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It's OFFICIAL ! Music is Run By Retards Now
Posted on: 17.02.2013 by Jerica Salava
Beatport #1 on the TECH HOUSE chart this week: http://www.beatport.com/track/imprin...al-mix/4056922

Beatport #2 on the TECH HOUSE chart this week: http://www.beatport.com/track/still-...ub-mix/4111881

CAN WE STOP THIS F$%KING INSANITY !!!!

These two tracks CANNOT both be tech house !

WTF?

We are becoming a bunch of retards.

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Ara Tima
20.02.2013
Originally Posted by oliosky
To clarify, neither Satoshi Tomiie or Steve Lawler are actually dead. Satoshi is currently touring central america and Steve Lawler is playing in Tel Aviv on Friday. Just sayin...
I don't believe anyone was saying that, more an expression of speech.

I live in Melbourne, we still have a bit of a real prog scene...
Ara Tima
20.02.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
I hate on a cellular level that Nicky Romero is classed as progressive house. Satoshi Tomiie and Steve lawler would be turning in their graves!!

^ This +2
Jerica Salava
20.02.2013
Originally Posted by B Linus
I had no idea!

... man, this sucks!
Yeah man. Just switched to iTunes and my skills are through the roof now.
Jerica Salava
20.02.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
As far as I'm concerned, there's only two genres anyway:

1. Ibiza Trance
2. Utter wank

Unfortunately, nobody's made any of the former for about 6 years now The closest would probably be Avicii and Otto Knows, but that's all about -10% of the correct BPM
I'm more into the Funky Utter Wank

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Jerica Salava
20.02.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
I hate on a cellular level that Nicky Romero is classed as progressive house. Satoshi Tomiie and Steve lawler would be turning in their graves!!
^ this +1
Berta Baie
19.02.2013		The Nicky Romero track is clearly progressive house, the Tube and Berger track is pretty much deep house imo. That being said there is a spectrum to these things where the ends of one genre overlaps with the next.

For example, to take a few genres from darkest to more melodic and synth driven we have:

tech house<---->progressive house<---->trance

You can have techy-progressive house on one end of the spectrum and more trancy-progressive house on the other. Neither style really fully qualifies making the jump from one genre to the next so you simply have to pick one and go with it. I have no problem with that. If i like the track i'll simply change the genre myself when i buy it. Toolroom is actually a good example of this because they put out lots of prog house that really sits on that boarder between tech house and prog house. However neither of those tracks, including the Toolroom one, are tech house in any way really.

To be honest this is exactly why i liked the old Beatport sorting system better when it was done by release instead of strictly by genre. If an album had more than one genre on it, you saw all the tracks regardless of which genre you originally had searched for. You could really see the overlap that way because albums are usually released with songs that have a similar "feel" to them. I remember constantly browsing albums with tech house and techno on the same release, or tech house and progressive on the same release. It made it 10x's easier to find tracks i liked instead of having to dig through each genre individually.

Originally Posted by joesdomingo
if you use beatport, you are NOT a dj, go find music like a real man.
oh and obvious troll is obvious
Darren Teboe
19.02.2013
Originally Posted by keithace
So how do you search for music? Click on a genre and starting digging? Good luck with that...
It's been working for me for over 15 years in record stores and online retailers with the exception of beatport, so I thank you for the luck, but don't really need it.
Evelia Mcgaffin
20.02.2013
Originally Posted by joesdomingo
if you use beatport, you are NOT a dj, go find music like a real man.
I had no idea!

... man, this sucks!
Kristofer Krauel
20.02.2013		Semantics!
Johnetta Olewine
20.02.2013		I get that is a figure of speech. But in this case its an idiom that is being used incorrectly if the person being referred to isn't actually dead.
Ara Tima
20.02.2013
Originally Posted by oliosky
To clarify, neither Satoshi Tomiie or Steve Lawler are actually dead. Satoshi is currently touring central america and Steve Lawler is playing in Tel Aviv on Friday. Just sayin...
I don't believe anyone was saying that, more an expression of speech.

I live in Melbourne, we still have a bit of a real prog scene...
Johnetta Olewine
20.02.2013		To clarify, neither Satoshi Tomiie or Steve Lawler are actually dead. Satoshi is currently touring central america and Steve Lawler is playing in Tel Aviv on Friday. Just sayin...
Ara Tima
20.02.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
I hate on a cellular level that Nicky Romero is classed as progressive house. Satoshi Tomiie and Steve lawler would be turning in their graves!!

^ This +2
Mariko Oppenhuizen
20.02.2013		<Sarcasm>I hate anyone who is more successful than me! Everything they do is crap and everything 10 years or older is 100 times better then things are now. </Sarcasm>

Look anyone on this site would love and be happy to have a track in the top 10/100 on beatport. It’s like being in the billboard top 100.

The top 10/100 is what's popular. What the crowd wants to hear when they go out to the club. Granted, you don't want every dj in the club to play the same songs. So what do you do? listen to the top 10 songs and then dig to find stuff that sound similar but is no ware near as popular, but still has the same sound/vibe/energy.

Good for you that you play weird/obscure/eclectic/ 20year old tracks, and that's all you play. Don't hate on the dude that plays a more popular style tune, he is the one packing the room so he is going to get booked.

Now I’m not saying you shouldn't play all that other stuff too, but don't do it to a point you're not getting gigs. Work it into the set. people just might go crazy for that house cat tune from the 90s when it drops in the middle of your more update set, but only because it was an one off tune that isn't plaid as much, not because it's a whole set of old school music, Unless that's what the party calls for.
Jerica Salava
20.02.2013
Originally Posted by B Linus
I had no idea!

... man, this sucks!
Yeah man. Just switched to iTunes and my skills are through the roof now.
Jerica Salava
20.02.2013
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
As far as I'm concerned, there's only two genres anyway:

1. Ibiza Trance
2. Utter wank

Unfortunately, nobody's made any of the former for about 6 years now The closest would probably be Avicii and Otto Knows, but that's all about -10% of the correct BPM
I'm more into the Funky Utter Wank

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Doreen Schurle
21.02.2013		As far as I'm concerned, there's only two genres anyway:

1. Ibiza Trance
2. Utter wank

Unfortunately, nobody's made any of the former for about 6 years now The closest would probably be Avicii and Otto Knows, but that's all about -10% of the correct BPM
Jerica Salava
20.02.2013
Originally Posted by kooper1980
I hate on a cellular level that Nicky Romero is classed as progressive house. Satoshi Tomiie and Steve lawler would be turning in their graves!!
^ this +1
Nedra Fresneda
20.02.2013		^this
Kristofer Krauel
20.02.2013		I hate on a cellular level that Nicky Romero is classed as progressive house. Satoshi Tomiie and Steve lawler would be turning in their graves!!
Berta Baie
19.02.2013		The Nicky Romero track is clearly progressive house, the Tube and Berger track is pretty much deep house imo. That being said there is a spectrum to these things where the ends of one genre overlaps with the next.

For example, to take a few genres from darkest to more melodic and synth driven we have:

tech house<---->progressive house<---->trance

You can have techy-progressive house on one end of the spectrum and more trancy-progressive house on the other. Neither style really fully qualifies making the jump from one genre to the next so you simply have to pick one and go with it. I have no problem with that. If i like the track i'll simply change the genre myself when i buy it. Toolroom is actually a good example of this because they put out lots of prog house that really sits on that boarder between tech house and prog house. However neither of those tracks, including the Toolroom one, are tech house in any way really.

To be honest this is exactly why i liked the old Beatport sorting system better when it was done by release instead of strictly by genre. If an album had more than one genre on it, you saw all the tracks regardless of which genre you originally had searched for. You could really see the overlap that way because albums are usually released with songs that have a similar "feel" to them. I remember constantly browsing albums with tech house and techno on the same release, or tech house and progressive on the same release. It made it 10x's easier to find tracks i liked instead of having to dig through each genre individually.

Originally Posted by joesdomingo
if you use beatport, you are NOT a dj, go find music like a real man.
oh and obvious troll is obvious
Darren Teboe
19.02.2013
Originally Posted by keithace
So how do you search for music? Click on a genre and starting digging? Good luck with that...
It's been working for me for over 15 years in record stores and online retailers with the exception of beatport, so I thank you for the luck, but don't really need it.
Evelia Mcgaffin
20.02.2013
Originally Posted by joesdomingo
if you use beatport, you are NOT a dj, go find music like a real man.
I had no idea!

... man, this sucks!
Lillia Datson
19.02.2013
Originally Posted by MYE
Ok djgoodsex ok.... I know lots of professional djs that buy their music off beatport are they real djs. Also why does it matter where a dj buys his/her music from sure beatport may suck at what they classify as genres and they have the most cheesy top 100 out there but if you dig deep it really is one of the best online music stores.

C'mon man. It makes a world of difference if you buy exactly the same track you want from somewhere other than Beatport.
Bunny Sockel
19.02.2013
Originally Posted by joesdomingo
if you use beatport, you are NOT a dj, go find music like a real man.
Ok djgoodsex ok.... I know lots of professional djs that buy their music off beatport are they real djs. Also why does it matter where a dj buys his/her music from sure beatport may suck at what they classify as genres and they have the most cheesy top 100 out there but if you dig deep it really is one of the best online music stores.
Xiomara Woolworth
19.02.2013		if you use beatport, you are NOT a dj, go find music like a real man.
Lashawn Maycock
19.02.2013
Originally Posted by keithace
So how do you search for music? Click on a genre and starting digging? Good luck with that...
Definitely not with Beatport, I agree

Traxsource, it's a yes from me - start with Soulful House, then move to Deep House, followed by House, Jackin House and Nu-Disco Genres - and look via new releases/upfront promos - jobs a good 'un, I've then probably covered a large proportion of all the new music that would be of interest to me. They also don't seem to be so overt with their promotion of labels/producers as Beatport tend to (IMHO of course ).

And with other genres of music I play (Future Jungle/Breaks) I use Ravedownload and trackitdown and I'm fortunate to be sent quite a few promos too.
Efrain Scharr
18.02.2013
Originally Posted by sobi
From what I've heard from a few people who run labels and release music, people submitting music to Beatport don't have control over what and/or how their music is classified as far as genre labeling.
That's not true. I own 2 labels, and I pick the genre.
Margie Pavell
18.02.2013
Originally Posted by sobi
I do, as I don't want to aimlessly search through a ton of genres I have no interest in. I'd rather be able to narrow it down in one, and have the ones inside of it be correct.
So how do you search for music? Click on a genre and starting digging? Good luck with that...
Darren Teboe
18.02.2013
Originally Posted by keithace
Who really cares what it's labeled?
I do, as I don't want to aimlessly search through a ton of genres I have no interest in. I'd rather be able to narrow it down in one, and have the ones inside of it be correct.

Originally Posted by loverocket
Sadly , I believe I found the answer.

Let's say you are a Trance producer, but Trance is "not in style" these days.

You finish a Trance track and you label it as Progressive House because all the kids will jump to that genre filter.

Beatport doesn't give a rats ass. "Hey. You are the guy who made the track. You say it's Progressive House, fine with me. I make the 40% either way."

So know that everybody's a DJ, the knuckleheads go searching through the Progressive House charts and BAM! "This track is cool."

Next Saturday they are dropping a Trance track in the Progressive House set at the frat house blowout.

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From what I've heard from a few people who run labels and release music, people submitting music to Beatport don't have control over what and/or how their music is classified as far as genre labeling.
Efrain Scharr
18.02.2013		both tracks equally suck.
Lulu Dykhuizen
19.02.2013		I don't know why the Beatport genre system is just now getting such a bad rap. It's beenbad for awhile. I mean, moombahton is labeled as electro house in the genre tag system. It doesn't help that within the electronic music sphere, new genres are being born as fast as producers can make music. Genre tagging on Beatport should be the least of anyone's concerns. Digging for old and new tracks to fill the dance floor is what that site should be getting traffic for.
Lashawn Maycock
18.02.2013
Originally Posted by B Linus
The one thing that gets me is the classification of 'House'. Typically, a clubbier, more energetic feel is given this label (ie. funky/jackin' house) but not all of the time. Since this is the genre I typically play, I find it extremely difficult to find what's hot on BP for this sound, so I just stick to Stompy and Traxsource since they've actually got 'Jackin House' and 'Funky' classifications, which gives me pretty much exactly the sound I'm looking for, unlike BP's 'House' which could mean goddamn anything...
I agree, when it comes to 'House' and all its various subgenres, it's difficult to look beyond Traxsource - they're spot on pretty much all the time I find. As a mainly Soulful/Deep House DJ, it's the place to go to first.
Nedra Fresneda
18.02.2013
Originally Posted by loverocket
That's the point. Anyone who digs Track 1 will not dig Track 2. They are like polar opposites. How can that be the same genre???

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Yeah they are abusing the term a bit. #2 is bigroom hands in the air house house while #1 has a much more chilly atmosphere, not necessarily underground, more like a sunset party or something along those lines.

This isn't anything new either. Tech House has always had it's fair amount of pure house tracks listed in it.

PS: Tube & Berger FTW!
Evelia Mcgaffin
18.02.2013		The one thing that gets me is the classification of 'House'. Typically, a clubbier, more energetic feel is given this label (ie. funky/jackin' house) but not all of the time. Since this is the genre I typically play, I find it extremely difficult to find what's hot on BP for this sound, so I just stick to Stompy and Traxsource since they've actually got 'Jackin House' and 'Funky' classifications, which gives me pretty much exactly the sound I'm looking for, unlike BP's 'House' which could mean goddamn anything...
Jerica Salava
18.02.2013
Originally Posted by Lineypirate
Genre differences aside, is track No. 1 actually Tech House? Because if it is, I really like it, and may have to explore this further!

(It's not that I'm an idiot, but I normally mix D'n'B and Garage!).
That's the point. Anyone who digs Track 1 will not dig Track 2. They are like polar opposites. How can that be the same genre???

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Nedra Fresneda
18.02.2013		Still more accurate than the Progressive House charts.
Nga Mcquarter
18.02.2013		I know the genres in beatport are horrible and stupid, but Still The Same Man is mainstream tech house, not electro!
Lora Vandewark
18.02.2013		Genre differences aside, is track No. 1 actually Tech House? Because if it is, I really like it, and may have to explore this further!

(It's not that I'm an idiot, but I normally mix D'n'B and Garage!).
Teresia Janusch
18.02.2013
Originally Posted by shr3dder
I gave up on beatport genres a long time ago...
same here, but now it takes fucking ages to find stuff i like because its not where you'd expect it to be

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