Adding touch sensitive jog- wheels to a Xone:3d

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Adding touch sensitive jog- wheels to a Xone:3d
Posted on: 10.05.2011 by Daniell Needam
Dear Forum,

I am generally very happy with my Xone:3d (I know I should have waited for the 4d) and Traktor Pro2. I like the sound and can work it blind. My only gripe is the lack of the kind of touch sensitive jog-wheels that are found on the likes of the VCI-100 for scratching and 'braking'. So:

1. Would it be theoretically possible to retro-fit such things?

2. Where could I get this done (I'm in Berlin) and how much would it cost?

I thank you all in advance.

Mo (community Noob)

Apparently I have to include a picture in a new thread:

Leeanna Ayla
10.05.2011
Originally Posted by josh@firestorm
add a midi foot switch to the setup
I didn't even believe of that and i believe the 3D has a foot switch plug on the back so a $20 foot switch would work great.
Jacque Divinity
10.05.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
Make the shift a toggle or buy one of these.
Amazon.com: DN-SC2000 Compact 2-Deck USB MIDI Controller: Musical Instruments
these are way smaller than i thought they'd be... not that it's a problem, its just a side note
Jacque Divinity
10.05.2011
Originally Posted by mowhiteman
photojojo:
I already have the scratch function matched to a shift button. The problem is that I really cant scratch with a shift button. You have to hold it while scratching which means you cant use the crossfader.
add a midi foot switch to the setup
Daniell Needam
10.05.2011		Dear Forum,

I am generally very happy with my Xone:3d (I know I should have waited for the 4d) and Traktor Pro2. I like the sound and can work it blind. My only gripe is the lack of the kind of touch sensitive jog-wheels that are found on the likes of the VCI-100 for scratching and 'braking'. So:

1. Would it be theoretically possible to retro-fit such things?

2. Where could I get this done (I'm in Berlin) and how much would it cost?

I thank you all in advance.

Mo (community Noob)

Apparently I have to include a picture in a new thread:

Daniell Needam
10.05.2011		I will try this out immediately tomorrow. Sounds really promising. Thanks for all your help!

mo
Tatum Ansaldo
10.05.2011		seek position? as in like fast forwarding through the track? fair enough, if that's what you want. It's more common to use them as pitch bend, and it's all explained in this extract:

Originally Posted by Midi Mapping for Bums - Tom Bruton

Tempo bend
We are going to assign a jog wheel to perform a tempo bend. For this we need to assign jog scratch/tempo bend to a jog wheel (encoder). We now need to set this to type of controller as encoder and interaction mode as relative. Then we have a choice of two encoder modes 3fh/41h and 7fh/01h. These effect how sensitive the jog wheel is for this example we will be using 7fh/01h but feel free to experiment with this. |We are now going to set the sensitivity to 100% and the acceleration to 0. Feel free to have a play with the setting as the jog wheels response is personal preference. When the Track is playing this wheel will perform a tempo bend and when is it stopped it will allow you to scrub though the track and perform scratch sounds.

Scratch On
This is an optional part of the deck mapping. However it is also the first time we will be adding a second function to a button. In this case we will be assigning scratch on which can be found under transport to the same encoder we mapped jog scratch/tempo bend to. By adding this function it will mean that even if the track is playing we will have a scratch effect on the track rather than a tempo bend. We need to set type of controller to button (yes I know its not a button but stick with me) and the control type to hold. Now assign it to the same deck as the other control on the jog wheel.
Each control type can be mapped to all sorts of controls even if its not that type of control physically. By mapping this to a button it is either on or off. So this means that if the control is mapped to hold when the jog wheel is being moved it is on so scratch on is on. As soon as the jog wheel is let go of scratch mode turns off. We need this to happen as the track wont play freely if scratch mode is on.
This works best on touch sensitive jog wheels (like those found on the vci100) because as soon as it is released the track will play. With touch sensitive wheels there can sometimes be a slight delay.
I only added the scratch on as it is a simple way to introduce mapping more than one function to a single control and mapping controls that are different to their physical form factor.
Daniell Needam
10.05.2011		Hmmm... Then I must be doing something wrong. When ever I press the 'Scratch On' button it stops the deck and waits for me to scratch. At the moment I have the jog programmed for 'Seek position' until I press a toggled modifier (which is simultaneously the 'Scratch On' button) I can then scratch but have to let the button go for the track to keep playing. It isn't the end of the world, but I do find it hard to start records with a scratch.
Tatum Ansaldo
10.05.2011		not if the jog isn't moving.
Daniell Needam
11.05.2011		Doesn't scratch mode stop playback? Or am I doing something different/wrong?
Tatum Ansaldo
10.05.2011		well if it's in scratch mode then it'll scratch whenever you move it, but that leaves you very open to accidentally nudging it and making a horrible noise / ruining a mix.
Daniell Needam
10.05.2011		I appreciate your creative believeing. I'll try the foot pedal idea. I believe I've got one lying sound somewhere.

This is probably the wrong community , but would it also be possible to set up the wheel so that if it detected movement it would turn on scratch mode, switching it off once it wasntmoving any more? This way the shift button could toggle between a track search function and a scratch function. Has anyone ever done something like that? Is it even possible with Traktor's scary midi config setup?
Leeanna Ayla
10.05.2011
Originally Posted by josh@firestorm
add a midi foot switch to the setup
I didn't even believe of that and i believe the 3D has a foot switch plug on the back so a $20 foot switch would work great.
Jacque Divinity
10.05.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
Make the shift a toggle or buy one of these.
Amazon.com: DN-SC2000 Compact 2-Deck USB MIDI Controller: Musical Instruments
these are way smaller than i thought they'd be... not that it's a problem, its just a side note
Jacque Divinity
10.05.2011
Originally Posted by mowhiteman
photojojo:
I already have the scratch function matched to a shift button. The problem is that I really cant scratch with a shift button. You have to hold it while scratching which means you cant use the crossfader.
add a midi foot switch to the setup
Leeanna Ayla
10.05.2011		Make the shift a toggle or buy one of these.
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Tatum Ansaldo
10.05.2011		I'm really not the person to ask about this, I have no idea which parts you would need!
Daniell Needam
10.05.2011		photojojo:
I already have the scratch function matched to a shift button. The problem is that I really cant scratch with a shift button. You have to hold it while scratching which means you cant use the crossfader.

fullenglishpint:
This is precisely what I had in mind. The touch function on the plate would become the shift button. Regular movement on the sides would be braking/pushing. I have a Vestax Spin which I dont use. Could this be cannibalised? I'm not sure how interchangeable parts are and if there are people that can be paid for this kind of work.
Tatum Ansaldo
10.05.2011		I'm sure it's theoretically possible, but it would probably be very difficult.

You'd have to do something like choose a button you weren't using for each jog and reroute its connections to a new jog wheel platter with some kind of touch sensitive assembly (where you'd get one of them from i have no idea).

Certainly not a beginner mod, and I have no idea how easy the 3D is to open up and mess around with.
Leeanna Ayla
10.05.2011		I don't believe it's possible to make them touch sensitive, but you could map the jogs to scratch when holding a shift button.

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