Producing and DJing with Logic

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Producing and DJing with Logic
Posted on: 07.02.2013 by Timothy Natour
Hello everyone.

I know this is a dj community , but I believe you would know what I'm talking about.

I am planning to buy Logic Pro 9, a maschine micro, nanokontrol and other software (sausage fattener, turnado)
And with the maschine I will get massive and 6gb of other VSTI's.

I was wondering:
1. If you could mix songs (yes dj) with logic.
2. if you could put chroma caps on the maschine micro and nanokontrol?
3. Should I get something else instead of [software/hardware]?

The main reason I want:
1. the maschine comes with 6gb of software
2. The nanokontrol has 8 knobs, for the 8 turnado knobs
3. I'd rathe be able to feel and see what I'm doing instead of touching a flat screen.

Yeah, I hope you can provide me advice on the above.

Tl;dr:
Getting logic, maschine micro and nanokontrol

1. If you could mix songs (yes dj) with logic.
2. if you could put chroma caps on the maschine micro and nanokontrol?
3. Should I get something else instead of [software/hardware]?
Efrain Scharr
11.02.2013
Originally Posted by AllDay
Everyone I know says the exact opposite but maybe its different where you live.
I live in a far away and where we first learned how to use hardware, then we learned how to implement those techniques to software...
Timothy Natour
10.02.2013
Originally Posted by DJZILCH
un-LOGICal
I see what you did there...
Timothy Natour
10.02.2013
Originally Posted by botstein
I don't believe I need to pile on and recommend Ableton, but what attracts you to Turnado? I would skip on everything by sugar bytes. Check out The Finger, The Mouth, Buffeater, Stutter Edit, etc. that have the same functionality.

I learned a lot about Ableton from some excellent humans.
Yeah... I have a price with all of it, though 'AWW HAYEL NAW' and dropped sylenth and turnado. $1114 = maschine with plate, ableton and sausage fattener by dada life!
Tera Baragan
09.02.2013
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Maybe for you it wasn't an easy learn, but for many it is. I am not talking about how to make music, or how music theory works, I am talking about simply learning how to operate the program. The layout is much easier as well as the more basic operations of the program itself.
Everyone I know says the exact opposite but maybe its different where you live.
Timothy Natour
09.02.2013
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
There's a page that lists chromacap compatibility if you want to know if your controller can have Chroma caps.

https://store.djranking s.com/products/chroma-caps

That said, I really do believe the Push the best option. If you haven't seen the Jeremy Ellis video yet, you should:
Yeah but ow long does this sale go on for? Until ableton 9 is released?
Timothy Natour
09.02.2013
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
I also really wouldn't make your decision based on chroma caps...
I'm not, just checking. I love the look of them.
Efrain Scharr
10.02.2013
Originally Posted by AllDay
Ableton is not easier to learn at all lol. Its just the better program for sampling and live performances.
Maybe for you it wasn't an easy learn, but for many it is. I am not talking about how to make music, or how music theory works, I am talking about simply learning how to operate the program. The layout is much easier as well as the more basic operations of the program itself.
Efrain Scharr
10.02.2013
Originally Posted by BitPixel
Where'd you guys learn ableton? ableton-courses.com look like the best for me.
At the time I was producing under the name Tattoo Detectives with another guy who I still colab on things with, Gabriel Ben. We were using Reason 2, this is back in 2004 i believe. So he bought the program and we just started to learn it and experimenting making tracks. We mostly watched youtube videos explaining certain things about it and how to do the normal stuff we already knew how to do. We had a background of already working on music in DAWs and with hardware. It realy boiled down to just learning how to activate the internal plugins and VSTs for us. I believe you will also need to teach yourself how the theory of the music is put together as well as what you are controlling when you use a vst or a plugin instrument/effect... There are a ton of online videos now explaining how to use Ableton, I truly believe that will be your best bet.
Randal Biza
09.02.2013
Originally Posted by BitPixel
Edit again: Where'd you guys learn ableton? ableton-courses.com look like the best for me.
Power through the manual. Search YouTube.....there are SO many tutorials.

Once you have your bearings, just try producing a song and search Google when you run into something you don't know how to do. Most important thing is to spend time producing stuff. It might be a year before you create anything you're really happy with. It's a very time-consuming hobby but obviously very rewarding.
Efrain Scharr
11.02.2013
Originally Posted by AllDay
Everyone I know says the exact opposite but maybe its different where you live.
I live in a far away and where we first learned how to use hardware, then we learned how to implement those techniques to software...
Timothy Natour
10.02.2013
Originally Posted by DJZILCH
un-LOGICal
I see what you did there...
Timothy Natour
10.02.2013
Originally Posted by botstein
I don't believe I need to pile on and recommend Ableton, but what attracts you to Turnado? I would skip on everything by sugar bytes. Check out The Finger, The Mouth, Buffeater, Stutter Edit, etc. that have the same functionality.

I learned a lot about Ableton from some excellent humans.
Yeah... I have a price with all of it, though 'AWW HAYEL NAW' and dropped sylenth and turnado. $1114 = maschine with plate, ableton and sausage fattener by dada life!
Kandra Fagler
10.02.2013
i wouldnt dj with logic

its missing some of the critical features found in ableton that is more suited for djing and especially... THE WARPING

i own both being an audio engineering student and every-time i try to warp something in logic i end up kicking myself coz when you get used to ableton's warping engine (Suuuuper easy), logic becomes so annoyingly un-LOGICal that you dont ever wanna warp anything in logic

oh and i got the maschine mikro too - there is only ONe rotatary so if you buy chroma caps you can probably change that one single rotary
Ervin Calvery
10.02.2013
I don't believe I need to pile on and recommend Ableton, but what attracts you to Turnado? I would skip on everything by sugar bytes. Check out The Finger, The Mouth, Buffeater, Stutter Edit, etc. that have the same functionality.

I learned a lot about Ableton from some excellent humans.
Tera Baragan
09.02.2013
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Maybe for you it wasn't an easy learn, but for many it is. I am not talking about how to make music, or how music theory works, I am talking about simply learning how to operate the program. The layout is much easier as well as the more basic operations of the program itself.
Everyone I know says the exact opposite but maybe its different where you live.
Timothy Natour
09.02.2013
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
There's a page that lists chromacap compatibility if you want to know if your controller can have Chroma caps.

https://store.djranking s.com/products/chroma-caps

That said, I really do believe the Push the best option. If you haven't seen the Jeremy Ellis video yet, you should:
Yeah but ow long does this sale go on for? Until ableton 9 is released?
Gaynell Rydberg
09.02.2013
There's a page that lists chromacap compatibility if you want to know if your controller can have Chroma caps.

https://store.djranking s.com/products/chroma-caps

That said, I really do believe the Push the best option. If you haven't seen the Jeremy Ellis video yet, you should:
Timothy Natour
09.02.2013
Originally Posted by SlvrDragon50
I also really wouldn't make your decision based on chroma caps...
I'm not, just checking. I love the look of them.
Orval Locascio
09.02.2013
researching and knowing your sh*t is first. Learning/knowing your gear so that your sound is unique and professional is second. looking pretty with the latest shiniest gear is a very distant third. When you have high end stuff that's modded with pretty pink chroma caps and the like, your expected to know how to use it and when you don't...not a good look.
there are no short cuts. if your familiar with mac osx than logic is a natural entry point. ableton is probably a bit more all encompassing. neither are easy to learn but as others have said, there is a BUNCH of you tube vids...free education.
Efrain Scharr
10.02.2013
Originally Posted by AllDay
Ableton is not easier to learn at all lol. Its just the better program for sampling and live performances.
Maybe for you it wasn't an easy learn, but for many it is. I am not talking about how to make music, or how music theory works, I am talking about simply learning how to operate the program. The layout is much easier as well as the more basic operations of the program itself.
Efrain Scharr
10.02.2013
Originally Posted by BitPixel
Where'd you guys learn ableton? ableton-courses.com look like the best for me.
At the time I was producing under the name Tattoo Detectives with another guy who I still colab on things with, Gabriel Ben. We were using Reason 2, this is back in 2004 i believe. So he bought the program and we just started to learn it and experimenting making tracks. We mostly watched youtube videos explaining certain things about it and how to do the normal stuff we already knew how to do. We had a background of already working on music in DAWs and with hardware. It realy boiled down to just learning how to activate the internal plugins and VSTs for us. I believe you will also need to teach yourself how the theory of the music is put together as well as what you are controlling when you use a vst or a plugin instrument/effect... There are a ton of online videos now explaining how to use Ableton, I truly believe that will be your best bet.
Randal Biza
09.02.2013
Originally Posted by BitPixel
Edit again: Where'd you guys learn ableton? ableton-courses.com look like the best for me.
Power through the manual. Search YouTube.....there are SO many tutorials.

Once you have your bearings, just try producing a song and search Google when you run into something you don't know how to do. Most important thing is to spend time producing stuff. It might be a year before you create anything you're really happy with. It's a very time-consuming hobby but obviously very rewarding.
Gaynell Rydberg
09.02.2013
I also really wouldn't make your decision based on chroma caps...
Nedra Fresneda
09.02.2013
Originally Posted by BitPixel
Would i be able to put chroma caps on push? Can i use push for turnado? the 8 knobs/effects?
The controller isn't even out, no one has tested the caps on it. Yes, turnado can be mapped for any controller.
Timothy Natour
09.02.2013
Would i be able to put chroma caps on push? Can i use push for turnado? the 8 knobs/effects?
Timothy Natour
09.02.2013
Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
So you are buying Logic because you "like the look of it"? Not the best idea in my opinion...

For one it is not the prettiest software on the market. Reason looks a lot cooler. More importantly the look of the software is not gonna help with your production one single bit. Ableton is a lot easier to learn. I learned on Reason back when it first came out, then switched to Ableton, then to Logic, and back to Ableton. Do some more research, Ableton has some magnificent capabilities. Ultimately you need to decide which is the best DAW for you, but please don't choose a platform based on the looks.
Holy shit, I just realised what I was saying. I'm pretty sure im gonna go for ableton now that you mentions it, and I did some more research on logic. http://imgur.com/apiLeVM

I'm brand new to production. But, I read some stuff, and djing, plus producing?!?! Best bet. plus free ableton 9 upgrade.

Ableton:
Price:

They do say it's an expensive hobby.

Plus if i believe about it, all my favorite artists use ableton, Deadmau5, Dada Life, Datsik.

Edit: ABLETON IS ONLY $337????? HOLY SHIIIIITTTT
Edit again: Where'd you guys learn ableton? ableton-courses.com look like the best for me.
Georgie Lukowiak
08.02.2013
I believe that Logic is a Mac only software as well

And also , you don't need to buy a ton of shit to make music . You can do it with just your computer . Take your time , see what program suits you best & learn the ins and outs of it

THEN , you may look at controllers.
Cassidy Galindez
08.02.2013
Ableton is really awesome but it takes a bit of time to learn.
Tera Baragan
08.02.2013
I dont understand why so many people wanna jump in with so much stuff before even knowing the program. Its confusing lol.

Originally Posted by LanceBlaise
Ableton is a lot easier to learn. I learned on Reason back when it first came out, then switched to Ableton, then to Logic, and back to Ableton.
Ableton is not easier to learn at all lol. Its just the better program for sampling and live performances.
Doreen Schurle
08.02.2013
Personally I produce in Adobe Audition (for remixes) and Reason (for original tracks) using a trusty mouse and a MIDI keyboard.
Florene Tolo
08.02.2013
Another vote for Ableton. Right now it's 25% off and you get a free upgrade to 9 when it gets released soon.

If you're just starting out, I wouldn't worry about getting a ton of gear and VSTs until you learn the basics, which you can do with just Ableton. It may take you a year to get comfortable enough to release your first track, so do it in baby steps before you throw your eggs all in one basket.
Efrain Scharr
08.02.2013
So you are buying Logic because you "like the look of it"? Not the best idea in my opinion...

For one it is not the prettiest software on the market. Reason looks a lot cooler. More importantly the look of the software is not gonna help with your production one single bit. Ableton is a lot easier to learn. I learned on Reason back when it first came out, then switched to Ableton, then to Logic, and back to Ableton. Do some more research, Ableton has some magnificent capabilities. Ultimately you need to decide which is the best DAW for you, but please don't choose a platform based on the looks.
Shirley Asta
08.02.2013
abelton ftw. its more user friendly than logic and it has alot more opportunities for mixing and plug ins
Gaynell Rydberg
08.02.2013
You can definitely produce in Ableton.

You combine loops to create a song. I'm new to production as well, but I dont find production in Ableton necessarily difficult.
Timothy Natour
08.02.2013
I like the look of it. Plus, it's cheaper than 800 dollars, which is what all of what I'm getting is.

Edit: when I had no idea what I was doing, I got a launchpad, with ableton demo. I kinda saw ableton as something you run loops through to make music, and I couldn't see how to actually put together a song.
Gaynell Rydberg
08.02.2013
Why do you want Logic so badly?
Timothy Natour
07.02.2013
I might start with logic, and try it out, and move to something else if I don't like it. Like datsik did.
Georgie Lukowiak
07.02.2013
+1 on Ableton for DJing and producing.

If you really insist on using Logic , you might as well get another software like Traktor , VDJ , Serato for djing !
Randal Biza
07.02.2013
If you're looking for one piece of software you can DJ and produce with, then yes Ableton. If you're looking for an Ableton controller that you can DJ and produce with, I would recommend the Akai APC 40 or, like SlvrDragon50 said, wait for Push.

You could DJ with a Maschine, but you'd have less control. However, Maschine makes for a fantastic production tool, especially with Ableton. I have both and love them.
Timothy Natour
07.02.2013
Bump for more opinions.

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