Direct Drive Single Deck Turntable for Traktor Pro?

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Direct Drive Single Deck Turntable for Traktor Pro?
Posted on: 21.01.2011 by Meagan Kovatch
My name is Will Hart but I Dj for parties mostly at Iowa State University and Iowa University under the name of Dj Dadblast. I currently use a vestax vci 100, a midi fighter, and a korg nano which I mapped to control loops and three effects. I am looking for a direct drive turntable that can control any deck I assign it to. It must be USB and Traktor Pro compatible. I wan't to be able to actually scratch acapellas instead of just messing with the key, looping, juggling, and using traktors effects. I have no experience scratching but I know it is not practical to do it with the vci-100. I don't want an all in one controller like the NS7 (I don't want to switch to serato's itch) or that new controller traktor came out with because I don't want to give up my vci-100 or my midi fighter. Also I don't want to fork out the cash. So, I'm looking for a direct drive usb turntable that maps with traktor and controls one deck at a time. Any advice would be great, it's hard to obtain hardware advice in Iowa. The best we have are guitar centers with people who don't even know what Traktor is

Thanks,
Will Hart
Vi Ramano
10.02.2011
Originally Posted by Skruntburglar
Sure it doesn't "automatically" but my question is whether or not Traktor comes with a standard mapping for any of the controllers that have been suggested.
With the Denon DN-S3700, denon came up with "hybrid midi mode" which uses usb/midi for most controls/lights on the surface, but generates timecode audio for the platter control and scratching. Very high resolution http://www.denondj.com/firmware.aspx?ProductId=79
Hybrid Mode works with SSL, Traktor Scratch, Torq, and Mixvibes.

I also found this on the Japanese Denon website
http://denon.jp/dj/dns3700_traktor.html
http://denon.jp/dj/dns3700/traktor_m.../DN-S3700B.zip

http://translate.google.com/translat...0_traktor.html

And here are some threads on the denondjcommunity thread about Traktor mapping
http://www.denondjcommunity s.com/community /i...topic&start=72

http://www.denondjcommunity s.com/community /i...rb_v=viewtopic
Meagan Kovatch
26.01.2011
Originally Posted by MiL0
Traktor doesn't automatically map controllers.
Sure it doesn't "automatically" but my question is whether or not Traktor comes with a standard mapping for any of the controllers that have been suggested.
Meagan Kovatch
25.01.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
Traktor doesn't automatically mapp anything. You either have to find one or make your own.
Are you kidding? Of course Traktor maps things. You go to settings and device management and then you choose your controller. Traktor has many controllers pre mapped and the mappings come with the program. The VCI 100 is one of them.
Leeanna Ayla
24.01.2011
Originally Posted by Skruntburglar
Does traktor map the S3700/SCS.1d or do you need to find or create your own mapping?
Traktor doesn't automatically mapp anything. You either have to find one or make your own.
Mercy Dudik
12.02.2011		I have a pair of 3700s running in hybrid mode with traktor and I love them. The only thing that I dislike is the amount of cue slip there is with the hybrid mode. This isn't at the fault of Denon and will continue to be the case until NI gives them support for midi or allows them to use an official timecode signal.
Vi Ramano
10.02.2011
Originally Posted by Skruntburglar
Sure it doesn't "automatically" but my question is whether or not Traktor comes with a standard mapping for any of the controllers that have been suggested.
With the Denon DN-S3700, denon came up with "hybrid midi mode" which uses usb/midi for most controls/lights on the surface, but generates timecode audio for the platter control and scratching. Very high resolution http://www.denondj.com/firmware.aspx?ProductId=79
Hybrid Mode works with SSL, Traktor Scratch, Torq, and Mixvibes.

I also found this on the Japanese Denon website
http://denon.jp/dj/dns3700_traktor.html
http://denon.jp/dj/dns3700/traktor_m.../DN-S3700B.zip

http://translate.google.com/translat...0_traktor.html

And here are some threads on the denondjcommunity thread about Traktor mapping
http://www.denondjcommunity s.com/community /i...topic&start=72

http://www.denondjcommunity s.com/community /i...rb_v=viewtopic
Meagan Kovatch
26.01.2011
Originally Posted by MiL0
Traktor doesn't automatically map controllers.
Sure it doesn't "automatically" but my question is whether or not Traktor comes with a standard mapping for any of the controllers that have been suggested.
Arcelia Siebeneck
25.01.2011		Traktor doesn't automatically map controllers.
Meagan Kovatch
25.01.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
Traktor doesn't automatically mapp anything. You either have to find one or make your own.
Are you kidding? Of course Traktor maps things. You go to settings and device management and then you choose your controller. Traktor has many controllers pre mapped and the mappings come with the program. The VCI 100 is one of them.
Monroe Vandeslunt
24.01.2011		Denon SC2000 might solve you issue.

Its specifically designed for traktor, can control multi decks using a shift toggle.

The only ting I am unsure about is the responsiveness of the jog wheels. I suggest you look it up on youtube first.
Leeanna Ayla
24.01.2011
Originally Posted by Skruntburglar
Does traktor map the S3700/SCS.1d or do you need to find or create your own mapping?
Traktor doesn't automatically mapp anything. You either have to find one or make your own.
Meagan Kovatch
24.01.2011		Does traktor map the S3700/SCS.1d or do you need to find or create your own mapping?
Vi Ramano
23.01.2011		I found this review of the S3700.
http://www.digitaljockey.it/dij/inde...mid=56&lang=en

He also said "It was also possible to make a mapping with Traktor Pro which could control two decks alternately (you can control all four decks changing the mapping slightly), and everything worked well, as you can see in the video."

unfortunately the videos are gone from youtube. But since everything is midi mapped, I also thought it would not be a problem to even create a four-layer toggle mapping.
Tatum Ansaldo
22.01.2011		if it's fully midi mappable then you can just create a shift toggle to switch decks i would have thought.
Matthew Urtel
21.01.2011		3700 cannot be mapped to multiple decks that I know of...
Vi Ramano
21.01.2011		surprised no one mentioned the denon DN-S3700.
Has midi-mode for TraktorPro and a "time-code hybrid-mode" for Traktor Scratch or Serato Scratch.
fully midi-mappable surface, includes USB audio interface, plus doubles as a CD/media player.
Matthew Urtel
21.01.2011		I have a SCS.1d...., I'm getting it back from repair soon, then I can do a full review.
Meagan Kovatch
21.01.2011		Okay thanks. I believe I'll try the stanton scs.1d. I'll order within the next three weeks and I'll eventually post on here whether or not I like it.

Thank for the help
-Will Hart
Shonda Soulier
20.01.2011
Originally Posted by Skruntburglar
In order to use a turntable that turns with the song one must have timecode and scratch pro?
I would say no. You can scratch in Traktor Pro if you have scratching turned on and you use a motorized turntable that sends midi messages. If you want to use a real turntable with TCVinyl, then YES you MUST have TSPro.

To map a button to scratch, go to your controller manager settings and go to Add In... > Transport > Scratch

I'd look into the Stanton SCS1d or the Numark V7 as previously mentioned.

That said, I believe the scratch functionality is better in TSP because it is designed for that. But try it in TPro before you just up and switch.
Maddie Hobel
20.01.2011		The single version of the NS7 is the V7. It feels really sturdy and is kinda heavy. There was a rebate for a free hard case and 200 bucks but idk if its still around
Nedra Fresneda
21.01.2011
Originally Posted by Skruntburglar
But let me understand this: In order to use a turntable that turns with the song one must have timecode and scratch pro?
YES.

remember the ns7 is a different case as it is a controller.

you can try stanton's approach, but i have no idea of the build quality of the unit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCjZ_CJy248
Tatum Ansaldo
21.01.2011
Originally Posted by Skruntburglar
I don't need real vinyl, that's for sure. In fact, the Traktor Kontrol S4 looks like its jog wheels would meet my needs if they were direct drive. I'm not a scratch-dj by any means. A better example for what I'm looking for is the Numark NS7, which is also offered as a single deck controller although I forget what thats called. Thats what I want though! One direct drive table just like the Numark NS7, but I need one that works in Traktor and one that can switch decks to A,B,C, or D on command.
Originally Posted by Skruntburglar
I feel like traktor pro has got to be able to handle a basic direct drive table. My vestax jog wheels might even meet my basic needs if they were more responsive. But let me understand this: In order to use a turntable that turns with the song one must have timecode and scratch pro?
Yes, you need scratch pro and a timecode. Jog wheels on the S4 and the vast majority of other controllers don't move, just like the VCI ones. Numark make a single deck version of the NS7, I forget what it's called but there's a review on the blog. It's an itch controller but I believe it can be mapped to traktor.
Meagan Kovatch
21.01.2011		I feel like traktor pro has got to be able to handle a basic direct drive table. My vestax jog wheels might even meet my basic needs if they were more responsive. But let me understand this: In order to use a turntable that turns with the song one must have timecode and scratch pro?
Meagan Kovatch
21.01.2011		I don't need real vinyl, that's for sure. In fact, the Traktor Kontrol S4 looks like its jog wheels would meet my needs if they were direct drive. I'm not a scratch-dj by any means. A better example for what I'm looking for is the Numark NS7, which is also offered as a single deck controller although I forget what thats called. Thats what I want though! One direct drive table just like the Numark NS7, but I need one that works in Traktor and one that can switch decks to A,B,C, or D on command.
Nedra Fresneda
21.01.2011
Originally Posted by Skruntburglar
That's what I thought. I can upgrade to scratch pro no sweat. I currently use an Audio 2 Dj which, as we all know, is a native instruments controller. But it is the cheapest. Is it sufficient? Could someone fill me in on what timecode is? I feel like a bitch asking
you need at least an audio4, a2 has no inputs for timecode
Meagan Kovatch
21.01.2011		That's what I thought. I can upgrade to scratch pro no sweat. I currently use an Audio 2 Dj which, as we all know, is a native instruments controller. But it is the cheapest. Is it sufficient? Could someone fill me in on what timecode is? I feel like a bitch asking
Tatum Ansaldo
21.01.2011		If you want to control Traktor with a TT you're going to have to get Traktor Scratch Pro or Duo with a native instruments soundcard, or whatever they release in the next couple of months with the expected upgrade. Unfortunately you can't just plug in a USB turntable and use it with traktor, you need a timecoded vinyl. I'm assuming you want real vinyl since you say you want to scratch.

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