I got an idea

I got an idea
Posted on: 04.06.2011 by Marnie Pomeranz
hey there im needing some help i got an old MIDI keyboard that i want to mod and add arcade buttons 25 lol

but i took the old MIDI keyboard apart and i found the circut bored to have black spots were the keys would hit and make the connection. so the question is what do a solder the buttons to???

P.S. its just a generic MIDI keyboard any help would be amazing
Nelle Potrzebowski
10.06.2011
Yeh that's where I decided to wait before pulling my keyboard apart. I realised it was going to cost alot just for arcade buttons and stuff, and because I'm a noob thought I'd better try something simple to start with.

My numpad mod has 4 50p cheapo 30mm arcade buttons, a
Nelle Potrzebowski
10.06.2011
Yeh that's where I decided to wait before pulling my keyboard apart. I realised it was going to cost alot just for arcade buttons and stuff, and because I'm a noob thought I'd better try something simple to start with.

My numpad mod has 4 50p cheapo 30mm arcade buttons, a
Nelle Potrzebowski
10.06.2011
Yeh that's where I decided to wait before pulling my keyboard apart. I realised it was going to cost alot just for arcade buttons and stuff, and because I'm a noob thought I'd better try something simple to start with.

My numpad mod has 4 50p cheapo 30mm arcade buttons, a
Nelle Potrzebowski
10.06.2011
Yeh that's where I decided to wait before pulling my keyboard apart. I realised it was going to cost alot just for arcade buttons and stuff, and because I'm a noob thought I'd better try something simple to start with.

My numpad mod has 4 50p cheapo 30mm arcade buttons, a
Marnie Pomeranz
13.06.2011
Originally Posted by kilobytekaushik
[]1 []3
[]2 []4

1 and 2 to one pin of arcade button , 3 and 4 to the other pin.
[]1
[]2

which one of these is positve and negitve

[]3
[]4

would i have to soilder 1 and 2 togetter and the 3 and 4 togetter than add the to the buttons???
Nelle Potrzebowski
10.06.2011
Yeh that's where I decided to wait before pulling my keyboard apart. I realised it was going to cost alot just for arcade buttons and stuff, and because I'm a noob thought I'd better try something simple to start with.

My numpad mod has 4 50p cheapo 30mm arcade buttons, a
Marnie Pomeranz
05.06.2011
Originally Posted by Rob
I see that all bottom left black pads share the same connection and the same goes for the top left, but how do you convert the 4 velocity sensitive pads to 2 connections for a button switch?

EDIT: found this thread, looks like it's easy:
http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=11070
are you saying that that is ground then???

i had a look a the thread and same again could not under stand it
Marnie Pomeranz
05.06.2011
Originally Posted by HerbStrike
you wanna ignore the black spots entirely trace the connects back to the solder points and de-solder each solder point, but you may have a problem with that as they are machine soldered so you need a very high heat to de solder not sure if you can get a commercial soldering iron, but i can see that there is a ground connection and a button connection so it is possible i will annotate your image if you can't see it, the ground connects to one of the black spots and all of the black spots in the same position and the signal connects to the other.
so what you are saying is bypass the resistors then ???
Karry Sappington
13.06.2011
wait!,first connect 1 and 4 to 2 pins of the buttonn give it a try. i dont believe you need to worry about positive or negative because, the board will most probably have a main ground point of its own. try testing direction of current flow between 2 points with a multimeter by reversing the +ve n -ve lead and check for all 4 points. at some point it may show same value but opp sign(+ve -ve) .

can you post a full pic of the board underside, where the diodes are connected.
Marnie Pomeranz
13.06.2011
Originally Posted by kilobytekaushik
[]1 []3
[]2 []4

1 and 2 to one pin of arcade button , 3 and 4 to the other pin.
[]1
[]2

which one of these is positve and negitve

[]3
[]4

would i have to soilder 1 and 2 togetter and the 3 and 4 togetter than add the to the buttons???
Karry Sappington
10.06.2011
[]1 []3
[]2 []4

1 and 2 to one pin of arcade button , 3 and 4 to the other pin.
Nelle Potrzebowski
10.06.2011
Yeh that's where I decided to wait before pulling my keyboard apart. I realised it was going to cost alot just for arcade buttons and stuff, and because I'm a noob thought I'd better try something simple to start with.

My numpad mod has 4 50p cheapo 30mm arcade buttons, a
Marnie Pomeranz
10.06.2011
cool i believe ill need to buy all the stuff im believeing about using like arcade buttons and flex sensors
Nelle Potrzebowski
09.06.2011
Build log would certainly help me once I start mine.
Have you tried the wiring for a button yet? Personally I would try 1 button first to make sure it works before doing the rest.

So what's your goal? How many buttons? Any knobs or faders? What are you believeing about housing it in?
Marnie Pomeranz
09.06.2011
do you all believe i should do like a build log or like a video???
Marnie Pomeranz
05.06.2011
so i need to bridge over using wire and the add the switch
Kristopher Salta
06.06.2011
Don't hold me to ransom on this, but i believe that this is the correct way to do it:

sorry about the image size
Marnie Pomeranz
05.06.2011
Originally Posted by Rob
I see that all bottom left black pads share the same connection and the same goes for the top left, but how do you convert the 4 velocity sensitive pads to 2 connections for a button switch?

EDIT: found this thread, looks like it's easy:
http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=11070
are you saying that that is ground then???

i had a look a the thread and same again could not under stand it
Marnie Pomeranz
05.06.2011
Originally Posted by HerbStrike
you wanna ignore the black spots entirely trace the connects back to the solder points and de-solder each solder point, but you may have a problem with that as they are machine soldered so you need a very high heat to de solder not sure if you can get a commercial soldering iron, but i can see that there is a ground connection and a button connection so it is possible i will annotate your image if you can't see it, the ground connects to one of the black spots and all of the black spots in the same position and the signal connects to the other.
so what you are saying is bypass the resistors then ???
Nelle Potrzebowski
05.06.2011
I see that all bottom left black pads share the same connection and the same goes for the top left, but how do you convert the 4 velocity sensitive pads to 2 connections for a button switch?

EDIT: found this thread, looks like it's easy:
http://www.djranking s.com/community /showthread.php?t=11070
Estefana Musfeldt
05.06.2011
you wanna ignore the black spots entirely trace the connects back to the solder points and de-solder each solder point, but you may have a problem with that as they are machine soldered so you need a very high heat to de solder not sure if you can get a commercial soldering iron, but i can see that there is a ground connection and a button connection so it is possible i will annotate your image if you can't see it, the ground connects to one of the black spots and all of the black spots in the same position and the signal connects to the other.
Marnie Pomeranz
04.06.2011
Still don't know how to wire up the buttons so if any has an idea let me know
Nelle Potrzebowski
04.06.2011
Well you're a step further than me. I'm doing a basic numeric keypad mod first to teach myself the basics like soldering and stuff, but always with a goal of ripping my keyboard apart later.
Marnie Pomeranz
04.06.2011
I showed the idea to a friend and he told me to expose the copper on the board so that I have a better connection but I still don't know what I'm doing
Nelle Potrzebowski
04.06.2011
Edit: I see you already filed down to the contacts on the far left 4 pads?
What did you use?
Nelle Potrzebowski
04.06.2011
[] [] - trigger 1
[] [] - trigger 2
L R

My theory is that the velocity is calculated by the delay between trigger 1 and trigger 2.
So I believe if you bridge the connection between both 'L' pads and also bridge both 'R' pads. It would convert the single connection 'L'-'R' to a full velocity switch.

To get to the metal to solder onto I believe we need to file the board to expose it.

This is all theory and I don't really know what I'm doing, apart from building up post count.
Marnie Pomeranz
04.06.2011
so how do we go about adding arcade buttons to my keyboard???
Nelle Potrzebowski
04.06.2011
Is that m-audio? I'm looking to do the same to mine in future.
Basically there are 4pads on the PCB, and 2 plungers underneath the keys to make connection. I believe that's because of touch sensitivity.
Marnie Pomeranz
04.06.2011
These are photos of my keyboard circut board right under the Black and White keys
Joan Kollmorgen
05.06.2011
Take a picture of both sides of the circuit board then it will be easier to help you.

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