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Which type of gamepads have the most outputs?
Posted on: 12.04.2011 by Matha Obray
Hey DJTT

Im looking to do a custom midi fighter like controller. So i want at least 16 digital outputs and 4 analog. Does anyone know of any gamepads that can give that? links would be great.

Thanks
-Ben
Shonda Soulier
14.04.2011
Originally Posted by MiL0
grab them - great deal!

once you've got the 3 pads, chop the connectors off and replace them with normal male usb connectors. Next install XBCD and: http://www.fergonez.net/index.php?la...ge=apps&pid=14

and you're good to go
I've seen you mention the built-in USB hub in this thread, is that the thing in the middle? How can you daisy chain them together? What is the max amount of controllers you can chain together and still have software support? I am intrigued by this now...
Arcelia Siebeneck
14.04.2011
Originally Posted by BennyJ
well looks like i found 3 original xbox pads for 13 bucks locally. 6 analogs right? and like 20 buttons? that sounds great.
grab them - great deal!

once you've got the 3 pads, chop the connectors off and replace them with normal male usb connectors. Next install XBCD and: http://www.fergonez.net/index.php?la...ge=apps&pid=14

and you're good to go
Nia Lindau
15.12.2011		The PS3 Dualshock six axis is perfect for Traktor. Im trying to map one right now. Most buttons are pressure sensitive too with quite good depth especially on the 2nd shoulder buttons.

Only problem is pairing it with lion on mac.

It's driving me insane. Keep getting a pop asking for a pairing code and it never works.

I'm using OSCulator for routing midi.
Matha Obray
20.04.2011		^^Exactly. Makes sense
Allene Manitta
19.04.2011		in most cases you have 10k linear thumbsticks (standard part) built in, which you might want to replace with exactly such faders.
Fannie Lafranca
17.04.2011		Lads, sorry for asking such a Noob question here:

As for buttons, I understand that the arcade buttons are fairly simple to get.

However I just wondered.. what type faders and pots would you get to connect to it. I'm just imaging there must be so many different resitances etc? :eek:
Matha Obray
16.04.2011		sweet! i believe ill go with those then
Arcelia Siebeneck
16.04.2011		correct
Matha Obray
15.04.2011		I might be able to get some for free from my buddy lol and if i connect 2 of the pads together im guessing it doubles the output amount?
Arcelia Siebeneck
14.04.2011		the 'thing' in the middle is a normal 2 port usb hub... it just happens to have some strange female connectors attached to it.

you've got two choices - you can either try and solder the other xbox pads directly to the hub (try and find the pin outs via google). The slightly easier option would be to attach the correct connectors to the other xbox pads so that you can plug them directly into the usb hub. I believe the hub is designed to take memory cards and other xbox peripherals - if you can find some of these peripherals on ebay for cheap, grab em and use the connectors.
Shonda Soulier
14.04.2011
Originally Posted by MiL0
grab them - great deal!

once you've got the 3 pads, chop the connectors off and replace them with normal male usb connectors. Next install XBCD and: http://www.fergonez.net/index.php?la...ge=apps&pid=14

and you're good to go
I've seen you mention the built-in USB hub in this thread, is that the thing in the middle? How can you daisy chain them together? What is the max amount of controllers you can chain together and still have software support? I am intrigued by this now...
Arcelia Siebeneck
14.04.2011
Originally Posted by BennyJ
well looks like i found 3 original xbox pads for 13 bucks locally. 6 analogs right? and like 20 buttons? that sounds great.
grab them - great deal!

once you've got the 3 pads, chop the connectors off and replace them with normal male usb connectors. Next install XBCD and: http://www.fergonez.net/index.php?la...ge=apps&pid=14

and you're good to go
Shonda Soulier
14.04.2011		yeah those ones on eBay should work. and glovepie will be the converter you use for multiple gamepads.
Matha Obray
13.04.2011		So before i buy...these will work right?

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-USB-2-0-PC-Gam...#ht_3961wt_905

well looks like i found 3 original xbox pads for 13 bucks locally. 6 analogs right? and like 20 buttons? that sounds great.
Matha Obray
13.04.2011		Now another question. For the HID-MIDI converting software...most of them can support more then one controller right?
Shonda Soulier
13.04.2011		no problem buddy. glad to help.

check out this thread for inspiration. oskars did a fantastic job on his gamepad controller.
Matha Obray
13.04.2011		I have pc but thanks for the heads up
Keren Danielewicz
13.04.2011		But remember, if you will be using Junxion (mac ox), then is going to be problem with hatswitch (up, down, left, right). Search for a post in this community "Hatswitch mapping".
Matha Obray
13.04.2011		^^Seriously? I can use those?? omg dude i love u. lol thanks for the straight answer!
Shonda Soulier
13.04.2011
Originally Posted by BennyJ
yeah 16 buttons at least 4 analog
oh that's no problem. you need one with two joysticks (two faders per joystick) and 16 buttons which most of them have nowadays.



there are 16 on this one. up, down, left, right; 1, 2, 3, 4; start, select; R1, R2; L1, L2; and one under each joystick.

google or ebay dual shock usb gampad and you'll find what you're looking for. many for less than $10.
Matha Obray
13.04.2011		yeah 16 buttons at least 4 analog
Shonda Soulier
13.04.2011		do you have any idea how many buttons and faders you need? that can go a long way in determining which gamepad to choose.
Matha Obray
13.04.2011		or maybe this since it has a usb and its for the xbox

http://cgi.ebay.com/Black-DualShock-...ht_2041wt_1139
Matha Obray
13.04.2011		yes true but there doesnt seem to be like a good recognized one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-2-0-GAMEPAD-...item19c428997f

could i use this?
Shonda Soulier
13.04.2011
Originally Posted by BennyJ
im wondering if a gamepad is worth the trouble really.
it's just a cheap brain. that's why they're so popular with modders. one can achieve the same result with many different brains, though.

i'm considering gamepads for the button pads because i'm intimidated by arduino.
Matha Obray
13.04.2011		im wondering if a gamepad is worth the trouble really.
Maryanne Weatherill
13.04.2011		Blew my xbox pcb last week GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Shay Wyche
13.04.2011
Originally Posted by noisyshaun
Awesome! So in theory, could you connect -for example, three or four PS2 gamepad PCBs via a USB hub to have even more inputs?
That's the theory. The software conversion program is the key to doing that. Some programs allow several joysticks (Glovepie, Fergos etc.) but some only allow one (Rejoice).

I'm building something at the moment that will be using two PS2 joypads and several other components. Keep an eye out for other threads too. Everything I know about this stuff, I've picked up from the good people of this community .
Fannie Lafranca
13.04.2011
Originally Posted by Archies'bald
Most are relatively easy to follow if you know the difference between analogue (pots, faders) and digital (buttons, switches).

The thing to look out for is the pcb inside the controller. Most of the older controllers have solid pcb's inside them, but some of the newer ones have flexible pcb's which are useless for soldering on to. The only way of finding this out is to either open the unit up or get one on a recommendation of one from someone else.
Awesome! So in theory, could you connect -for example, three or four PS2 gamepad PCBs via a USB hub to have even more inputs?
Shay Wyche
13.04.2011
Originally Posted by noisyshaun
On this subject, I have a very Noobish question.
When you rip open the gamepad- is it easy to follow where the connections onto the PCBs for the Analog pots/faders and Buttons should connect to?
Most are relatively easy to follow if you know the difference between analogue (pots, faders) and digital (buttons, switches).

The thing to look out for is the pcb inside the controller. Most of the older controllers have solid pcb's inside them, but some of the newer ones have flexible pcb's which are useless for soldering on to. The only way of finding this out is to either open the unit up or get one on a recommendation of one from someone else.

I've never used the XBox ones, but a lot of people have had a lot of success with them.
Matha Obray
13.04.2011		ah ok makes sense. are there any other gamepads that could work?
Arcelia Siebeneck
13.04.2011		yes and no... the cable is already usb; it's just the connector that's different.

all you need to do is chop the connector off and replace it with a standard male usb connector. I did it without even any soldering... just wrapped the 4 or so wires round each other then used electrical tape to keep it together.

if you're using more than one xbox pad you can solder the additional pads directly to the first xbox pads' internal usb hub which would be quite a neat solution.
Fannie Lafranca
13.04.2011
Originally Posted by Archies'bald
I've used two Playstation2 controllers with this USB adaptor. From one usb yo get 20 odd buttons and 8 analogues.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-2-x-PS-2-C...item19c4aa2272
On this subject, I have a very Noobish question.
When you rip open the gamepad- is it easy to follow where the connections onto the PCBs for the Analog pots/faders and Buttons should connect to?
Matha Obray
12.04.2011		but for the xbox pads dont u have to change the cord to usb?
Arcelia Siebeneck
12.04.2011		xbox 1 pads are also a good choice... you get 6 analogues per pad plus a built in usb hub so you can daisy chain them together.
Shay Wyche
12.04.2011		I've used two Playstation2 controllers with this USB adaptor. From one usb yo get 20 odd buttons and 8 analogues.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-2-x-PS-2-C...item19c4aa2272

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