iPad mixing
iPad mixing Posted on: 16.12.2012 by Lavona Pers Hi all, needing some help. I'm gunna buy an ipad 2 to do mixing on.. just wondering what spec ipad i should get 16/32/64gb etc. Can you use TPRO2 on these? I was looking at the i rig system looks hot? Or can you use a Tablet?Sorry if this has already been asked. Any advice/help very much appreciated, thx Rastey | |
Janyce Henningson 19.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by homeboy303
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Janyce Henningson 19.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by homeboy303
http://mididesigner.com/ Pretty cool app - supercontrols etc. - worth the money imo |
Geri Jarra 20.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Please tell me where in this elaborate thread does anyone actually refer to this concern I raised? because I checked |
Tomi Zigmund 19.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by homeboy303
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Geri Jarra 18.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
http://www.djranking s.com/2012/11/2...ng-techniques/ Anyway I know I would flip out if I played a gig with an ipad, when all the sudden I can't adjust the faders because my fingers are too sweaty. Plus I like to look at the crowd a lot when I mix, making the physical knobs and faders a must. I just wouldn't want to be looking down at a pad on the table the whole time, but thats just me |
Julissa Serrone 18.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
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Roxy Susano 16.02.2013 | Here some from TouchAble, its great... Here the MixVibes Features, i love control the effects with the touch panel http://www.mixvibes.com/content/products/crossdj-ipad And here all about beatmaker, this is REALY great: http://www.intua.net/products/beatmaker2 |
Roxy Susano 16.02.2013 | Ok, just to say... I use one iPad 2 64gb to play sometimes. And i can tell u, ITS GREAT. 3 APPS PERFECTS for ANY ocasion: DJing: CrossDJ from MixVibes - You have a lot of good apps like DJay and other... But i LOVe this one. Get it and u will see why They have two versions, one for run directly in the iPad and other one which works like a controller for the program running in a PC or MAC. MIDI COntroller for the Ableton Live: TouchAble - Simple, Perfect, Great, Awesome. You can see all in your iPad screen exactly how they apear in the computer screen and control everthing through the iPad. Music Production: BeatMaker 2 - Its a COMPLETE app for create music. Just that. U can do ALL the job on the iPad. So, the time for iPad or touch and mobile devices for DJing and music production IS NOW! GO GO GO MAN! PS: Sorry for my bad english, i learn it alone :/ |
Francina Decosse 15.02.2013 | Jumping in this forgotten thread. I've already did about 5-6 out-of-house parties with the iPad only last year. DJay did very well for solid hours sets on an iPad 3. At first, I had no pre-cuing, but later with iOS 6 I got a behringer UCA202, which just works on the iPad. There was no sweat issue, although I was literally bathing while dancing and playing . The iPad handles the liquid drops perfectly acceptable. I did some mixing mistakes, but it wasn't the pad's fault, but mine. Track selecting on the pad is superb, EQing, not great on the DJay app GUI and I was using the house mixer to adjust EQs and levels. All in all, great fun, very acceptable for a portable setup. At the end of January, I upgrade to iPad4/64/cellular and that thing is a beast. I don't currently own a laptop and the iPad is my primary mobile computer. And it works perfectly well for me A to Z. Last week, I also sold my S4 and got a VCI-400 so I can use it with the iPad & DJPlayer. Was hoping the Z2 will work, but no - it can't be switched to MIDI without connection to a computer with Controller Manager installed - MIDI is drivers only, unfortunately. For Audio Z2 works, but MIDI is a NoGo. Also checked with DJM-T1 - the oposite, MIDI works, but no Audio. Anyway, VCI-400 is just PERFECT for DJPlayer, I'm very happy! Last evening , I did my first public set on the vci-400 with DJPlayer. It was 5 super fun hours. Mixing, looping, effecting, cue juggling, everything. Sound quality is very good for an average bar system, even with the in-app mixer. Battery of the iPad was at about 40% after the 5 hours. I have switched to iPad DJing, yes. I'm an early adopter and I'm happy about it. Can I get myself a proper MBP, install Traktor and Serato and not bother with the iPad's limitations? Perhaps yes but I enjoy it more like this for now. It has to start from somewhere and eventually grow to a pro level. I'm not a pro, so I can afford to ride the bumpy way of the early adopters. Eventually, I will contribute to this evolution in some/many ways. Apps wise, DJPlayer is great - I love it. There may areas for improvements of it, but the app is already usable for real work. The VCI-400 is my controller of choice for it. There are also those "made for iPad", but I find them toyish. Besides the DJay & DJPlayer, I've also discovered the MixVies Cross app few weeks ago, and dare to say that it seems better than DJay. When I do an iPad-only set again, I would probably do it with the MV Cross - much better use of the screen estate and amazing access to the features. There's some bug with it on iPad2/3 and iOS 6 - audio drops on track load, but I don't have it on iPad4. MV say that fix is coming, and also, they will enable MIDI support on the iPad app. First for their own U-MIX Pro, later for others hopefully. I will probably try one of http://theauris.com/ to see how remote bluetooth will work. These guys claim that they have some better protocol than the A2DP, which is less compressed. If this sounds good enough for remote playback, it will be very nice. In general, BT configuration is supposed to allow me to use the local headphones for pre-cueing, while Master on remote with relatively low latency. We'll see about that. So those of you who believe that iPad is only in the future - wrong, it's in the NOW already. Is it usable for big Clubs - probably yes, but the softwares are still a bit limited. For bars, small clubs and mobile use, it's enough already. My experience is that a VCi-400+iPad kit is as good as a CDJ-400 + mixer setup (CD playback aside), which I used to have before I got an S4 two years ago. More or less, all that I could do on CDJ-400s, I can now do with the iPad+VCI-400+DJplayer. |
Janyce Henningson 19.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by homeboy303
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Tomi Zigmund 19.12.2012 | Very cool app, thanks for the link! Back to my other point, not sure if tablets have enough horsepower to have the same level of features. However, I believe the touchscreen gives developers an opportunity to change the way people perform with music. I grew up twiddling knobs and slamming faders, so that is natural for me. The next generation DJ probably not locked into a the historical approach to performance. I work in IT and see it all the time. Older people work with applications the traditional way, the younger people do things with a fresh perspective. 10 years from now we will probably look at laptops like we look at turntables. |
Janyce Henningson 19.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by homeboy303
http://mididesigner.com/ Pretty cool app - supercontrols etc. - worth the money imo |
Janyce Henningson 19.12.2012 | He means using a controller with the iPad mate - just using the iPad as the computer... |
Geri Jarra 20.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Please tell me where in this elaborate thread does anyone actually refer to this concern I raised? because I checked |
Tomi Zigmund 19.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by homeboy303
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Tomi Zigmund 19.12.2012 | What program are you using that allows iPad as a secondary controller? That seems like an good use for adding a tablet to the mix. At this point in the game, not sure if a tablet has enough performance to handle heavy utilization of effects, remix decks, etc. |
Janyce Henningson 18.12.2012 | I don't see a difference whether you use an iPad, PC or a Mac as your software platform tbh. It's a computer - whether you use a cheap droid tablet or a $5000 macbook - it's still just a computer. Tablets as controllers is another point and I don't believe that works if you use the tablet on its own. I use an iPad as a secondary controller for loading fx, changing layouts, browsing etc. and it's cool for that, but faders/knobs just don't feel 'right'. Of course that's because I'm used to real faders/knobs - some new kid might not have ever twiddled a knob and find a tablet to be fine. |
Diogo Dj Dragão 18.12.2012 |
You guys act like no DJ has ever used an Ipad.. Its not a revolutionary idea here.
However, the article you refer to has absolutely NOTHING to do with DJing on an iPad. And the discussion in this thread has nothing to do with TouchOSC or any other MIDI control app. The OP wanted to use the iPad as a SOURCE - the sole computing platform. Not as just another controller.
Anyway I know I would flip out if I played a gig with an ipad, when all the sudden I can't adjust the faders because my fingers are too sweaty.
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Geri Jarra 18.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
http://www.djranking s.com/2012/11/2...ng-techniques/ Anyway I know I would flip out if I played a gig with an ipad, when all the sudden I can't adjust the faders because my fingers are too sweaty. Plus I like to look at the crowd a lot when I mix, making the physical knobs and faders a must. I just wouldn't want to be looking down at a pad on the table the whole time, but thats just me |
Rolanda Clodfelder 18.12.2012 | Almost forgot about the Vestax Spin MK2, designed to be used with and Ipad / iphone with multichannel support and charges the device at the same time. And they got the EQ's in order this time. |
Diogo Dj Dragão 18.12.2012 |
Nem0nic, I agree --- but we are not talking about if I would use it 5 years from now.
The fact is that the iPad is now capable of being a perfectly acceptable DJing platform. There are currently apps out there now that can take advantage of professional hardware, and this situation is only going to improve. I believe DJs that worry about what someone else is using to play out (anywhere) are sheep, because seeing someone use something else somehow threatens them. These are the same people who will argue about what gaming platform is best. When you look at the history of dance culture, you see that every great new addition to the scene was brought about by people breaking the rules. Scratching, Beat Mixing, House, Reggae and Dub, Acid, Techno, Hip Hop... All of these and more are around now because someone said "fuck the rules". So if the OP wants to use an iPad to DJ with, why not try to help him instead of shooting him down? He might end up being the next GrandWizard Theodore or Juan Atkins. |
Geri Jarra 17.12.2012 | My buddy DJ's his house parties with an IDJ Pro and an iPad. He's pretty good, but even he says he would upgrade to a more professional setup before leaving the house. The IDJ pro is pretty cool, but unless you already have the ipad, and just want something to manipulate the Djay app better, I wouldn't recommend making it your actual setup. I just dont see the point, and the software is really lacking IMO compared to VDJ, TP2 SSL etc. Not to say you couldn't make it work, I just don't see the point and personally wouldn't trust the touch screen.. What happens when your fingers get sweaty and the iPad doesn't respond??? |
Julissa Serrone 18.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
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Lavona Pers 18.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
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Diogo Dj Dragão 17.12.2012 |
However, I would NEVER use it to play a club gig.
EVERY NEW DJ TECHNOLOGY started out this way. CD players and DVS were both regarded by "real DJs" as toys that weren't appropriate in clubs. Now they're commonplace. Technology doesn't have a reverse gear. It always moves forward. Tablet computing isn't going anywhere, so it's a natural progression to see it start appearing in clubs. Pioneer is already encouraging it with their Rekordbox software, and that's how it starts. The tablet starts to be the common way to organize and serve up music. From there it's a small step to using a tablet for everything else. When Final Scratch first came out, it didn't have any functionality that didn't exist on a turntable. It was simply a way to allow DJs to lighten their load. And the fact that DJs embraced it despite the major problems they sometimes had shows you that the DJ community embracing computers in the booth was about more than stability or utility. But before that happened, there needed to be a "killer app". What's great is that killer app doesn't need to be perfect before people will embrace it. It just needs to be able to meet the minimum use case in a way that somehow appeals to the user - like Final Scratch did. Once the use case is proven, developers will begin to improve the capabilities of the product. And so it goes until adoption reaches critical mass and explodes. After that, you're "old school". Then you're a dinosaur. |
Julissa Serrone 16.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by deevey
At home or for friends, yeah you can play on whatever you want. I will say I have both DJ Player and Djay on my iphone and believe they are both great apps that would be pretty neat to use on an iPad if I were playing for friends. However, I would NEVER use it to play a club gig. |
Irwin Ney 16.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
Also DJ Player is still free at app store. Limited discount: http://imect.com/djplayer/ https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dj-p...ign-mpt=uo%3D4 And it used to be US$ 49. Run for it! |
Lavona Pers 17.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by deevey
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Rolanda Clodfelder 16.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by Rastey
Of course mobile/party/home you can use whatever the hell you want. |
Lavona Pers 16.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by MYE
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Lavona Pers 16.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by deevey
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Lavona Pers 16.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by nem0nic
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Diogo Dj Dragão 16.12.2012 |
Also if you ever tell other djs that you use an iPad to dj on they will probably laugh at you and tell you to get some real gear
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Ratsey, there are actually several programs you can use with an iPad to have a totally portable setup. The 2 I recommend most highly are DJ Player and Djay. Both of these apps support external controllers, allow the use of multi-route audio, and have what we would consider "full" functionality. DJ Player - https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dj-p...339810085?mt=8 My favorite app for the iPad. It's capable of MIDI control, and allows for users to create their own MIDI mappings. It offers DVS functionality as of this last update. All in all, it's pretty complete. Djay - https://itunes.apple.com/app/djay/id...?mt=8%3Fuo%3D4 This program has great overall support from the controller community, and it even has products designed specifically for it - like the Numark iDJ Pro. It's not as flexible as DJ Player when it comes to MIDI mapping, and has no DVS functionality yet, but it's solid and very robust. Either of these programs can get you where it sounds like you want to be. |
Bunny Sockel 15.12.2012 | Also if you ever tell other djs that you use an iPad to dj on they will probably laugh at you and tell you to get some real gear . |
Rolanda Clodfelder 15.12.2012 | Seriously, if you are gonna do it at all get a proper controller or buy a laptop, The I-rig is already (IMHO) out of date, as IOS6 allows you to make proper use of multichannel sound cards, the range of controllers and software however that support this is as of right now limited. If you are intent on using an Ipad .. http://www.amazon.com/Numark-iDJ-PRO.../dp/B006Z9D9UI I would certainly not be buying an ipad exclusively for mixing on though TBH, plain stupidity (no offense) - mixing on an ipad without a controller feels like dog turd. I would have to question your reasoning "Why" ??? |
Lavona Pers 15.12.2012 |
I rekon this would be ok to use? |
Lavona Pers 15.12.2012 |
Originally Posted by smittten
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Lavona Pers 15.12.2012 | ok, thx.. shame that! |
Len Lukawski 15.12.2012 | Windows Surface Pro may well be an option, |
Jenna Skeem 15.12.2012 | Simple answer is no, You cannot run TSP2 on an ipad. |
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