Moved from controller to cdjs but need advise!
Moved from controller to cdjs but need advise! Posted on: 27.12.2013 by Wynell Muma So I've took the leap from djing on a controller with serato to cdjs, however I've got 1000s mk2 which don't have the usb function so I need to burn cdj. However I do like to know what bpms all my tunes are roughly so whats the best way of finding out the bpms of your tracks so I can make note? do programs like mixed in key do it? | |
| Shan Bauerly 16.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by pleb
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| Cori Ozanich 15.01.2014 | This thread is ridiculous now |
| Hellen Mindrup 15.01.2014 | I play out on 2000's regularly and never had an issue |
| Shan Bauerly 15.01.2014 | If you are playing on others' kit, the VERY 1st thing to do is check the firmware. Just keep the current or stable firmware on your USB and flash it yourself. I never experienced a single issue with mine, though. Not even once. |
| Nancey Inderlied 15.01.2014 | Considering it takes a few seconds to update the CDJs yourself, there's no reason why anyone really wouldn't. You're dealing with the 80/20 rule with a product launch, with no actual failure/issue statistics overall, and citing a handful of issues on a community
designed as a conduit for product raeg as a barometer for the players at large. Remember how many complaints and issues the 2000Mk1's had initially? A fair amount, but they got patched up relatively quickly, and the impotent rage tapered off as adoption rates ramped up. Now the people who don't remember the 2000's initial launch (and don't understand the concept of support empathy) are in full 80/20 raeg swing. It doesn't take more than a handful of like-minded people who need to have an issue with something to create a "trend" against that something, regardless of the actual context of the issues discussed, and regardless of the industry/manufacturer/product in question; it's just a basic consumer behavior concept. I remember a time when the 5 out of the top 25 posts on /r/gaming were about DOA PS4s, with about a thousand comments per post discussing how widespread the issue was among the "internet user who just experienced a hardware failure" demographic. Of course, Sony's records showed a verified failure rate of about 1.5%, but no time for sensibility, bring on the upvotes, consumer raeg, and discussion-motivated segments... |
| Vikki Falkenrath 15.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by makar1
http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...-10-15-seconds > BriChi having problems with his -flawless- Nexus (using the latest firmware) http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...ync-very-well- http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...opped-playing- http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...-Looping-Issue http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...s-let-me-down- http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...dd-2k-s-nexus- http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...-Last-2-Nights http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...-Nexus-glitch- http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...me-of-my-songs http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...bug-to-report- http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...SORTED-THE-BUG http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...er-apparently- http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...e-CDJ-2000-nxs http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...uch-stripe-bug http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...on-CDJ-2000NXS http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...re-update-1-10 http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...error-pro-link http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...ginning-of-cue http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...-CDJ-2000-nxs- http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...-just-freezing http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...-1-13-in-4beat http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...-ware-glitches http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...eezing-problem http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...ns-work-at-all http://community s.pioneerdj.com/entries/...cdj-2000-nexus ... it goes further, but I believe I made my point. There was a thread on this 2000MK1/NXS community that had a title saying something like "WE NEED SUPPORT FROM PIONEER NOW!" and instead of 3 or 4 likes, like a normal thread would have, it already had more than 35. Well, it desapeard. Hehe. Who knows what could have happened right? The new firmware may be less buggy (IMO still over-the-limit buggy) than the older ones, but believeing as a smart DJ would, I can easily imagine a situation where there would be random CDJ-2000Nexus in front of me in a club, whose firmware version would be completely unknown. Would you trust the CDJs' sync? |
| Shan Bauerly 14.01.2014 | My 3 Nexus' are flawless, 3 months on. Now my mixing, on the other hand... |
| Alphonso Deitchman 14.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Originally Posted by Daniboy
Originally Posted by Daniboy
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| Delena Katherman 14.01.2014 | makar1, you have the patience of a saint. |
| Vikki Falkenrath 14.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by makar1
If there was just one thread there saying a Nexus had a bug that would be acceptable, but, no joke, they are hundreds.
Originally Posted by makar1
You obviously didn't understood why I explained that experience I had. Pioneer was too afraid of the DJ Softwares that released the Nexus before they should. Now they are developing the gear at the same time they sell it as extremely reliable.
Originally Posted by makar1
I invite you to enter the Pioneer DJ Forum on a weekly basis to see with your eyes (and not BriChi's ones) what is happening with CDJ-2000Nexus's users from all over the world. The pair is costing 3,400 USD in USA. Double it and you have the price in my country. For this price it should be much less buggy than it is. |
| Alphonso Deitchman 14.01.2014 | The beat sync complaint is a very extreme use case (shortening loops to tiny fractions of a bar), so it's hardly significant. The scratch/backspin problem seems to be a hardware fault, so that's irrelevant. The "slipping" thread is likely someone using CDs and finding the BPMs aren't accurate. Again, not a bug or serious issue. Any personal experience you had in 2012 is not representative of the players as they have had several firmware updates since then - they were probably even on a beta version of software at the time. I doubt Iphone support is of much significance to the majority of users. Brichi seems to be one of the most knowledgeable users on that community and actually owns the gear in question, and seems to believe that the important Nexus bugs have been fixed. I'd tend to to believe his advice from 2 days ago over your anecdotal experience from 2 years ago. |
| Vikki Falkenrath 14.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by makar1
"BEAT SYNC , IS THIS A LONG WAY OFF BEING GOOD ENOUGH TO USE ?"; "Can't scratch/spin back on CDJ2000 Nexus"; "2 TB WD Passport USB 3.0 hard drive not working in either one of my 2000 NXS" and "CDJ 2000NXS Slipping" don't make me believe that many of the bugs have been fixed. I use the Pioneer DJ Forum just as much I use this one and I've been reading hundreds of complaints about the CDJ-2000Nexus. Also I had the oportunity to be one of the first djs to test the CDJ-2000Nexus in Latin America, on the S |
| Alphonso Deitchman 14.01.2014 | The 2000 Nexuses performed fine for a 6 hour gig we had recently, but Sync wasn't being used. It looks like many of the bugs have been fixed from a quick browse of the Pio DJ community . |
| Vikki Falkenrath 15.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
Just because something is ageing it doesn't mean it's automatically becoming useless. In 3-4 years CDs won't be gone from Brazil or Bristol. I invite you to come to Brazil to have fun on our clubs. We have a lot of options, like the best club in the world voted by the public. It is covered in trees and, at the same time, has one of the most advanced sound systems on earth. CDs work fine, have great audio quality and a lot of DJs are very confortable with them. I know this is a digital-dj-community , but you should understand that things are evolving a little bit slower than they seem to be. CDJ-2000Nexus is out and it is being pushed hard by pioneer to become the new club standard... truth is... it is buggy and sync simply doesn't work sometimes. Just because something is more "advanced" it doesn't mean its better and people are not forced to change technology if they do not find it necessary. The clubs change their setup to facilitate the life of dj, not the oposite. |
| Olin Easley 14.01.2014 | They're ageing. Thus, they aren't old tech yet. |
| Hipolito Scionti 13.01.2014 | Sorry but because Room 2s in Bristol and Brazil don't have latest CDJs that take rekordbox, that doesn't mean it isn't an ageing digital format. In 3-4 years, maybe less, CDs will be gone from clubs, room 2s included. |
| Vikki Falkenrath 05.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
CDs are definately not old tech yet. |
| Olin Easley 04.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
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| Hipolito Scionti 04.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
This is a public "community " for discussion, I was just giving my thoughts. IMO CDs are old tech when CDJs now take USB and have rekord box and or software with cue points and bpm etc taken care of if that's what you want (which OP does) OP was asking about a workflow and I thought it sounded like a problem that's been resolved by technology and just thought it odd that he had a controller and moved back. But everyone can do whatever they want that makes em happy. I'm pretty sure OP has the answers he was looking for now |
| Nancey Inderlied 04.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
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| Cherly Wormely 03.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
I suggest going the tedius route of placing them in traktor or the MixMeister BPM Analyzer. Also, people forget that there are so many different types of djs out there. ITS NOT ONLY DANCE DJ. Open format djs play hip hop, R&B, rock, Latin, Reggae, Dance, and Freestyle- dating back to 1970s. Many dance djs specialize to only 2 genres and don't even play songs older than 2 years. It is so hard as an open format dj to "know your records" if you have so much music dating back so long.... |
| Cherly Wormely 04.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
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| Vikki Falkenrath 02.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Originally Posted by MaxOne
This technique you call "a waste of time" is also called "categorising music". I invite you to re-read the posts #6, #8 and #10 to understand how DJs that play with CDs categorise their music.
Originally Posted by MaxOne
Some DJs can play flawlessly and with no tension on CDJs (the "old" way like you say) just like it was a software + controller setup. |
| Nancey Inderlied 31.12.2013 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
To OP, stick an SD card in the slot on the front of your deck, and put a CD in the deck. Let the BPM counter do it's thing, and let it finish drawing the waveform, then repeat this for all the tracks on a CD. Steadily do this with your CD library (it's meant to be done over time as you play the CDs), and when it's finished, duplicate the card with the few button presses that's on pg 21 of the manual. Congratz, the tempo, cue, and waveform data for your entire collection is stored on those two cards, and pull up automatically when you load them. Manual: http://pioneerdj.com/support/files/DRB1397B.pdf |
| Vikki Falkenrath 05.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by DISaS73R
CDs are definately not old tech yet. |
| Olin Easley 04.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
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| Hipolito Scionti 04.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
This is a public "community " for discussion, I was just giving my thoughts. IMO CDs are old tech when CDJs now take USB and have rekord box and or software with cue points and bpm etc taken care of if that's what you want (which OP does) OP was asking about a workflow and I thought it sounded like a problem that's been resolved by technology and just thought it odd that he had a controller and moved back. But everyone can do whatever they want that makes em happy. I'm pretty sure OP has the answers he was looking for now |
| Nancey Inderlied 04.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
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| Hipolito Scionti 04.01.2014 | Honestly I have no need to know (ie write down) the bpms of my tunes. This isn't me giving large, it's the truth. I used vinyl for 10-15 years. Tunes mixed together by ear and I would just know that certain records were either up or down tempo records cause I got to know my music. I can tell if a tune is roughly 120 bpm or 125bpm and if it's somewhere in between I can mix em by ear with each other. Songs within their genre tend to be similar bpm so beat matching ain't really a thing. Hip Hop was always varied but again practise mixes at home, listen carefully and you could work it out. This to me should be a standard Dj skill. Nowadays I play out using traktor and I leave sync on most of the time and just nudge the phase to my liking. I'm not gonna sell traktor and move backwards to some 2009 tech. Makes no sense to me is all... But if I did I would embrace the challenge that comes with the "old way" But as I say that's just where I was coming from and didn't mean to be unhelpful Safely |
| Rita Debar 03.01.2014 | Learn to beat match? |
| Vikki Falkenrath 03.01.2014 | It's beautiful to see the technology evolving and to be part of it. The ones who play with no software should be thankful for the ones who do, because this ones are making possible for the technology to evolve faster. Also, the ones who do play with softwares should be thankful for the ones who do not, because this ones created all the basis for the complex algorithms softwares use. |
| Cherly Wormely 03.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
I suggest going the tedius route of placing them in traktor or the MixMeister BPM Analyzer. Also, people forget that there are so many different types of djs out there. ITS NOT ONLY DANCE DJ. Open format djs play hip hop, R&B, rock, Latin, Reggae, Dance, and Freestyle- dating back to 1970s. Many dance djs specialize to only 2 genres and don't even play songs older than 2 years. It is so hard as an open format dj to "know your records" if you have so much music dating back so long.... |
| Hipolito Scionti 03.01.2014 | Next up... How to take all your CDs and get them turned into vinyl dubplates... then how to categorise them with coloured record labels to know their genre and bpm. Whatever man, obviously people have different work flows and that's cool if you want to know bpms on your Cds. Also people used to play their records with a keyboard next to them to work out key... but computer does that now. I was flippantly making the point that technology is moving in another direction, be it USB sticks and rekordbox or software Traktor / Serato etc. It just seems like if you want to retain stuff that rekordbox or software will do for you then maybe a more technologically forward believeing approach and set up is the answer. In fact you had it with a controller? That Armin Van Burin video is from 2009 btw... He defo doesn't take a CD wallet with him anymore. Anyway, I was being unhelpful for sure... Everyman do their ting a liccle way different. Hopefully you found you answers from the other man here. Peas |
| Cherly Wormely 04.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
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| Shan Bauerly 02.01.2014 | You can export a text file from MIK to Excel, or print straight from MIK. Perhaps print a couple, one sorted by key, one by BPM... pop them in a folder and away you go! Re: Organizing. Not exactly the romantic side of being a DJ, is it? My new years resolution entails [finally] settling on a system of tagging my tracks and 1.) Actually doing it for X minutes a day until its done and 2.) Doing it without fail for each new track. So far I've gotten through 500+... tedious but not exactly boring, so long as you like your music. The tagging can get as deep as you need and it is quite nice to have it properly sorted. I will say this, if there was ever incentive to back up your library... spending a zillion hours and brain cells cataloging does it for me. Re: You "beat match by ear" types. You crack me up. It's like the ol' "I don't play anything but Techs, you Stanton guys suck..." Good grief, it's not rocket surgery and it doesn't take much to learn, if you are putting in the effort. I believe it is a lot more gratifying and engaging to play manually, but that little (bpm) sync button is plenty bueno with 3-4 decks! FWIW, I believe we should have a no "sync speak" zone. Nothing good ever comes from it. Anyway, I say good on you for ditching the performance computer. Among other things, it means you have established your own personal standard. I did it, er... am doing it. Making eye contact with your guests on the dance floor is so much more effective than wave riding... rather amazing! |
| Vikki Falkenrath 02.01.2014 |
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
Originally Posted by MaxOne
This technique you call "a waste of time" is also called "categorising music". I invite you to re-read the posts #6, #8 and #10 to understand how DJs that play with CDs categorise their music.
Originally Posted by MaxOne
Some DJs can play flawlessly and with no tension on CDJs (the "old" way like you say) just like it was a software + controller setup. |
| Nancey Inderlied 31.12.2013 |
Originally Posted by MaxOne
To OP, stick an SD card in the slot on the front of your deck, and put a CD in the deck. Let the BPM counter do it's thing, and let it finish drawing the waveform, then repeat this for all the tracks on a CD. Steadily do this with your CD library (it's meant to be done over time as you play the CDs), and when it's finished, duplicate the card with the few button presses that's on pg 21 of the manual. Congratz, the tempo, cue, and waveform data for your entire collection is stored on those two cards, and pull up automatically when you load them. Manual: http://pioneerdj.com/support/files/DRB1397B.pdf |
| Hipolito Scionti 31.12.2013 |
Originally Posted by Daniboy
The only reason to go from a controller to CDJs with out software capabilities is to DJ the "old" way which is to learn your tracks and beat match by ear. Otherwise get yourself traktor scratch and use tc CDs |
| Wynell Muma 30.12.2013 | I believe I'm going to check out Mixed in Key anyway or I might just have to do the tedius of job of running them through a software like traktor |
| Wynell Muma 30.12.2013 | Haha Daninoy I found your replies very entertaining! And you are right, I want to know roughly what all my bpms are so Its easier for me to choose tracks when I'm mixing! I have a lot of tracks and some you can be unsure of. And I can beat match by ear, but I like being organised! |
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