Stanton ST8-150 or Technics 1210 MKII for Newcomer?
Stanton ST8-150 or Technics 1210 MKII for Newcomer? Posted on: 21.02.2012 by Brooke Fasthorse Hey all,I realise that this topic has been discussed to death around the internet. So that you're aware, I have already read through this thread: http://community .djranking s.com/showthread.php?t=31965 I was hoping that you might be able to provide some input on my specific requirements. I'm a beginner looking to get into turntablism and after much saving have set aside a little over | |
| Michiko Crute 07.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by djproben
stanton 150/super OEM has 3 times the horsepower 4.5 kg than the 1.5kg of the 1200 so when you put that in the equation (and you keep the pitch always on 0 quartz lock,basically,do not mix skratch/blend as a real dj) that is what that is really good for and the difference is not audible those specs are only for old audiophile farts,not real world djs The turntable direct drive DC servo "magnet motor" patent Technilogy is now an expired patent- There is no secret to the 1200 anymore- it is the start up torque that is what dj really need for a mix . AND FYI, if your turntable is properly setup with the right slipmats,butter rugs or flying carpets so the records don't stick you will have no problem. Basically for real world professional dj use,if you have 2 of the same tuentables with pitch locked at 0,playing 2 of the same tracks and playthem from the same point in sinq from start to end of the track wit no drifting and the song plays normally with no wobbling or pitch drift you are fine,that's all you really care about as a serious dj as soon as you manipulate the record with your hand and or adjust the pitch,rules change (now you know why Technics writes that "quartz" on the top of their turntable it is the crystal-also copied by the clones with different torque engines-thats all-don't get caught up with the "wow and flutter" paper spec sheet- Technics has been using the Quartz for rotational accuracy as a marketing thing since the 70's I know as a Panasonic tech and licened dealer of Panasonic audio products don't let some guy get his panties in a bunch fanboying-it only works with "quartz lock 0% pitch" the slider is just a 22k 5% accurate carbon panasonic 100 mm-thats all-switch the crystal inside the specs change are you running it through a scope or are you djing? Nobody will notice in real world situation-your audience won't. (you can do this with full albums with stanton/superOEMS and not drift at all pitch locked at 0,same test and they run fine with 1200s as well-they both use the same turntable direct drive quartz lock dc servo osicillation technology, just higher horsepower than the 1200 nothing to write home about-both work fine. |
| Michiko Crute 07.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by djproben
now to answer your old concerns on the stanton /superOEMS (don't take offence but the Technics "fanboy" hype is getting tired the "Technics only boys club" shit is played out,it is not 2 years ago It is kind of like Behringer gear - guys used to laugh at it but since Uri Behringer bought Klark Teknik and Midas and their X32 mixer won a few awards for "best new live console of the year" guys are now taking notice Times are changing the old boys are slowly getting knocked off their pertch. Point being-don't get stuck on old rumors and stereotypes - put the gear in real world use if you are good you can make it work. Don't get caught up on a spec sheet. Most people use that as an excuse for gear snobbery or lackluster skills or the juvenile belief of feeling "superior" or some kind of insecurity- councelling maybe? NOW-back on topic the real facts on the stanton 150/superOEMS not Technics fanboy hype 1) First you need to know where the superOEMS come from-who builds them here is the parent company HANPIN ELECTRON http://www.hanpin.com.tw/Products/02_DJ-5500.htmlSynq XTRM1 they make these various brand name tables as well (as well as 5-6 more not listed) Stanton T.120/T.120C Reloop RP6000 Stanton STR8-150/ST 150 Akiyama Acura Citronic PD45 Omnitronic DD5250 American Audio HTD4.5 NOW that you know the source history lets clear the air with the other so called "problems" with stanton 150/superOEMS you can adjust yourself for FREE without tech help (you would have to be a real ASS if you cannot follow these simple instructions, if you can hook up a turntable and mixer,you can do this) ISSUE 1:the "loose tonearm" of the stanton150/superOEM first of all the specs and measurements and materials and construction methods are the same as Technics-aluminum and steel in all the right places completely dissembled both arms are exactly the same-parts are even interchangeable (tonearm tube and counterweight) as well as antiskating gear etc... next The loose Grub screw at the top of the gimbal suspension is easy to adjust,even for hardcore skratchers/turntablists. so any dj complaning of skipping they should watch my little youtube video demo I posted here as proof here's two little youtube videos how to fix for hardcore turntablist/skratch use (easier to see than explain) video 1 video 2 follow this you will have no problems in terms of skipping |
| Michiko Crute 07.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by djproben
Yeah I know of those Kabusa guys in New Jersey,There are guys that can do that 78 rpm mod for less.They have been around for at least a few years now and also offer a separate audiophile power supply kit. Or save yourself the trouble and just get Technics sl1200mk4 with the titanium tonearm and 78 rpm button ( I believe Japan Direct still sells them)I posted this link a good 4 years ago again on Skratchlounge.com here is Japan direct link for Technics sl1200mk4, should still be good http://www.japan-direct.com/cartitem.asp?prodid=553 Now to answer all your stanton 150 questions in order ( I was WAITING for someone to come with this ) no fanboy bullshit or internet hearsay crap,just the hard truth,about time this was made public knowledge, I posted this on Skratchlounge.com YEARS ago 1) the actual super OEM mother company that makes all the superOEM turntables- Hanpin Electron (do you want the address and contact name also?) here is their main site http://www.hanpin.com.tw/Products/02_DJ-5500.html yes,yes,yes,yada,yada,yada HINPIN electron makes all these other brand turntables (if you don't know this list already,been around over at least 6 years) Synq XTRM1 Stanton T.120/T.120C Reloop RP6000 Stanton STR8-150/ST 150 Akiyama Acura Citronic PD45 Omnitronic DD5250 American Audio HTD4.5 and a couple of others at least 5 more brands have been added...etc NOW in terms of the tonearm of the stanton 150/superoem so called problem with "looseness" the grub screw for the gimbal suspension- slightly different design with counter weight but all parts are aluminum just like the Technics 1200- slightly off from factory but who cares you can fix it for FREE, lazybones! you can fix that for free and make it solid as a rock for hardcore turntablist use- my video I posted here as proof that the arm are rock solid after adjustment- no excuses and here is the youtube instructions on how to do it if you do not already know or this one if you did not quite understand correctly,did not cost a penny ( again old knowledge) I would rather post the video link then rewrite this shit all over again- its getting tired,this is OLD news at least a few years old AGAIN- guys keep up with shit! I thought this site was hip to the latest ish! satisfied on the tonearm and see how easy it is to fix? A child can do it. NOW ,the completely needless for serious djs, audiophile "wow and flutter" specs- that most guys read off the side of the box and not using the turntable in real world tests-actual blending beatmixing. You must observe that it balances out with the higher torque of the superOEM/stanton 150s- 4.5 kg compared to 1.5 kg of Technics - that is 3 times the horsepower so wow and flutter will be increased slightly as a tradeoff- The thing is besides reading "specs" in real world analog audio the difference is not even audible or noticeable unless you measure it on a scope- in real world mixing skratching who cares or who would even notice in pro dj use (using pitch to beatmix\blend\skratch) unless the dj mixing is a lame ass punk sucker dj playing at some old farts wedding- definately not a serious competition DMC \ITF dj or someone who is deep in his mixing zone- also the startup torque is actually better than a 1200 it can be adjusted to pretty much CDJ quality instant with the 4.5 kg torque compared to the 1.5 of the Technics- basically if you can mix on a 1200 you can mix on superOEMS But that does not even matter if your turntables are properly set up with the right slipmats,magic carpets or "butterrugs" for the non stick that proper dj need- current slipmat technology has evened the playing field THE "proper" real world test for checking wow and flutter without proper test gear is to play on both turntables in a dj set 2 copies of the same song set at the same pitch playing at the same time. If the song drifts off pitch from beginning to end of track there is your problem- Stanton150s do not drift when done this way,same as 1200s. That is also why Technics puts "quartz" on their turntable for accuracy. It is because of the quartz ossicilating crystal inside- the superOEMS have one as well and their turntables are based on the same magnet motor direct drive design just the same as Technics with more horsepower The wow and flutter argument is really just there for audiophiles,not real world djs that actually use pitch control which on the Technics is a 5% Panasonic carbon variable resistor- that is 5% off accuracy 22k slider The superOEM is a 10k resistor that is IC controlled by the WINBOND chip more than good enough for real world dj use. Basically in short wow and flutter is really not an issue if you are a real world working dj. You will be too busy mixing and using the pitch control adjusting faster and slower pitch beatmixing-thats what it is for,don't get too caught up with "specs on paper" as an arguement as a real world dj with the "wow and flutter" it is really not noticeable,especially with higher torque tables. Lower torque than a 1200 is another story... Build quality is exactly the same as the s arm to straight arm stanton 150's. I have both. Both have 1\4 inch sold steel top (why it is so fucking heavy)and rubber bottom base just like 1200's. the 1200 top is diecast aluminum. There is a ground lift button that works just fine on the stanton 150's and properly setup,they are fine in clubs ( I have never had a problem, and I have set them up in bars\clubs\boats\block parties\basements no problem.The sound guy is probably an idiot or did not adjust his rack properly in my opinion- the stantons are fine. FYI here is a photo of the insides of a stanton 150 if you have never seen one before,actually quite good quality http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps0b84f954.jpg or this,close up of the Black & Manila optical brake sensor http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...64B6C8B2E2.jpg see,the stanton 150 is a quality turntable quite ok for hard core use. Sorry,don't mean to be an asshole but this bull shit hating on stanton 150's without the complete facts is tired and played out like this topic,it is just time I posted this info. What ever you choose to play safe and get 1200s or other brands its up to you- but get the COMPLETE facts without Fanboy hype- try them out at least first |
| Len Lukawski 06.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by WIllpowa
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| Lashawn Maycock 06.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by WIllpowa
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| Rosita Bourdeaux 05.02.2013 | MotivatorThreadNecro.jpg |
| Michiko Crute 05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
even today Panasonic Canada still refers their repairs for 1200s and the like to my shop- FACT What you are saying is strictly fanboy nonsense. There is nothing wrong with the Stantons (150 series) actually the difference is basically that the Stanton\superOEM is digtital ic controlled with the Winbond IC chip and all the internal components are plugin- Technics is not you need to solder to remove parts. Take apart a stanton 150 and see inside yourself if you have electronic knowledge what to look for,it's more than good enough for hardcore dj use. The Technics DC servo "magnet motor " direct drive motor is no secret anymore the patent is public domain. It is actually old technology to be honest from a technical point of view . Besides a collector "fanboy" antique point of view or the owner is on "hard times" or "sucks as a vinyl dj" and needs to sell his tables,that is honestly the only reason to hold on to Technics unless you run a business selling and flipping Technics 1200's-that's it- Stanton 150 series can easily do what Technics does no problem. The technology for the arm/motor/quartz direct dirive has been duplicated by other manufacturers-the service manuals you can get for FREE off the internet and the only reason to own Technics 1200s is for nostalgia now. I run a pro shop and have 12 Technics in rentals where they belong- my personal 4 sets are all stanton 150 tables,I have no need for "Technics antiques" anymore I can get 1200s anytime-big deal . If you are a good dj either one can work you can easilly adjust to the torque no excuses. If you can dj you can dj does not matter the brand or excuses Here is a video I DID on stanton 150's with a cheap american audio qd5 mixer a few years ago just as proof the stanton 150s are good, PS I still use those turntables- all the time |
| Dorie Scelzo 22.02.2012 | They might hold their value, but they are not rare. If you live in a city, it takes less than a full afternoon to find a pair of m5gs in good condition to buy |
| Evelynn Pennycook 22.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by xs2man
but yeah there is a lot of info on the comparisons for a reason. They are both really good decks. |
| Michiko Crute 08.02.2013 | ok, i believe it is time to get the truth out about the Staonton 150/superOEMs not the Technics fanboy crap ,just the truth,to many rumours and shit on the net and it is time to give people the facts and come correct this shit is almost 6 years old now... Dj Proben, here it is 1) the company in China that makes the Stanton 150/ SuperOEMS is Hanpin Electron,here is their site www.hanpin.com.tw/Products/02_DJ-5500.html if you do not know ,they make these brands and at least 5 others... Synq XTRM1 Stanton T.120/T.120C Reloop RP6000 Stanton STR8-150/ST 150 Akiyama Acura Citronic PD45 Omnitronic DD5250 American Audio HTD4.5 2) The "loose" Stanton 150/superOem tonearm Top gimbal suspension Grub screw- problem solved easy fix D.I.Y. for FREE (yes,FREE!) So easy a child can do it. The person that cannot understand how to do this must really be an ASS. Video 1 Video 2 also posted on skratchlounge.com with video http://www.skratchlounge.com/index.p...edle-skip-mod/ next,problem solved. I will explain wow and flutter in detail and why it does not matter for the Stanton 150/superOEM turntables and in comparison to Technics in real world,dj situations when I have more time,thank you WILLPOWA |
| Michiko Crute 07.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by djproben
stanton 150/super OEM has 3 times the horsepower 4.5 kg than the 1.5kg of the 1200 so when you put that in the equation (and you keep the pitch always on 0 quartz lock,basically,do not mix skratch/blend as a real dj) that is what that is really good for and the difference is not audible those specs are only for old audiophile farts,not real world djs The turntable direct drive DC servo "magnet motor" patent Technilogy is now an expired patent- There is no secret to the 1200 anymore- it is the start up torque that is what dj really need for a mix . AND FYI, if your turntable is properly setup with the right slipmats,butter rugs or flying carpets so the records don't stick you will have no problem. Basically for real world professional dj use,if you have 2 of the same tuentables with pitch locked at 0,playing 2 of the same tracks and playthem from the same point in sinq from start to end of the track wit no drifting and the song plays normally with no wobbling or pitch drift you are fine,that's all you really care about as a serious dj as soon as you manipulate the record with your hand and or adjust the pitch,rules change (now you know why Technics writes that "quartz" on the top of their turntable it is the crystal-also copied by the clones with different torque engines-thats all-don't get caught up with the "wow and flutter" paper spec sheet- Technics has been using the Quartz for rotational accuracy as a marketing thing since the 70's I know as a Panasonic tech and licened dealer of Panasonic audio products don't let some guy get his panties in a bunch fanboying-it only works with "quartz lock 0% pitch" the slider is just a 22k 5% accurate carbon panasonic 100 mm-thats all-switch the crystal inside the specs change are you running it through a scope or are you djing? Nobody will notice in real world situation-your audience won't. (you can do this with full albums with stanton/superOEMS and not drift at all pitch locked at 0,same test and they run fine with 1200s as well-they both use the same turntable direct drive quartz lock dc servo osicillation technology, just higher horsepower than the 1200 nothing to write home about-both work fine. |
| Michiko Crute 07.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by djproben
now to answer your old concerns on the stanton /superOEMS (don't take offence but the Technics "fanboy" hype is getting tired the "Technics only boys club" shit is played out,it is not 2 years ago It is kind of like Behringer gear - guys used to laugh at it but since Uri Behringer bought Klark Teknik and Midas and their X32 mixer won a few awards for "best new live console of the year" guys are now taking notice Times are changing the old boys are slowly getting knocked off their pertch. Point being-don't get stuck on old rumors and stereotypes - put the gear in real world use if you are good you can make it work. Don't get caught up on a spec sheet. Most people use that as an excuse for gear snobbery or lackluster skills or the juvenile belief of feeling "superior" or some kind of insecurity- councelling maybe? NOW-back on topic the real facts on the stanton 150/superOEMS not Technics fanboy hype 1) First you need to know where the superOEMS come from-who builds them here is the parent company HANPIN ELECTRON http://www.hanpin.com.tw/Products/02_DJ-5500.htmlSynq XTRM1 they make these various brand name tables as well (as well as 5-6 more not listed) Stanton T.120/T.120C Reloop RP6000 Stanton STR8-150/ST 150 Akiyama Acura Citronic PD45 Omnitronic DD5250 American Audio HTD4.5 NOW that you know the source history lets clear the air with the other so called "problems" with stanton 150/superOEMS you can adjust yourself for FREE without tech help (you would have to be a real ASS if you cannot follow these simple instructions, if you can hook up a turntable and mixer,you can do this) ISSUE 1:the "loose tonearm" of the stanton150/superOEM first of all the specs and measurements and materials and construction methods are the same as Technics-aluminum and steel in all the right places completely dissembled both arms are exactly the same-parts are even interchangeable (tonearm tube and counterweight) as well as antiskating gear etc... next The loose Grub screw at the top of the gimbal suspension is easy to adjust,even for hardcore skratchers/turntablists. so any dj complaning of skipping they should watch my little youtube video demo I posted here as proof here's two little youtube videos how to fix for hardcore turntablist/skratch use (easier to see than explain) video 1 video 2 follow this you will have no problems in terms of skipping |
| Michiko Crute 07.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by djproben
Yeah I know of those Kabusa guys in New Jersey,There are guys that can do that 78 rpm mod for less.They have been around for at least a few years now and also offer a separate audiophile power supply kit. Or save yourself the trouble and just get Technics sl1200mk4 with the titanium tonearm and 78 rpm button ( I believe Japan Direct still sells them)I posted this link a good 4 years ago again on Skratchlounge.com here is Japan direct link for Technics sl1200mk4, should still be good http://www.japan-direct.com/cartitem.asp?prodid=553 Now to answer all your stanton 150 questions in order ( I was WAITING for someone to come with this ) no fanboy bullshit or internet hearsay crap,just the hard truth,about time this was made public knowledge, I posted this on Skratchlounge.com YEARS ago 1) the actual super OEM mother company that makes all the superOEM turntables- Hanpin Electron (do you want the address and contact name also?) here is their main site http://www.hanpin.com.tw/Products/02_DJ-5500.html yes,yes,yes,yada,yada,yada HINPIN electron makes all these other brand turntables (if you don't know this list already,been around over at least 6 years) Synq XTRM1 Stanton T.120/T.120C Reloop RP6000 Stanton STR8-150/ST 150 Akiyama Acura Citronic PD45 Omnitronic DD5250 American Audio HTD4.5 and a couple of others at least 5 more brands have been added...etc NOW in terms of the tonearm of the stanton 150/superoem so called problem with "looseness" the grub screw for the gimbal suspension- slightly different design with counter weight but all parts are aluminum just like the Technics 1200- slightly off from factory but who cares you can fix it for FREE, lazybones! you can fix that for free and make it solid as a rock for hardcore turntablist use- my video I posted here as proof that the arm are rock solid after adjustment- no excuses and here is the youtube instructions on how to do it if you do not already know or this one if you did not quite understand correctly,did not cost a penny ( again old knowledge) I would rather post the video link then rewrite this shit all over again- its getting tired,this is OLD news at least a few years old AGAIN- guys keep up with shit! I thought this site was hip to the latest ish! satisfied on the tonearm and see how easy it is to fix? A child can do it. NOW ,the completely needless for serious djs, audiophile "wow and flutter" specs- that most guys read off the side of the box and not using the turntable in real world tests-actual blending beatmixing. You must observe that it balances out with the higher torque of the superOEM/stanton 150s- 4.5 kg compared to 1.5 kg of Technics - that is 3 times the horsepower so wow and flutter will be increased slightly as a tradeoff- The thing is besides reading "specs" in real world analog audio the difference is not even audible or noticeable unless you measure it on a scope- in real world mixing skratching who cares or who would even notice in pro dj use (using pitch to beatmix\blend\skratch) unless the dj mixing is a lame ass punk sucker dj playing at some old farts wedding- definately not a serious competition DMC \ITF dj or someone who is deep in his mixing zone- also the startup torque is actually better than a 1200 it can be adjusted to pretty much CDJ quality instant with the 4.5 kg torque compared to the 1.5 of the Technics- basically if you can mix on a 1200 you can mix on superOEMS But that does not even matter if your turntables are properly set up with the right slipmats,magic carpets or "butterrugs" for the non stick that proper dj need- current slipmat technology has evened the playing field THE "proper" real world test for checking wow and flutter without proper test gear is to play on both turntables in a dj set 2 copies of the same song set at the same pitch playing at the same time. If the song drifts off pitch from beginning to end of track there is your problem- Stanton150s do not drift when done this way,same as 1200s. That is also why Technics puts "quartz" on their turntable for accuracy. It is because of the quartz ossicilating crystal inside- the superOEMS have one as well and their turntables are based on the same magnet motor direct drive design just the same as Technics with more horsepower The wow and flutter argument is really just there for audiophiles,not real world djs that actually use pitch control which on the Technics is a 5% Panasonic carbon variable resistor- that is 5% off accuracy 22k slider The superOEM is a 10k resistor that is IC controlled by the WINBOND chip more than good enough for real world dj use. Basically in short wow and flutter is really not an issue if you are a real world working dj. You will be too busy mixing and using the pitch control adjusting faster and slower pitch beatmixing-thats what it is for,don't get too caught up with "specs on paper" as an arguement as a real world dj with the "wow and flutter" it is really not noticeable,especially with higher torque tables. Lower torque than a 1200 is another story... Build quality is exactly the same as the s arm to straight arm stanton 150's. I have both. Both have 1\4 inch sold steel top (why it is so fucking heavy)and rubber bottom base just like 1200's. the 1200 top is diecast aluminum. There is a ground lift button that works just fine on the stanton 150's and properly setup,they are fine in clubs ( I have never had a problem, and I have set them up in bars\clubs\boats\block parties\basements no problem.The sound guy is probably an idiot or did not adjust his rack properly in my opinion- the stantons are fine. FYI here is a photo of the insides of a stanton 150 if you have never seen one before,actually quite good quality http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps0b84f954.jpg or this,close up of the Black & Manila optical brake sensor http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...64B6C8B2E2.jpg see,the stanton 150 is a quality turntable quite ok for hard core use. Sorry,don't mean to be an asshole but this bull shit hating on stanton 150's without the complete facts is tired and played out like this topic,it is just time I posted this info. What ever you choose to play safe and get 1200s or other brands its up to you- but get the COMPLETE facts without Fanboy hype- try them out at least first |
| Len Lukawski 06.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by WIllpowa
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| Lashawn Maycock 06.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by WIllpowa
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| Danae Dumler 06.02.2013 | I have played with the Stantons and did some research on them; they have a lot of great features that Technics don't have. Extra torque and the extra pitch control are just gimmicks frankly, but the ability to play 78s is nice, as is keylock. But the build quality is just not there when compared to the Technics. Sure, digitaldjtips and djworx gave these things great reviews for their features, but they looked more at the features than the build details of the table. The tonearm is one significant issue; many complain it feels cheap and flimsy; it comes from a factory in China that also makes tonearms for cheaper Denon tables; there are reports of people getting hum from the tonearm connection as well. Of course I'm talking about the S-shaped tonearm; you could get the straight tonearm instead if you want to ruin your records; I really don't know about the build quality on it though. A bigger problem is flutter; stated specs are about 4-10 times higher than any 1200 model -- something like .1%. This wouldn't be a real complaint about a $100-250 turntable but for a table that retails for 599 and markets itself as a 1200-killer I'd consider this a deal breaker. The speed control of the motor is just not as accurate or stable as the 1200s (particularly the later models). That said, there are people who love these decks, and the extra features are nice. There's even a company that will trick one out for you with a wood base and upgraded electronics to make it look and feel like an "audiophile" unit if that's your thing, though I still don't believe they've conquered the flutter issue. If you want extra features and you like modified tables though, this guy will modify your 1200 to give you 78 RPM among other changes. |
| Brunilda Kora 07.02.2013 | .........next you'll be saying that Grandmaster Flash didn't appear on The Message... |
| Brunilda Kora 07.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by WIllpowa
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| Michiko Crute 06.02.2013 | That old school shit talk does not impress me , I was not born yesterday,don't hate .I was born in Brooklyn and been in hiphop since a kid in my preteens ,late 70s son- before those Jersey bums Sugarhill Gang made Rapper's Deight. Yeah I started on belt drives,been there done that and all that noise,including cutting on 45 records and even pressed vinyl myself- come with something original,you are not dealing with your homies in the 'hood,long past that kids stuff,its played out. |
| Lashawn Maycock 06.02.2013 | Aside from the resurrection of a year old post... a little amuse bouche for you: You're not a real DJ until you've mastered the art of a belt drive.... a proper DJ would dig out a pair of DLP1's with 20 year old belts and well used 500AL Mk2 carts & styli.... then scratch the t1ts off them...!! I'll get me coat....... ....OP, did you get Technics? |
| Leeanna Ayla 05.02.2013 | LOL, must have come up in a Google search. I find myself guilty of the same thing on occasion. |
| Rosita Bourdeaux 05.02.2013 | MotivatorThreadNecro.jpg |
| Michiko Crute 05.02.2013 |
Originally Posted by mostapha
even today Panasonic Canada still refers their repairs for 1200s and the like to my shop- FACT What you are saying is strictly fanboy nonsense. There is nothing wrong with the Stantons (150 series) actually the difference is basically that the Stanton\superOEM is digtital ic controlled with the Winbond IC chip and all the internal components are plugin- Technics is not you need to solder to remove parts. Take apart a stanton 150 and see inside yourself if you have electronic knowledge what to look for,it's more than good enough for hardcore dj use. The Technics DC servo "magnet motor " direct drive motor is no secret anymore the patent is public domain. It is actually old technology to be honest from a technical point of view . Besides a collector "fanboy" antique point of view or the owner is on "hard times" or "sucks as a vinyl dj" and needs to sell his tables,that is honestly the only reason to hold on to Technics unless you run a business selling and flipping Technics 1200's-that's it- Stanton 150 series can easily do what Technics does no problem. The technology for the arm/motor/quartz direct dirive has been duplicated by other manufacturers-the service manuals you can get for FREE off the internet and the only reason to own Technics 1200s is for nostalgia now. I run a pro shop and have 12 Technics in rentals where they belong- my personal 4 sets are all stanton 150 tables,I have no need for "Technics antiques" anymore I can get 1200s anytime-big deal . If you are a good dj either one can work you can easilly adjust to the torque no excuses. If you can dj you can dj does not matter the brand or excuses Here is a video I DID on stanton 150's with a cheap american audio qd5 mixer a few years ago just as proof the stanton 150s are good, PS I still use those turntables- all the time |
| Dorie Scelzo 22.02.2012 | They might hold their value, but they are not rare. If you live in a city, it takes less than a full afternoon to find a pair of m5gs in good condition to buy |
| Brooke Fasthorse 22.02.2012 | Wow, I wasn't expecting so many responses - really appreciate it! Although I was initially drawn by the Stantons simply because I was getting them new for the same price as used Technics, I'm now pretty convinced I'll go for the Technics. Proven durability, industry standard, fit the novation dicers snugly, and I get to learn on the decks used in clubs and by most DJs. Importantly, though, they're also becoming rare and will hold their value, so in the unlikely case that I want to sell them for a pair of Stantons I'll have the option. And should I run into a technical problem, it seems like there's a lot of available support for Technics. Thanks for all the help/advice! |
| Dorie Scelzo 22.02.2012 | I didn't waste time with any of the responses, as I only have one comment. Stantons are not worth 500 quid. I just paid over twice what I could have gotten ST-150s for for 1200mk2s in "bleh" cosmetic shape, and I'm happier with that decision. Lots of people like them, but I believe stantons suck. |
| Evelynn Pennycook 22.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by xs2man
but yeah there is a lot of info on the comparisons for a reason. They are both really good decks. |
| Freddie Henrichs 22.02.2012 | Technics or go home! |
| Tamela Batara 22.02.2012 | Fair enough on wanting them cd decks. On the two links you posted though, both of them, in almost every paragraph, compare the decks to the Technics though. There is a reason for that. |
| Ngan Ernestine 22.02.2012 | wrong sub |
| Audrey Pinda 22.02.2012 | Honestly I was in the middle of typing something long and all over the place. Just get the Technics. It's what is hailed as the golden standard, the torque/features are exactly what you'll find anywhere else and anything more is really overkill, and they are built like tanks. It's why I bought them, because I didn't want to settle for second best. They are the standard for a reason. |
| Evelynn Pennycook 22.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by xs2man
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| Evelynn Pennycook 22.02.2012 | http://www.digitaldjtips.com/2010/12...-dj-turntable/ read this. or this http://www.skratchworx.com/reviews/str8-150.php (last paragraph is good) |
| Romelia Stankard 22.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by rsciangula
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| Tamela Batara 22.02.2012 |
Originally Posted by rsciangula
Not having a go or anything, just curious. I would never dream of selling my 1210's and I haven't used them in years, lol. |
| Arlinda Finazzo 22.02.2012 | I bought "other" direct-drive turntables, before I bought Technics... it was only 6 months later before I sold them and upgraded to Technics 12's. As previously mentioned Technics are built like tanks... they will last a long time to come. And while anyone can adapt while in a club when they come to play on 12's... why not just learn on and fall in love with the industry standard? |
| Evelynn Pennycook 22.02.2012 | def stanton's if you do the research and check reviews online the stanton's are better in almost every way. It's the new vinyl standard period. I am currently selling mine in new condition w/ cases in Virginia Beach,VA. if your near me and interested. |
| Len Lukawski 22.02.2012 | Firstly, we should get this moved to appropriate community
... Karlos? Photo? As you can see, I am using a bigger font which means that what I say is probably the most important Tribes: Tribes will always exist. Technics Tribes, Vestax Tribes, Stanton, Numark, Breville Tribes. This makes it difficult for anyone asking these kinds of questions as the advice is often bias, but you can't blame people for having passion. I have owned several sets of the decks over the last 15 years but will always be in the Technics tribe. Even when I had a pair of excellent Numark TTXs, I was still a Technics guy. I am just pointing this out to assist with navigating any thread of this kind of subject. But do remember that I am using a bigger font so what I am telling you is the absolute truth. Torque Torque is useful but its not the B-all or end-all. While you will see turtnablists using Stantons and Vetsax etc, the vast majority of them use Technics. Given that Technics have less torque than the other models, why are they still so popular? I believe a lot of it has to do with technique. Great scratchers are very light handed meaning that while they may be moving the record back and fourth rapidly, they are not exerting a lot of downward pressure and thus are not causing the platter to slow or stop (although there are a few scratches that require some download pressure in order to slow/stop the scratch) In that respect torque becomes less relevant. For people that do exert downward pressure on the platter (maybe because they are still learning or it's just their personal technique) getting back to full speed as quickly as possible is everything and torque becomes key. Wow & Flutter Just as Technics have less torque, they also have less wow/flutter. In this case that's a very good thing for mixing as less wow/flutter equals less fluctuations in pitch, meaning you spend less time tweaking an correcting mixes. I found the TTXs to require more to keep mixes in time than Technics. Parts and Servicing New decks are great as they do come with a warranty. Having said that, the warranty only represents a fraction of overall life expectancy of the deck. New decks are also great because you know how they have been used. Further down the line, years after the warranty has expired, its important that whatever you buy has parts available and can be serviced or repaired without sending it to the other side of the world. I have no idea how common Stanton service shop/repair places but I know of half a dozen places that do Technics who are located within an hour's drive of me. Conversely, I have a Vestax PDX2000 that I cannot find a reasonably priced platter for anywhere. Standardization Its true that Technics are the standard but its also true that you may well run into Technics that have not been well maintained and may be tough to play on. From the scratcher's perspective, the mixer is even more critical. I would just rather own Technics and if I'm honest, I don't believe I would be switching them out if every club suddenly went to vestax next month. You Forget taking our advice, go play on both sets and see what you like. I have made many mistakes by buying something or going somewhere based on other people's recommendations. Nobody on here is ponying up the cash for your tables, it's all you. At the end of the day, they are both good decks, it's just a matter of figuring out what's important to you. |
| Hipolito Scionti 22.02.2012 | What would you "love" more? Like in your heart... technics or stantons? |
| Tressa Schemenauer 22.02.2012 | Technics... I bought both of mine second hand almost 15 years ago and have done my own servicing; I can tell you they are built like tanks. I've seen one (not mine) fall off a DJ table bounce bounce off the stage and then fall another distance onto a concrete floor :eek: - and still work fine (they were lucky that the tone arm assembly didn't get damaged). I've owned other Stanton gear and have been disappointed with the build quality. All around the Technics are better. |
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