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Midi mixer. Monitor plug?
Posted on: 05.05.2010 by Lillia Doc
Hey,

So I've been looking around for abit now and I haven't been able to find a decently priced mixer with midi capabilities.

The reason I'm asking is because for my new (small gig) rig, I would like to use 2 Xone:1D as decks. But I need a mixer aswell since I wouldn't be able to monitor my mixing with just the 2 1Ds.

Or would buying 1 1D and 1 2D solve my problem?

Any ideas? Or is there another route I can go.

Thanks guys.

Jonathan.
Lillia Doc
10.05.2010
Originally Posted by Jack Creamation
thats alot of midi... the ddm is a digital mixer meaning you can connect it to your mac via usb, then connect the ddm to am amp/receiver and your set, making the audio 2 redundant. everthing on the ddm is midi assignable meaning your can remap everything to do anything your software is able to do. it also has it's own effects onboard, so you wouldn't even have to use your softwares effects if you didnt want to...

why is it you want the 1d's? are you looking to do 4 deck or 2 deck mixing? are you just starting out now or do you have experience in djing (if just starting, start with 2 decks build your style then buy more gear)? Dont let the gear aspect consume you, other wise you will never get any mixing done (been down that path...) do you want to mix within the software or send the decks out to an external mixer for EQing and crossfader use (if you even need a crossfader)? do you want jog wheels or are you going to prep your tracks and use sync so you can focus on other things like cue point juggling, looping and effects combinations? will you be globe trotting with your gear anytime soon (if not size is really not an issue it's nothing to through a bunch of bulky gear in the trunk to head over to the local pub or buddies house in the next town, given not ideal but totally do able)?

I am not trying to discourage you in the slightest, just save you time and money.
Hi, thanks for the good reply! The DDM has midi in/out plugs, but doesn't have a soundcard - thats why I need the audio 2 DJ. I could have bought a audio 8 DJ but i'm saving money if I get a midi to usb converter.

My plan with this setup is to start out with 2 decks mostly, even though I sometimes do live 'touch ups' of songs without a good dance beat, using 4 decks. I would like to have the 1Ds to control the synching of the two songs. the Synch button in traktor is nice to have, but it does not improve your skills by any means.

I'm wondering if I should just buy 1 1D. But the problem is that it only has one midi layer/channel, probably not the correct term but I wouldn't be able to have different scenes of midimapping. Would it be doable to map it with a button to shift the controls of deck A to deck B ? like cue points, start, stop and so on.

alternatively, do you recommend anything else that would serve good beside the DDM4000?
Random X
09.05.2010
Originally Posted by charo
..and a usb to midi converter is needed if you want to use the midi on the ddm.
Or you'd need a MIDI controller that connects through USB and has MIDI out/through connections.
Andy Cavelli
08.05.2010
Originally Posted by charo
this is incorrect. the ddm is a mixer with midi capabilities, there is no soundcard in it, and there is no usb plug. it has midi in/out jacks, and a usb to midi converter is needed if you want to use the midi on the ddm.

you still need a soundcard with the ddm.

to say the ddm mixer is a digital mixer is correct, but in the sense the components use digital circuitry to mix the audio being pumped into it...this is something separate from its midi function.
Nice catch charo! thanks. I was misinformed...

juan garcia
08.05.2010
Originally Posted by Jack Creamation
thats alot of midi... the ddm is a digital mixer meaning you can connect it to your mac via usb, then connect the ddm to am amp/receiver and your set, making the audio 2 redundant

this is incorrect. the ddm is a mixer with midi capabilities, there is no soundcard in it, and there is no usb plug. it has midi in/out jacks, and a usb to midi converter is needed if you want to use the midi on the ddm.

you still need a soundcard with the ddm.

to say the ddm mixer is a digital mixer is correct, but in the sense the components use digital circuitry to mix the audio being pumped into it...this is something separate from its midi function.
Lillia Doc
06.05.2010
Originally Posted by sj03w4t
I don't believe it's plug and play, but installation should be very straightforward. Details of the A2DJ can be found HERE.
Please note that the A2DJ is NOT a midi controller and CANNOT be used to control the internal mixer.. (just to be certain that it is clear to you ) It's only an audio device with two seperate stereo outputs..
Yes I know

I might try to find a small midicontroller to solve my crossfader issue, as I don't need the extra stuff on 2D.

Thanks for your help dude!
Lillia Doc
06.05.2010
Originally Posted by sj03w4t
Neurotique refers to internal mixing, which basically means using a midi controller to control the 'mixer' section of Traktor, instead of using the 'traditional' external mixer.
The Audio2 just plugs into the pc by usb, and has one output for your headphones, and one master output to plug into an amplifier.
Ahh right. Thankyou.

Does the Audio2 do this plug and play or do I need to set something up in Traktor?
Lillia Doc
05.05.2010		Hey,

So I've been looking around for abit now and I haven't been able to find a decently priced mixer with midi capabilities.

The reason I'm asking is because for my new (small gig) rig, I would like to use 2 Xone:1D as decks. But I need a mixer aswell since I wouldn't be able to monitor my mixing with just the 2 1Ds.

Or would buying 1 1D and 1 2D solve my problem?

Any ideas? Or is there another route I can go.

Thanks guys.

Jonathan.
Preston Wootton
11.05.2010		I currently use two akai lpd8's for the deck controls and a korg nano kontrol for my mixer works great for a mouse, and key board free application. I would send tsi file for the mapping if you are interested. 4 deck control and 4 bank effects and 4 deck hot cues all for under $150.00 can't go wrong with this setup. also need sound card like audio 2,either way still under $250.00.
Lillia Doc
10.05.2010
Originally Posted by Jack Creamation
thats alot of midi... the ddm is a digital mixer meaning you can connect it to your mac via usb, then connect the ddm to am amp/receiver and your set, making the audio 2 redundant. everthing on the ddm is midi assignable meaning your can remap everything to do anything your software is able to do. it also has it's own effects onboard, so you wouldn't even have to use your softwares effects if you didnt want to...

why is it you want the 1d's? are you looking to do 4 deck or 2 deck mixing? are you just starting out now or do you have experience in djing (if just starting, start with 2 decks build your style then buy more gear)? Dont let the gear aspect consume you, other wise you will never get any mixing done (been down that path...) do you want to mix within the software or send the decks out to an external mixer for EQing and crossfader use (if you even need a crossfader)? do you want jog wheels or are you going to prep your tracks and use sync so you can focus on other things like cue point juggling, looping and effects combinations? will you be globe trotting with your gear anytime soon (if not size is really not an issue it's nothing to through a bunch of bulky gear in the trunk to head over to the local pub or buddies house in the next town, given not ideal but totally do able)?

I am not trying to discourage you in the slightest, just save you time and money.
Hi, thanks for the good reply! The DDM has midi in/out plugs, but doesn't have a soundcard - thats why I need the audio 2 DJ. I could have bought a audio 8 DJ but i'm saving money if I get a midi to usb converter.

My plan with this setup is to start out with 2 decks mostly, even though I sometimes do live 'touch ups' of songs without a good dance beat, using 4 decks. I would like to have the 1Ds to control the synching of the two songs. the Synch button in traktor is nice to have, but it does not improve your skills by any means.

I'm wondering if I should just buy 1 1D. But the problem is that it only has one midi layer/channel, probably not the correct term but I wouldn't be able to have different scenes of midimapping. Would it be doable to map it with a button to shift the controls of deck A to deck B ? like cue points, start, stop and so on.

alternatively, do you recommend anything else that would serve good beside the DDM4000?
Random X
09.05.2010
Originally Posted by charo
..and a usb to midi converter is needed if you want to use the midi on the ddm.
Or you'd need a MIDI controller that connects through USB and has MIDI out/through connections.
Andy Cavelli
08.05.2010
Originally Posted by charo
this is incorrect. the ddm is a mixer with midi capabilities, there is no soundcard in it, and there is no usb plug. it has midi in/out jacks, and a usb to midi converter is needed if you want to use the midi on the ddm.

you still need a soundcard with the ddm.

to say the ddm mixer is a digital mixer is correct, but in the sense the components use digital circuitry to mix the audio being pumped into it...this is something separate from its midi function.
Nice catch charo! thanks. I was misinformed...

juan garcia
08.05.2010
Originally Posted by Jack Creamation
thats alot of midi... the ddm is a digital mixer meaning you can connect it to your mac via usb, then connect the ddm to am amp/receiver and your set, making the audio 2 redundant

this is incorrect. the ddm is a mixer with midi capabilities, there is no soundcard in it, and there is no usb plug. it has midi in/out jacks, and a usb to midi converter is needed if you want to use the midi on the ddm.

you still need a soundcard with the ddm.

to say the ddm mixer is a digital mixer is correct, but in the sense the components use digital circuitry to mix the audio being pumped into it...this is something separate from its midi function.
Andy Cavelli
08.05.2010		thats alot of midi... the ddm is a digital mixer meaning you can connect it to your mac via usb, then connect the ddm to am amp/receiver and your set, making the audio 2 redundant. everthing on the ddm is midi assignable meaning your can remap everything to do anything your software is able to do. it also has it's own effects onboard, so you wouldn't even have to use your softwares effects if you didnt want to...

why is it you want the 1d's? are you looking to do 4 deck or 2 deck mixing? are you just starting out now or do you have experience in djing (if just starting, start with 2 decks build your style then buy more gear)? Dont let the gear aspect consume you, other wise you will never get any mixing done (been down that path...) do you want to mix within the software or send the decks out to an external mixer for EQing and crossfader use (if you even need a crossfader)? do you want jog wheels or are you going to prep your tracks and use sync so you can focus on other things like cue point juggling, looping and effects combinations? will you be globe trotting with your gear anytime soon (if not size is really not an issue it's nothing to through a bunch of bulky gear in the trunk to head over to the local pub or buddies house in the next town, given not ideal but totally do able)?

I am not trying to discourage you in the slightest, just save you time and money.
Lillia Doc
08.05.2010		I believe I found my setup, it is a bit (a lot) bigger than I originally planned for.

1 x DDM4000 Digital 4 channel DJ Mixer
2 x Xone:1D Digital Decks.
1 x Audio 2 DJ
1 x Macbook

How does this sound? This really sucks as I am starting to get second thoughts about the Xones.

what do you believe?
Lillia Doc
06.05.2010
Originally Posted by sj03w4t
I don't believe it's plug and play, but installation should be very straightforward. Details of the A2DJ can be found HERE.
Please note that the A2DJ is NOT a midi controller and CANNOT be used to control the internal mixer.. (just to be certain that it is clear to you ) It's only an audio device with two seperate stereo outputs..
Yes I know

I might try to find a small midicontroller to solve my crossfader issue, as I don't need the extra stuff on 2D.

Thanks for your help dude!
Jayne Yellowhair
06.05.2010		I don't believe it's plug and play, but installation should be very straightforward. Details of the A2DJ can be found HERE.
Please note that the A2DJ is NOT a midi controller and CANNOT be used to control the internal mixer.. (just to be certain that it is clear to you ) It's only an audio device with two seperate stereo outputs..

edit: oh and yeah, if you buy before june 30th you get Traktor Duo for free (if you don't own traktor yet)
Lillia Doc
06.05.2010
Originally Posted by sj03w4t
Neurotique refers to internal mixing, which basically means using a midi controller to control the 'mixer' section of Traktor, instead of using the 'traditional' external mixer.
The Audio2 just plugs into the pc by usb, and has one output for your headphones, and one master output to plug into an amplifier.
Ahh right. Thankyou.

Does the Audio2 do this plug and play or do I need to set something up in Traktor?
Jayne Yellowhair
06.05.2010		Neurotique refers to internal mixing, which basically means using a midi controller to control the 'mixer' section of Traktor, instead of using the 'traditional' external mixer.
The Audio2 just plugs into the pc by usb, and has one output for your headphones, and one master output to plug into an amplifier.
Lillia Doc
06.05.2010		How would I set up the audio2?
Daniell Ramji
05.05.2010		An NI Audio2 would let you monitor your mix, as well as having a great sound card to output for your masters.

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