else, the Echo freeze is nice and I'll def be using that when needed. But what is the 'Soft Mix'? |
Georgie Lukowiak
04.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by kamjongill
Airhorns and gunshots.
+1 |
Terrell Marzullo
06.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by DIGITaL MoNKEY
PRACTICE BEATMATCHING!!! This is more important than you know. Not being arrogant but it is the basics, just like learning to tune your guitar, it's needed.
To answer your question, you can also ramp up the tempo on the lead track during a build to make it fit the half tempo of the next track. This is what I use when doing a drop transition. So let's say track A is 140 BPM, and track B is 78. Pitch track A up to 156 during a build up and cue track B so it syncs in time for the drop in track A, then slam the crossfader over to the track B at the right time. Works for me, may not work for you. Really just practice and enjoy, find what works and go with it.
Edit: this also works the other way, pitching down, and you can also pitch both to meet in the middle so the changes aren't too drastic.
Thanx bro ill def be practising this toevening
|
Kenya Viccaro
06.02.2013 | PRACTICE BEATMATCHING!!! This is more important than you know. Not being arrogant but it is the basics, just like learning to tune your guitar, it's needed.
To answer your question, you can also ramp up the tempo on the lead track during a build to make it fit the half tempo of the next track. This is what I use when doing a drop transition. So let's say track A is 140 BPM, and track B is 78. Pitch track A up to 156 during a build up and cue track B so it syncs in time for the drop in track A, then slam the crossfader over to the track B at the right time. Works for me, may not work for you. Really just practice and enjoy, find what works and go with it.
Edit: this also works the other way, pitching down, and you can also pitch both to meet in the middle so the changes aren't too drastic. |
Deangelo Boender
06.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by ErikMinekus
Or as Ean mentions at 1:08, just pause the track that is playing after hitting freeze to have it match the tempo of the incoming track.
I've never had to juggle what track is the master because I don't use the sync button, but this is perfect! |
Kyra Ramquist
06.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by Culture_Shock
Also, I find the echo freeze works well when you set it to the tempo of the in coming track instead of the track that is playing. It might mess up your sync, since you need the "Master" tempo to be that of the track that isn't actually live yet, but it's still a cool effect. You hit the echo freeze, and it causes the current track to lurch against it's own tempo. It throws people off, but when you bring in the new track, it lays on top of the "intentional trainwreck" perfectly!
Or as Ean mentions at 1:08, just pause the track that is playing after hitting freeze to have it match the tempo of the incoming track. |
Deangelo Boender
06.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
Yes.. yes YES !!! smart ones. Trap is 70BPM (slow dancing) and DnB is fast dancing 150-170 BPM.
We have contact with higher cognitive brain function here !
>
Whether a song is 70 bpm or 140 bpm, any argument about half time or fractioned tempo, is all a matter of perspective. Unless you verify at the source whatever speed the song was produced at, 70 bpm is just as accurate as 140 bpm. Now, the fact that beat matching tends to be easier and more accurate at higher bpms can be brought up, but that once again is a matter of personal taste. I believe you guys getting all personal about your music genres and tempos makes you sound more like punters or music enthusiasts, than actual djs.
Also, I find the echo freeze works well when you set it to the tempo of the in coming track instead of the track that is playing. It might mess up your sync, since you need the "Master" tempo to be that of the track that isn't actually live yet, but it's still a cool effect. You hit the echo freeze, and it causes the current track to lurch against it's own tempo. It throws people off, but when you bring in the new track, it lays on top of the "intentional trainwreck" perfectly! |
Terrell Marzullo
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by oilythread
Also.... A trap DJ asking newbie questions... Really, we're done here.
Who the fuck said I was a Trap DJ? Just because I made a Trap mix doesnt make me specifically a Trap DJ..
And since your arrogant ass clearly didnt read my OP, heres the very first words in that post
Originally Posted by Starskii
Yes I am a beginner
a trap DJ asking newbie questions.. never said anything about being a Trap DJ over making 1 Trap mix and asking newbie questions.. uhh yea, as I said Im a "beginner" then obviously im new and dont kno alot of shit.. hence why I made the thread asking the question about transition and clearly not about weather Trap is 140 BPM or 40...
idiot, "were done here." |
Jerica Salava
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by oilythread
This. thank you. Also Trap is 70, not 140 (or fuck, it's probably the only genre that you could make a legitimate case that it's quarter-timed.... at 35bpm).
The larger point was that if he's saying Drum n Bass is slower than trap, I want to light him on fire.
Also.... A trap DJ asking newbie questions... Really, we're done here.
Yes.. yes YES !!! smart ones. Trap is 70BPM (slow dancing) and DnB is fast dancing 150-170 BPM.
We have contact with higher cognitive brain function here !
> |
Jerica Salava
05.02.2013 | |
Adrien Witkus
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
I believe oilythread was making the point that Drum'n'Bass isn't 88, it's 176.
Either that, or he was just saying that trap is shit, in which case I wholeheartedly agree.
This. thank you. Also Trap is 70, not 140 (or fuck, it's probably the only genre that you could make a legitimate case that it's quarter-timed.... at 35bpm).
The larger point was that if he's saying Drum n Bass is slower than trap, I want to light him on fire.
Also.... A trap DJ asking newbie questions... Really, we're done here. |
Lauretta Ehrhorn
05.02.2013 | What's wrong with a slow fade out and playing the next song? Not everything has to be beat matched? If the next song is right then the flow will be maintained.
Echo freeze with a little dash of filter and reverb is very useful too if not overused. |
Terrell Marzullo
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by ChrisTower
Stop being a facetious dick.
Also long as the transition sounds good and the two tracks aren't jarringly different, then there is no reason not to change up the tempo. In bass music especially, I would encourage tempo changes because it will keep the set sounding fresh and keep your audience on their toes but again, it has to sound good.
Thank you, "as long as the transition sounds good" is the answer I was looking or out of that lol
Originally Posted by JayRuss
Im assuming you were mixing in higher ground by tnght then :L
Na man, Did mix in Higher by Just Blaze & Baauer. Love that track |
Jenna Skeem
05.02.2013 | Im assuming you were mixing in higher ground by tnght then :L |
Jody Reebel
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by kamjongill
Airhorns and gunshots.
Works for Pauly D huh? lol... |
Doreen Schurle
05.02.2013 | I believe oilythread was making the point that Drum'n'Bass isn't 88, it's 176.
Either that, or he was just saying that trap is shit, in which case I wholeheartedly agree. |
Nelia Funsten
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by oilythread
Uh huh, we're done here.
Stop being a facetious dick.
Originally Posted by Starskii
So... my mix is avg 140BPM and theres 1 track which is 80 and that means I'm not allowed because of the BPM change? for what reason.. the transition might sound bad
Also long as the transition sounds good and the two tracks aren't jarringly different, then there is no reason not to change up the tempo. In bass music especially, I would encourage tempo changes because it will keep the set sounding fresh and keep your audience on their toes but again, it has to sound good. |
Terrell Marzullo
05.02.2013 | So... my mix is avg 140BPM and theres 1 track which is 80 and that means I'm not allowed because of the BPM change? for what reason.. the transition might sound bad? ..you keep talking but your not saying what your point is.. why dont you clear up what exactly your point is instead of giving me all the HQ posts of yours.. lmao |
Adrien Witkus
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by Starskii
But yes I recorded a Trap mix and there is a "much slower" BPM compared to the rest of the tracks which is 80.
Uh huh, we're done here. |
Terrell Marzullo
05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by oilythread
if you're referring to dubstep or trap as 140, and Drum n Bass as "much slower" at 88.... The solution is that you should stop DJing forever.
Actually I was just throwing numbers out there, they werent any specific BPM. But yes I recorded a Trap mix and there is a "much slower" BPM compared to the rest of the tracks which is 80. Just because its a drastic BPM change means I shouldnt add it, Im only allowed to have tracks in a mix that are of the same general BPM and if they arent I "should stop DJing forever." ?
*Thumbs up for all your LQ help and support. Glad you answered my question.
Thanx for the help from everyone else, the Echo freeze is nice and I'll def be using that when needed. But what is the 'Soft Mix'? |
Georgie Lukowiak
04.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by kamjongill
Airhorns and gunshots.
+1 |
Piedad Apelian
04.02.2013 | "Bartender can i get a drink up in the DJ booth!".... bam right into we run the evening
out of Tetris revenge 160bpm hardmode |
Doreen Schurle
04.02.2013 | Theoretically, if you're quick on the "play" button on Deck B, you could keep Sync on, ramp down the tempo on Deck A slowly, kinda like a brake effect, and drop the new track in at the start of the next phrase. It's all in the timing tbh. |
Jetta Drenzek
04.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by kamjongill
Airhorns and gunshots.
This x1000, every time, every situation.
Oh yeah and a WESTWOOOOOOOOOD name drop. |
Latoria Kavulich
04.02.2013 | Soft Mix or the famous Echo Freeze |
Kandra Fagler
04.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by mattmangrease
This has to sound terrible, dropping it down 18 beats.
if its instrumental its actually not that bad with no keylock (depending on the song of course)
with keylock on the quality is REALLY degraded but... its a workaround, like a transitional method, after this particular song you just drop things on the closer bpm and hope everyone was too drunk to notice the loss in quality during that ONE song |
Arnulfo Morten
04.02.2013 | in traktor in the Grid menu you can use the /2 setting to half your bpm and mix that way. play around with it i've seen other dj's that use sync do that to help with matching beats. |
Sally Walkowiak
04.02.2013 | This has to sound terrible, dropping it down 18 beats.
Originally Posted by DJZILCH
you can slow down the 88 bpm to 70 bpm (Which is half of 140) and you can beatmatch manually
i do this all the time
|
Maude Milesky
05.02.2013 |
I know this is actually a speed up in BPM but I believe its a cool technique that i like to use sometimes |
