Midifighter Pro, Korg Kaos Pad Quad?
Midifighter Pro, Korg Kaos Pad Quad? Posted on: 01.10.2011 by Cherryl Thyfault So I'm saving up money for the new VCI 400 right now but I want some midi controllers for cool effects and beatmashing I was believeing a korg kaos pad quad for some of the cool effects and customizable effects that it has and then a midi fighter pro but I'm not completely sure what midifighter pro I should get between the beat masher, the cue master, and the super knob edition. I know you can map it however you want to but I'd rather leave the mappings how I get them until I fully understand how to map buttons correctly. Opinons please! | |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 10.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
a "CC message" contains 3 things: * midi channel (1 to 16) * event/number (0 - 127) * value (0 - 127) same goes for note on messages, tho they're usually called midi channel + note + velocity, but all we care about is the fact they have these 3 things. so for example... say your nanokontrol sends out a CC53 when you move one of the faders on midi channel 1... what this means is that any device "listening" to midi channel 1 (traktor most likely here) will see this CC53 and the value of it will change as you move the fader. so when you move the fader to the bottom it will send out CC53/0 and when you move it to the top it will send out CC53/127 and also various (but probably not all) values in between as you move it. so in traktor you could map "CC53 midi channel1" to control something like a volume fader and as you move the fader the volume control in traktor will move too. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 10.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
apps like traktor need a midi port to send data to and to receive data from. so traktor will listen to data from the "MM to Traktor" port and midimasher will send data to it, and the reverse for the "Traktor to MM" port. the virtual midi fighter code also needs dedicated ports (2 again - same reasons as above) so that u can use the vanilla midifighter tsi files in traktor. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 10.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
CC means controller change message in midi speak a midi event is (mostly) one of noteon/noteoff/cc |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 10.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
actually getting the midifighter tsi can be a bit of a pain in itself - remember to import via the big red import button (after doing backup of any configs - as it will nuke the current ones), restarting traktor, and doing it again - this is needed to get the effects stuff setup properly. then install loopMIDI and add these 4 ports: * MidiFighter1 Input * MidiFighter1 Output * Traktor to MM * MM to Traktor import the settings/traktor.tsi (via the add>import button) and assign the midi ports. it's simpler than it sounds - all traktor (ish) stuff worth getting used to anyway. also things must be started in this order (same for any app using virtual ports) * start loopMIDI * start midimasher * start traktor once traktor is running and all happy - u can restart midimasher as often as needed to edit configs etc. traktor just has a nasty habit of grabbing midi ports that it shouldn't be... if u need more detail (and probably will - i'm not great at explaining anyway) then post on that other thread. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 10.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
nanokontrol mk2 only has 8 channels - but more buttons - and the mk2's are overal more curvy than the mk1's. korg's website should have photos of mk1's and mk2's... edit: i kind of hope u have the mk2's so i can talk you through creating a device config for them for me it's quite simple to do. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 10.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
i have a nanokey (mk1) that i've used with the midifighter config too - works fine - just no led feedback and no way of having quite a 4x4 grid ofc you could setup your nanokontrol to do a whole bunch of stuff. these are mk1's or 2's? u didnt say in prev messages. anyway... feel free to ask away on the other thread and i'll help as much as i can. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 04.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by DJ_Pabloco
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| Chasidy Heckenbach 04.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
i just have an old version of live5 that i originally bought and the live8le that came with my launchpad. it can be used to creating/producing your own stuff as well as re-mixing live, it's pretty cool, tho i much prefer traktor for more traditional (if u can call it that) dj'ing... |
| Percy Keehan 03.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by ranzerox
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| Chasidy Heckenbach 03.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
it lets me connect to all my controllers and then use scripts written in LUA to do whatever i want with them. i have a big tsi file for traktor that contains all the actions i might want so means i dont need to mess around in the controller editor too much. for example if u wanted to map the control 'fader4' on my lpd8 to the deck A level in traktor i just add this line to my config: pipe("lpd8", "fader4", 0, "traktor", "volume_fader_a") i have a couple of mappings available for the lpd8 at the moment - but the idea is for people to customise their own - not to just use what i might create. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 03.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
u can use automap or my own midimasher software to create virtual faders from a set of buttons, add multiple pages/layers etc - so it's pretty flexible. i'll probably get a 2nd one at some point. very useful for ableton - but also i have a lot of fun using it with traktor. i do prefer having something with actual pots/faders on tho for levels/eq. i don't use ableton as much as i would like - but when i do i use my nanokontrol for levels and the launchpad for clip launching. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 10.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
a "CC message" contains 3 things: * midi channel (1 to 16) * event/number (0 - 127) * value (0 - 127) same goes for note on messages, tho they're usually called midi channel + note + velocity, but all we care about is the fact they have these 3 things. so for example... say your nanokontrol sends out a CC53 when you move one of the faders on midi channel 1... what this means is that any device "listening" to midi channel 1 (traktor most likely here) will see this CC53 and the value of it will change as you move the fader. so when you move the fader to the bottom it will send out CC53/0 and when you move it to the top it will send out CC53/127 and also various (but probably not all) values in between as you move it. so in traktor you could map "CC53 midi channel1" to control something like a volume fader and as you move the fader the volume control in traktor will move too. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 10.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
apps like traktor need a midi port to send data to and to receive data from. so traktor will listen to data from the "MM to Traktor" port and midimasher will send data to it, and the reverse for the "Traktor to MM" port. the virtual midi fighter code also needs dedicated ports (2 again - same reasons as above) so that u can use the vanilla midifighter tsi files in traktor. |
| Cherryl Thyfault 10.10.2011 | so cc means you could have a whole different mapping with it on than if its off? |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 10.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
CC means controller change message in midi speak a midi event is (mostly) one of noteon/noteoff/cc |
| Cherryl Thyfault 10.10.2011 | and I installed loopMIDI just now and i dont see any big red button haha all its letting me do is add channels |
| Cherryl Thyfault 10.10.2011 | okay thanks a lot and what does CC mean? |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 10.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
actually getting the midifighter tsi can be a bit of a pain in itself - remember to import via the big red import button (after doing backup of any configs - as it will nuke the current ones), restarting traktor, and doing it again - this is needed to get the effects stuff setup properly. then install loopMIDI and add these 4 ports: * MidiFighter1 Input * MidiFighter1 Output * Traktor to MM * MM to Traktor import the settings/traktor.tsi (via the add>import button) and assign the midi ports. it's simpler than it sounds - all traktor (ish) stuff worth getting used to anyway. also things must be started in this order (same for any app using virtual ports) * start loopMIDI * start midimasher * start traktor once traktor is running and all happy - u can restart midimasher as often as needed to edit configs etc. traktor just has a nasty habit of grabbing midi ports that it shouldn't be... if u need more detail (and probably will - i'm not great at explaining anyway) then post on that other thread. |
| Cherryl Thyfault 10.10.2011 | and to be completely honest i have no idea how to use your mapping haha |
| Cherryl Thyfault 10.10.2011 | okay ya its a mk1 |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 10.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
nanokontrol mk2 only has 8 channels - but more buttons - and the mk2's are overal more curvy than the mk1's. korg's website should have photos of mk1's and mk2's... edit: i kind of hope u have the mk2's so i can talk you through creating a device config for them for me it's quite simple to do. |
| Cherryl Thyfault 10.10.2011 | How do I know if its a mk1 or mk2? haha they are all black instead of white idk if that means anything |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 10.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
i have a nanokey (mk1) that i've used with the midifighter config too - works fine - just no led feedback and no way of having quite a 4x4 grid ofc you could setup your nanokontrol to do a whole bunch of stuff. these are mk1's or 2's? u didnt say in prev messages. anyway... feel free to ask away on the other thread and i'll help as much as i can. |
| Cherryl Thyfault 10.10.2011 | Zestoi! got my korg nano pad key and kontrol along with the LPD8! i am ready for that software you were talking about |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 04.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by DJ_Pabloco
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| Chasidy Heckenbach 04.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
i just have an old version of live5 that i originally bought and the live8le that came with my launchpad. it can be used to creating/producing your own stuff as well as re-mixing live, it's pretty cool, tho i much prefer traktor for more traditional (if u can call it that) dj'ing... |
| Cherryl Thyfault 03.10.2011 | okay and I also see you use Traktor Pro 2 and Ableton LIve. Can you explain to me the functionality of using Ableton Live with Traktor Pro 2 for making mixes or what not? LIke what do you use it for? and what does it let you do that Traktor doesn't? |
| Percy Keehan 03.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by ranzerox
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| Chasidy Heckenbach 03.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
it lets me connect to all my controllers and then use scripts written in LUA to do whatever i want with them. i have a big tsi file for traktor that contains all the actions i might want so means i dont need to mess around in the controller editor too much. for example if u wanted to map the control 'fader4' on my lpd8 to the deck A level in traktor i just add this line to my config: pipe("lpd8", "fader4", 0, "traktor", "volume_fader_a") i have a couple of mappings available for the lpd8 at the moment - but the idea is for people to customise their own - not to just use what i might create. |
| Cherryl Thyfault 03.10.2011 | nice! and you said you had mappings for the akai lpd8 right??? a midimasher mapping? what does midimasher mean or stand for? |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 03.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
u can use automap or my own midimasher software to create virtual faders from a set of buttons, add multiple pages/layers etc - so it's pretty flexible. i'll probably get a 2nd one at some point. very useful for ableton - but also i have a lot of fun using it with traktor. i do prefer having something with actual pots/faders on tho for levels/eq. i don't use ableton as much as i would like - but when i do i use my nanokontrol for levels and the launchpad for clip launching. |
| Cherryl Thyfault 03.10.2011 | is the launchpad basically a bunch of buttons you can map or is there more to it? I looked it up and saw a ton of buttons and nothing else haha. |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 03.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
the scs.3d's are very cool - not much u *cant* do with those... love one so much that i got a 2nd not had any time to use my real midifighter at all yet. i have a virtual midifighter on my launchpad that i use with the instant grat tsi - quite fun - but not sure i'd use it in an actual set. the arcade buttons of the midifighter will be cool for hot cues or sample decks or something tho i am sure... |
| Cherryl Thyfault 03.10.2011 | haha really??? I thought the nanokey would be cool because I produce as well but I'll take your word for it. How do you like those scs.3d's? and what do you use the midifighter for??? |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 03.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
tho i do also have the lpd8+nanokontrol+nanokey myself i guess yep - u will be able to do plenty with that lot... i find the nanokey pretty crap - to use as an actual musical/piano keyboard - but its not bad just as a set of buttons to map - and it's soooooooo small. |
| Cherryl Thyfault 03.10.2011 | alright I just ordered an Akai LPD8 and on ebay they had a sale so I also got Korg NanoPad, NanoKey, and NanoKontrol. I could probably map some good effects and beatmashing stuff on those right? |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 03.10.2011 |
Originally Posted by Bigtyme7
a waaaaaaaaay too over used effect - but can be very effective if used selectively same goes for the over used phrase cue point juggling... there are times to do rapid cue point switches but again seems to be way too much over used by the way people talk about it here. u can do a lot with just a 4x4 grid. all the mf-pros gives u are 4 extra small buttons and 4 pots. every mf has inputs anyway tho so u can always solder on some extra controls to a mf classic if u really need them. i am going to add 4 extra buttons to mine so i can use the "external 4 banks mode" which then gives u 4x a 4x4 grid instead of just 4x a 4x3 grid if u use the internal 4 banks mode. also +1 on the lpd8 - awesome controller. checkout my midimasher thread if u want true midifighter 4banks (or normal) emulation via your lpd8. |
| Aleta Hartzler 02.10.2011 | just get an lpd8 and map some instant grat to it... i could even give you an instant grat mapping for it. quite easy. |
| Cherryl Thyfault 02.10.2011 | I have a Numark Mixtrack Pro right now :/ kinda sucks but college has been keeping me from having a job till now. So im finally making some money and I just saw Ean's video about the new VCI400 and it looks very nice! as far as the extra midis for beatmashing and effects I'm not sure what to get. First off what exactly is beatmashing? and for effects I believe I'd like a little more control than just a 4x4 square with buttons you know? |
| Chasidy Heckenbach 01.10.2011 | why waste cash on the kaos pad when u can use internal effects in traktor? esp as u say u are saving up... u don't say what (if any) controllers u have already. a mf classic is fine for instant grat and beat mashing etc - depends if u want the extra buttons and knobs. u can attach extra controls to the classic too if u fancy a bit of modding... if u like the XY pad type input of the kaos pad there's always the cheapo nanopad or the better vestax padone. the padone has decent pads and would be fine for beat mashing too. |
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