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rane68/serato 4 deck set up
Posted on: 10.01.2011 by Waltraud Hulett
hey hey
so i've been pondering a few set up options, i have a tech 12, which i love and is really the only thing i like using for a controll surface,( had two had to pawn one fml )fucking heavy and somewhat useless to me now a days.
so i have the reane 68, it barely gets used, i want to run four decks external.
but keep the table the main controll surface, to the right of my mixer.
what i'd like to do is either have some switching unit, to swtich through the channels to use the deck as a controll surface without clicking around in serato, and fiddling with the inputs on the mixer.
i have an apc but it's huge and i dont like using it with serato much,
what i'd like to ideally do is have the deck to the right, and maybe three smaller jog wheels to the left, a few buttons and knobs i can assign.
i've been believeing of how to build thins or what i can use to make this work,
or even just a switch to switch through to make the tech assignable to whatever input without switching everything else around.

any suggestions ? something cheap i can tear appart ?

and i've never been big on djing, mixing etc. i prefer to more or less slice chop remix as i go, not that i have any problems with mixing track to track, i just have a terrible case of add, and stimulants dont help that much,
i've been occasionally using a couple versions of a track with different cue points set, i suppose the sampler bit is an option as well, ideally a couple dozen cue points would be ideal ( including buttons.. two midi fighters, or a half height double width midi fighter, ) lol

so discuss
Waltraud Hulett
27.01.2011
Originally Posted by DjWindzOne
Hmm. . .I believe I understand where yer going with it. . .but, as was mentioned, SSL is based more towards the TT and CDJ's. Not much flexability with jogs working, even with the line code added in SSL for the jogs.

]

This is a tough one cuz I've thought about doing (almost) exactly what yer doing, but keeping both TT's and 2 smaller controllers with a buddy's Rane68. . but with Serato's announcement for SL-4, it made more sense, and that idea for 4 decks (2 TT's and 2 controllers) more viable. but with midi mapping 1-to-1 for SSL, and not a lot of modifiers (except for chaining FX), that be a LOT of mapping and issues with compatibility, as well as powering and latency with that many things connected on yer laptop.

I dunno, but it's worth a shot. . .
i've considered the dennon with the motorized larger platter, but it's about the only cdj i've really considered, cost is absurd to me at this point too as i really dont have too much need for it,
i'm getting my other tech out again, but now i need new cartridges as mine have been damaged in two moves, ( magazines got thrown on top of one when i was out of town , ) i believe i have one good cartridge,
if i could get a cdj for dirt cheap i'd consider using it, but i reall dont get using cdj's as controll surfaces 9 vs a midi controller ) as it's not really there, you don't really have tactile feedback,

the size and weight of my tech's is the restrictive bit for me, and i'll probably move more towards using ableton with my own material as time goes on , but i still love the ones and two's ,

thanks for the input ,

i'll keep updating this as time goes on, i'll be setting up my apc for secondary deck and sampler duties, but it's obv not what i'd prefer, blaah
Julissa Serrone
16.01.2011
Originally Posted by BigC
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe under the basis of SSL, you won't be implement any sort of "jog wheel" into a setup with it. That's why Serato has ITCH. SSL is just for CDJ's and TT's.

I mean, it's a neat idea, don't get me wrong, but I don't see it being compliant with how SSL works on a fundamental level.
Well.....i've always thought this too, but someone mapped/hacked the Denon MC-6000 to work with Serato. There's a vid on youtube of it. I'm at work and it's blocked. It's posted on the main DJ community of Serato.

To answer the OP's question. Your gonna have a difficult time finding a quality jog wheel that's not attached to a premium controller. The only single ones that I know of are the EKS ones.
Waltraud Hulett
16.01.2011
Originally Posted by JesC
moved over to general discussion
and i considered putting this in general first, but as i'm planning on fabricating a three deck midi controller to compliment my tech as a main controller i figured it should go, in mod / controller / etc...

..............

mhm
Waltraud Hulett
16.01.2011
Originally Posted by DJ Asand
lol what are u even asking?

if u can set up a modifier to switch the deck focus of serato so one Tech can control any of the 4 decks at a time? sure that can be done, i believe lol

as for the jogwheel controller things, jst look at wht other ppl have built and go from there.
what do you mean what am i asking ?

did you even read my post ?

obv theres plenty of midi controllers, usually duo's left right a b etc,
are there any cheap singular midi controllers,
i see theres a few new "beginner" set ups,
i'd like to find a jog wheel that has some resistance, and doesnt spin freely ,
cross fader doesnt matter as i'll be pulling it appart,

and i was asking if there was a better solution to what i've come up with so far,
if maybe i was overbelieveing things,

somthing along the lines of a midi fighter with a few jog wheels ( for form function and aesthetics ) would be nice,

i've thought about picking up a used midi controller and pulling it appart, but i'd still need another possibly to make three tables what to do with the third ?

and i'm assuming theres not much i can do about getting more cue points other then running multiple versions of the same song, as no one has responded with anything usefull,

quite along the lines of try google/ebay/your mom

but thanks,
Waltraud Hulett
10.01.2011		hey hey
so i've been pondering a few set up options, i have a tech 12, which i love and is really the only thing i like using for a controll surface,( had two had to pawn one fml )fucking heavy and somewhat useless to me now a days.
so i have the reane 68, it barely gets used, i want to run four decks external.
but keep the table the main controll surface, to the right of my mixer.
what i'd like to do is either have some switching unit, to swtich through the channels to use the deck as a controll surface without clicking around in serato, and fiddling with the inputs on the mixer.
i have an apc but it's huge and i dont like using it with serato much,
what i'd like to ideally do is have the deck to the right, and maybe three smaller jog wheels to the left, a few buttons and knobs i can assign.
i've been believeing of how to build thins or what i can use to make this work,
or even just a switch to switch through to make the tech assignable to whatever input without switching everything else around.

any suggestions ? something cheap i can tear appart ?

and i've never been big on djing, mixing etc. i prefer to more or less slice chop remix as i go, not that i have any problems with mixing track to track, i just have a terrible case of add, and stimulants dont help that much,
i've been occasionally using a couple versions of a track with different cue points set, i suppose the sampler bit is an option as well, ideally a couple dozen cue points would be ideal ( including buttons.. two midi fighters, or a half height double width midi fighter, ) lol

so discuss
Sharri Kenimer
08.11.2011		If you're considering the midi xml hack, controllers will only work for deck 1 & 2. You will need timecode for decks 3 & 4.

I'm a Sixty Eight owner myself, and a little tip is to use rca splitters from your turntables, that way you can use the same control signal for more than one channel, just remember to switch the other channel to internal first....

More info on the xml hack over at the serato community :
http://serato.com/community /discussion/334327#new
Waltraud Hulett
27.01.2011
Originally Posted by DjWindzOne
Hmm. . .I believe I understand where yer going with it. . .but, as was mentioned, SSL is based more towards the TT and CDJ's. Not much flexability with jogs working, even with the line code added in SSL for the jogs.

]

This is a tough one cuz I've thought about doing (almost) exactly what yer doing, but keeping both TT's and 2 smaller controllers with a buddy's Rane68. . but with Serato's announcement for SL-4, it made more sense, and that idea for 4 decks (2 TT's and 2 controllers) more viable. but with midi mapping 1-to-1 for SSL, and not a lot of modifiers (except for chaining FX), that be a LOT of mapping and issues with compatibility, as well as powering and latency with that many things connected on yer laptop.

I dunno, but it's worth a shot. . .
i've considered the dennon with the motorized larger platter, but it's about the only cdj i've really considered, cost is absurd to me at this point too as i really dont have too much need for it,
i'm getting my other tech out again, but now i need new cartridges as mine have been damaged in two moves, ( magazines got thrown on top of one when i was out of town , ) i believe i have one good cartridge,
if i could get a cdj for dirt cheap i'd consider using it, but i reall dont get using cdj's as controll surfaces 9 vs a midi controller ) as it's not really there, you don't really have tactile feedback,

the size and weight of my tech's is the restrictive bit for me, and i'll probably move more towards using ableton with my own material as time goes on , but i still love the ones and two's ,

thanks for the input ,

i'll keep updating this as time goes on, i'll be setting up my apc for secondary deck and sampler duties, but it's obv not what i'd prefer, blaah
Vernie Beharry
25.01.2011		Hmm. . .I believe I understand where yer going with it. . .but, as was mentioned, SSL is based more towards the TT and CDJ's. Not much flexability with jogs working, even with the line code added in SSL for the jogs.


If money is not an issue, I'd recommend Denon media players/controllers. With the new Hybrid MIDI mode, the time code is already built into the unit (DN-S1200 or DN-S3700).



They also have a smaller deck based controller that would probably go for what yer looking into for space, but I haven't heard anyone attempt the line code for em yet. (DN-SC2000)


This is a tough one cuz I've thought about doing (almost) exactly what yer doing, but keeping both TT's and 2 smaller controllers with a buddy's Rane68. . but with Serato's announcement for SL-4, it made more sense, and that idea for 4 decks (2 TT's and 2 controllers) more viable. but with midi mapping 1-to-1 for SSL, and not a lot of modifiers (except for chaining FX), that be a LOT of mapping and issues with compatibility, as well as powering and latency with that many things connected on yer laptop.

I dunno, but it's worth a shot. . .
Danae Dumler
16.01.2011		Get a DD-MC6000 and a CDJ? Or 3 EKS's as suggested above.
Julissa Serrone
16.01.2011
Originally Posted by BigC
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe under the basis of SSL, you won't be implement any sort of "jog wheel" into a setup with it. That's why Serato has ITCH. SSL is just for CDJ's and TT's.

I mean, it's a neat idea, don't get me wrong, but I don't see it being compliant with how SSL works on a fundamental level.
Well.....i've always thought this too, but someone mapped/hacked the Denon MC-6000 to work with Serato. There's a vid on youtube of it. I'm at work and it's blocked. It's posted on the main DJ community of Serato.

To answer the OP's question. Your gonna have a difficult time finding a quality jog wheel that's not attached to a premium controller. The only single ones that I know of are the EKS ones.
Audrey Pinda
16.01.2011		Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe under the basis of SSL, you won't be implement any sort of "jog wheel" into a setup with it. That's why Serato has ITCH. SSL is just for CDJ's and TT's.

I mean, it's a neat idea, don't get me wrong, but I don't see it being compliant with how SSL works on a fundamental level.
Waltraud Hulett
16.01.2011		part 2

midi controll of the sampler in serato,,, stay tuned,,, lol
Waltraud Hulett
16.01.2011
Originally Posted by JesC
moved over to general discussion
and i considered putting this in general first, but as i'm planning on fabricating a three deck midi controller to compliment my tech as a main controller i figured it should go, in mod / controller / etc...

..............

mhm
Waltraud Hulett
16.01.2011
Originally Posted by DJ Asand
lol what are u even asking?

if u can set up a modifier to switch the deck focus of serato so one Tech can control any of the 4 decks at a time? sure that can be done, i believe lol

as for the jogwheel controller things, jst look at wht other ppl have built and go from there.
what do you mean what am i asking ?

did you even read my post ?

obv theres plenty of midi controllers, usually duo's left right a b etc,
are there any cheap singular midi controllers,
i see theres a few new "beginner" set ups,
i'd like to find a jog wheel that has some resistance, and doesnt spin freely ,
cross fader doesnt matter as i'll be pulling it appart,

and i was asking if there was a better solution to what i've come up with so far,
if maybe i was overbelieveing things,

somthing along the lines of a midi fighter with a few jog wheels ( for form function and aesthetics ) would be nice,

i've thought about picking up a used midi controller and pulling it appart, but i'd still need another possibly to make three tables what to do with the third ?

and i'm assuming theres not much i can do about getting more cue points other then running multiple versions of the same song, as no one has responded with anything usefull,

quite along the lines of try google/ebay/your mom

but thanks,
Cristian Carmona
15.01.2011		moved over to general discussion
Ralph Alderette
15.01.2011		lol what are u even asking?

if u can set up a modifier to switch the deck focus of serato so one Tech can control any of the 4 decks at a time? sure that can be done, i believe lol

as for the jogwheel controller things, jst look at wht other ppl have built and go from there.
Waltraud Hulett
15.01.2011		srsly, no suggestions ? lolmg

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