Filter sweeps in Traktor impossible?
Filter sweeps in Traktor impossible? Posted on: 10.03.2013 by Mabelle Anstaett Hey everyone!This past weekend I saw both Calvin Harris and Excision here in Charlotte. One thing I seemed to notice that they do is they use the high pass filter to create a "whooshing" sound. It can create some serious build ups. I'm just wondering how this is possible in traktor. I'm using the ladder filter, but there's just no resonance until you get to about 60 - 70%. I have a Kontrol S2, so I'm starting to wonder if this would be different with the S4? Maybe something to do with hardware filter vs software filter? Please help me out! The filter is quite possibly my favorite tool in DJ'ing, but it's just lackluster as is. I tried my buddy's DDJ-SX out and the filter was beautiful. As soon as I started moving the knob I would get a "whoosh" sound. Please, someone tell me there's a way to emulate this in Traktor! I don't want to get a serato board! I don't care if I have to down grade Traktor versions. | |
Kellie Myrum 12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by zack771
Add in > FX Unit > Effect Selector / type-button / mode-direct / value-Delay Add in > FX Unit > Unit On / type-button / mode-toggle Add in > FX Unit > Button 2 / type-button / mode-toggle Add in > FX Unit > Button 3 / type-button / mode-direct / value-0 Add in > FX Unit > DryWet / type-button / mode-direct / value-0.300 Add in > FX Unit > Knob 1 / type-button / mode-direct / value-0.600 Add in > FX Unit > Knob 2 / type-button / mode-direct / value-0.400 Add in > FX Unit > Knob 3 / type-button / mode-direct / value-0.300 Add in > FX Unit > FX Unit Mode Selector / type-button / mode-direct / value-Single Add in > FX Unit > FX Store preset / type-button / mode-Trigger |
Danae Dumler 12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Frank112916
The Traktor method isn't for everyone, and the Pioneer method is a lot simpler for those who don't want to spend the time and energy mapping things (it's a huge pain, granted). But it's far more powerful than what you have on pioneer - a very limited set of effects that are pretty obvious to anyone who's played with the mixer before. Traktor allows endless creative combinations, but they require a lot more "homework". |
Mabelle Anstaett 12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
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Dino Hapgood 12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
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Dino Hapgood 12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by manchild
Honestly if traktor simply implemented a more intuitive FX panel (the macro fx have been such an utter disappointment), useable vue meters (I actually spent an entire day mapping my DN X vue meters only to find out how absolutely useless this was), and more HID compliant controllers (so that I could have useable, scratchable jogs without spending 2000-2500 for a set of glorified jog wheels), I'd be so on board with ditching my mixer and turntables and going for a full-on midi setup. I don't LIKE carrying turntables around, I don't like having to clean a needle every 5 seconds, and I don't like when my needles break, but I can't afford CDJ 2k's and I could afford a pio900 if I wanted but I have better things to spend my money on. Unfortunately I'd rather lug my 1200's and Mixer around than deal with the nonsense that is Traktor's in-the-box mixing solution. Pioneers workflow for FX makes way more sense --> Sound Color button --> Beat Color selector --> bpm tap (if necessary)-->timing select -->dry wet set/on off --->twist filter knob ---> voila! Traktor is ---> Do I need 1 or 3 fx? How much control do I want? Ok I want lots of fx and lots of control...so 4 fx... 2 fx units...now if I don't have it mapped that's 6 knobs, 2 dry wet, if I am mixing externally I need to find a f@#k!ng button to echo freeze to get a simulated post fader effect...which means effectively my 4th effect is relegated to doing something my mixer already does in a more superior fashion...Ok so now I've set the parameter of the first three fx that are chained...now how much dry wet is too much? Will it sound good in combination with lots of wetness on the echo effect? Will it increase the volume of my track too much? Maybe...Ok well fuck it, I've got 10 seconds left in this track/this track has been looping "throw your hands up" for the past 2 minutes and I'm pretty sure the crowd is finally starting to catch on...Well here goes noth...oh shit...this sounds terrible...Ok bad transition...not doing that again...where'd my crowd go? Unless you're spinning really slow/repetitive music or doing extremely long transitions, traktors fx are just a hinderance. I mean yeah, I wish I was Richie Hawtin, but I'm not and I believe the Plastic Man is happy that I don't try. I simply don't have time to get all scientific on the decks and solve a system of equations to find a closed form solution how the effects algorithm is going to modify my track in such a way given an infinite combination of settings and the frequency spectrum of the current mix. I apologize for the rant but honestly - c'mon NI. Give us regular folk something we can use without spending more time learning FX than learning our tracks. Macro fx were a valiant effort indeed, but they still fall short of delivering easy to use quality fx that rival the A&H or Pioneer. |
Doreen Schurle 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by papo
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Albertina Fay 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
this is actually the first time I map something, other than storing the 1st cue point as a load marker. lol before i was actually turning two effects knob (reverb and filter) try to achieve an effect like this... this make it so much easier. i need to try more mapping with effects.... thanks for all your help and input. |
Doreen Schurle 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by papo
I also have my knobs mapped as relative so Iceverb and Reverb don't go all the way to 100, obscures less of the melody at 100% that way. |
Albertina Fay 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
On the X1, the first effect knob controls the wet/dry and all three effects, but does not turn them on or off. the button to the left of the knob, toggles all three effects on/off, but leaving the effects bank on, so it gives it the little tail. no sudden shut-off. it sounds great! |
Doreen Schurle 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by papo
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Albertina Fay 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by manchild
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Kellie Myrum 12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by zack771
Add in > FX Unit > Effect Selector / type-button / mode-direct / value-Delay Add in > FX Unit > Unit On / type-button / mode-toggle Add in > FX Unit > Button 2 / type-button / mode-toggle Add in > FX Unit > Button 3 / type-button / mode-direct / value-0 Add in > FX Unit > DryWet / type-button / mode-direct / value-0.300 Add in > FX Unit > Knob 1 / type-button / mode-direct / value-0.600 Add in > FX Unit > Knob 2 / type-button / mode-direct / value-0.400 Add in > FX Unit > Knob 3 / type-button / mode-direct / value-0.300 Add in > FX Unit > FX Unit Mode Selector / type-button / mode-direct / value-Single Add in > FX Unit > FX Store preset / type-button / mode-Trigger |
Danae Dumler 12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Frank112916
The Traktor method isn't for everyone, and the Pioneer method is a lot simpler for those who don't want to spend the time and energy mapping things (it's a huge pain, granted). But it's far more powerful than what you have on pioneer - a very limited set of effects that are pretty obvious to anyone who's played with the mixer before. Traktor allows endless creative combinations, but they require a lot more "homework". |
Alphonso Deitchman 12.03.2013 | Turn on Delay as a Single mode effect in Traktor. Press FRZ. Listen to the results. Tweak the 3 setting dials and repeat. |
Mabelle Anstaett 12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
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Jerica Salava 12.03.2013 | I thank the heavens every day for freeze delay. |
Dino Hapgood 12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by jdownesbaird
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Delena Katherman 12.03.2013 | Traktor has post fader effects now, so why do you need to use echo freeze to "simulate" post fader effects? |
Dino Hapgood 12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by manchild
Honestly if traktor simply implemented a more intuitive FX panel (the macro fx have been such an utter disappointment), useable vue meters (I actually spent an entire day mapping my DN X vue meters only to find out how absolutely useless this was), and more HID compliant controllers (so that I could have useable, scratchable jogs without spending 2000-2500 for a set of glorified jog wheels), I'd be so on board with ditching my mixer and turntables and going for a full-on midi setup. I don't LIKE carrying turntables around, I don't like having to clean a needle every 5 seconds, and I don't like when my needles break, but I can't afford CDJ 2k's and I could afford a pio900 if I wanted but I have better things to spend my money on. Unfortunately I'd rather lug my 1200's and Mixer around than deal with the nonsense that is Traktor's in-the-box mixing solution. Pioneers workflow for FX makes way more sense --> Sound Color button --> Beat Color selector --> bpm tap (if necessary)-->timing select -->dry wet set/on off --->twist filter knob ---> voila! Traktor is ---> Do I need 1 or 3 fx? How much control do I want? Ok I want lots of fx and lots of control...so 4 fx... 2 fx units...now if I don't have it mapped that's 6 knobs, 2 dry wet, if I am mixing externally I need to find a f@#k!ng button to echo freeze to get a simulated post fader effect...which means effectively my 4th effect is relegated to doing something my mixer already does in a more superior fashion...Ok so now I've set the parameter of the first three fx that are chained...now how much dry wet is too much? Will it sound good in combination with lots of wetness on the echo effect? Will it increase the volume of my track too much? Maybe...Ok well fuck it, I've got 10 seconds left in this track/this track has been looping "throw your hands up" for the past 2 minutes and I'm pretty sure the crowd is finally starting to catch on...Well here goes noth...oh shit...this sounds terrible...Ok bad transition...not doing that again...where'd my crowd go? Unless you're spinning really slow/repetitive music or doing extremely long transitions, traktors fx are just a hinderance. I mean yeah, I wish I was Richie Hawtin, but I'm not and I believe the Plastic Man is happy that I don't try. I simply don't have time to get all scientific on the decks and solve a system of equations to find a closed form solution how the effects algorithm is going to modify my track in such a way given an infinite combination of settings and the frequency spectrum of the current mix. I apologize for the rant but honestly - c'mon NI. Give us regular folk something we can use without spending more time learning FX than learning our tracks. Macro fx were a valiant effort indeed, but they still fall short of delivering easy to use quality fx that rival the A&H or Pioneer. |
Doreen Schurle 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by papo
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Albertina Fay 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
this is actually the first time I map something, other than storing the 1st cue point as a load marker. lol before i was actually turning two effects knob (reverb and filter) try to achieve an effect like this... this make it so much easier. i need to try more mapping with effects.... thanks for all your help and input. |
Doreen Schurle 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by papo
I also have my knobs mapped as relative so Iceverb and Reverb don't go all the way to 100, obscures less of the melody at 100% that way. |
Albertina Fay 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
On the X1, the first effect knob controls the wet/dry and all three effects, but does not turn them on or off. the button to the left of the knob, toggles all three effects on/off, but leaving the effects bank on, so it gives it the little tail. no sudden shut-off. it sounds great! |
Doreen Schurle 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by papo
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Albertina Fay 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by manchild
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Albertina Fay 11.03.2013 | looks like I got it to work and didn't even have to use midi-mode. |
Addie Engbrecht 11.03.2013 | It can be done. Just map it to a button for the time being and select what effect you want, then press the learn button again and set it for the knob......it should work after |
Albertina Fay 11.03.2013 | i believe i found a little loophole on how to do it with the x1. i'll post back in a few.. |
Kellie Myrum 11.03.2013 | I believe that X1 knobs can't be mapped for button type commands... |
Albertina Fay 11.03.2013 | so I am following armyofme's tutorial. when i add "effect 1 selector" and learn the knob I am going to use, there is no way for me to select button as type, and without that, I do not have the option to select an effect. does this make sense? Also, I thought we were now able to override the default traktor hardware mappings, but it looks like the X1 was excluded... so needs to be in midi-mode correct? |
Addie Engbrecht 11.03.2013 | Which part are you having a hard time with? like the suggestion to have a button to reset to "0" instead using a knob?? |
Kellie Myrum 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by papo
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Albertina Fay 11.03.2013 | having a hard time mapping this to the X1. Any one willing to help some.... |
Albertina Fay 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by mdcdesign
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Doreen Schurle 12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by manchild
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Kellie Myrum 12.03.2013 | I used two presets for platter in this video, first was mash, peak, delay and second was gater, mash, peak. Knob was mapped just for reverb T3, peak and F92. |
Mabelle Anstaett 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Stewe
EDIT: Oops. Didn't see the other posts. Sorry! |
Kellie Myrum 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hermes
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Joetta Zhuk 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Stewe
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Kellie Myrum 11.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Hermes
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