Cdj?? hey all im going to get off the vinyl and start running some CDJs. I am going to be using it with SL4. I dont know much about any models in specific so if you guys can recommend any to me that would be great. Thanks
P.S not looking to get killed on the price lol |
Cassie Sangermano
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
You still need to have a Wifi router set up, which is fine for home use but is just an inconvenience otherwise. If anything goes wrong with the SC2900's wifi settings (which will happen, Wifi is completely unreliable) you'll need a computer connected to fix them.
Once you've set the router up, there is a very small chance of the wireless going wrong. I've gigged for about 3 months with a set of SC2900's and a router now, and not once has the wireless connection failed on me. And even if the wireless goes down, unless the whole router fails then the music will keep going and you can still control everything from the decks, just won't have the iPad display. |
Nancey Inderlied
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by robdquick
You don't need a computer to use the iPad, it just shows you what's on your USB sticks. And you can still get a pair of SC2900's AND an iPad for near enough the same price as a CDJ2000. And the screen isn't that bad, more than suitable enough for scrolling through tracks. But yes, the waverform is nowhere near as good as the 2000, and this isn't made up by the iPad (they don't show the waveform on the iPad, but apparently its a work in progress).
I agree with you on the other points though.
2000's are kicking ~$1300 a deck right now, with SC2900's going for about a grand a deck new (and scarce used). Add in the cost and inconvenience of setting up a wireless router and buying and using and iPad, and you're getting a lot more out of the used 2000's route really. |
Alphonso Deitchman
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by robdquick
You don't need a computer to use the iPad, it just shows you what's on your USB sticks.
You still need to have a Wifi router set up, which is fine for home use but is just an inconvenience otherwise. If anything goes wrong with the SC2900's wifi settings (which will happen, Wifi is completely unreliable) you'll need a computer connected to fix them.
Originally Posted by robdquick
And you can still get a pair of SC2900's AND an iPad for near enough the same price as a CDJ2000.
The CDJ2000 Mk1 has been discontinued for quite a while now and has been replaced by the Nexus as I'm sure you know. Noone in their right mind would buy a pair of brand new Mk1s when you can get the Nexus for the same price.
On the used market the 2000 Mk1s are maybe 10-15% more expensive than the SC2900s, which are next to impossible to find second hand themselves. |
Cassie Sangermano
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
The 2000s aren't exactly on the market now as they've been replaced by the Nexus at the same price; you can easily get used 2000s for half the retail price or less. Finding a used Denon model is much more difficult. I did look yesterday for the SC2900 but didn't find a single one.
Requiring and Ipad does not make up for that terrible screen that belongs on a Gemini and the screen is a huge plus on the 2000. They're hardly "half the price" anymore if you need a computer to get comparable performance are they?
Another thing I really like about the 2000s is the SD card slot that lets you effectively have 32GB of internal storage in addition to the external USB slot. Also HID integration on the 2000s with Traktor, Serato, Cross etc is much better than the MIDI connection mode of the SC2900.
You don't need a computer to use the iPad, it just shows you what's on your USB sticks. And you can still get a pair of SC2900's AND an iPad for near enough the same price as a CDJ2000. And the screen isn't that bad, more than suitable enough for scrolling through tracks. But yes, the waverform is nowhere near as good as the 2000, and this isn't made up by the iPad (they don't show the waveform on the iPad, but apparently its a work in progress).
I agree with you on the other points though. |
Nancey Inderlied
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by djproben
Screen? I thought these things played CDs?
And also that whole flash memory thing thats been in the scene for about 7 years now. Not saying CDs arent still in use, but if youre not using a huge flash drive with a modern player, you're kinda missing out. Denon keep shooting themselves in the foot with those horrific screens, even the 4 line dot matrix panel used for browsing on the CDJ-900 kicks the SC-X900 players to the ground.
Originally Posted by Steve Zorilow
Because they *have* a deal with Serato perhaps? Now their controllers ship with Serato... it says long.
If Pioneer decide to not says how their HID implementation is working, NI can't and are not going to guess how it works. Same goes for Scratch Certification, ... and Serato "approved" controller list.
HID is not a generic thingy like MIDI, Usb Mouse/keyboard, and all other generic devices.
They also make something like 4 pieces of Traktor certified hardware, vs two controllers that currently use Serato's entry level software... HID integration is purely in NI's court. |
Danae Dumler
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Requiring and Ipad does not make up for that terrible screen that belongs on a Gemini and the screen is a huge plus on the 2000.
Screen? I thought these things played CDs? |
Carlee Pickard
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Why would HID work with Serato and not Traktor if it's on Pioneer's end? And why would they neglect an already working feature on their own product?
That's a good point. |
Alphonso Deitchman
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Coldfuzion
I believe this one's on Pioneers end my friend.
Why would HID work with Serato and not Traktor if it's on Pioneer's end? And why would they neglect an already working feature on their own product? |
Carlee Pickard
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
NI tend to develop on things that will sell, and chances are you won't see 850s in clubs anytime soon.
I believe this one's on Pioneers end my friend. It won't change anything for anyone else. And I truly believe the 850's were put in place to simply sell for Pioneer. |
Carlee Pickard
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by hellnegative
My all time favorite CDJ is the Pioneer cdj850k. Its lightweight, does the job, and pretty strong. A party goer spilled their beer on one during my last gig and the thing kept playing like nothing happened and worked all weekend at the club.
So I have a pair of CDJ-850-K's and man, I really like them, but the small size of the screen / the waveform display is so annoyingly small. I know "you get what you pay for" but I wish since Pioneer has such a high price tag due to the name - they could at least help in this area. Also how the fuck don't we have HID for Traktor? Granted I never use Traktor to DJ anymore since I got my 850 setup, but Jesus Christ, the 850 is supposed to be the "Pro-series Design" - which is essentially their intro into the "professional" line. Why don't they just do a firmware update? It's such BULLSHIT. I believe they can easily do it. Extremely annoying just to not have the option there if you want, especially since they DJM-850-K is Traktor Certified. |
Alphonso Deitchman
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by DjEddieBlanco
So today i went to go pick up denon sc2900 and they had no more in stock so i actually ended up getting the denon 3900s. I hope i didnt make the wrong decision .. I took them out of the box qnd played with them a little and i deff like them so far. Ive never owned anything denon but no complaints so far. To be honest i still cant even find out what the difference is between the 2 tables
The SC3900s are great, they have moving vinyl platters whereas the SC2900 has stationary plastic ones. They aren't really that expensive considering what you get from them.
They use a hybrid connection mode combining timecode through the SL box and MIDI through USB.
Here's a setup guide:
|
Doreen Schurle
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by DjEddieBlanco
So today i went to go pick up denon sc2900 and they had no more in stock so i actually ended up getting the denon 3900s. I hope i didnt make the wrong decision .. I took them out of the box qnd played with them a little and i deff like them so far. Ive never owned anything denon but no complaints so far. To be honest i still cant even find out what the difference is between the 2 tables
Good man Stupidly expensive, but AWESOME decks.
Moving platters > * |
Danae Dumler
14.03.2013 | Seriously, who cares how good the waveform is on the screen? I agree it's nice to have a nice one but is it worth the 500-1000 dollar markup? As long as the screen acceptably shows you your list of songs, it's doing what it needs to. I'm still trying to find the screen on my turntables, yet they seem to work just fine. Seriously, if you want to look at waveforms, get a computer with Traktor or Serato anyway. |
Cassie Sangermano
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
You still need to have a Wifi router set up, which is fine for home use but is just an inconvenience otherwise. If anything goes wrong with the SC2900's wifi settings (which will happen, Wifi is completely unreliable) you'll need a computer connected to fix them.
Once you've set the router up, there is a very small chance of the wireless going wrong. I've gigged for about 3 months with a set of SC2900's and a router now, and not once has the wireless connection failed on me. And even if the wireless goes down, unless the whole router fails then the music will keep going and you can still control everything from the decks, just won't have the iPad display. |
Nancey Inderlied
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by robdquick
You don't need a computer to use the iPad, it just shows you what's on your USB sticks. And you can still get a pair of SC2900's AND an iPad for near enough the same price as a CDJ2000. And the screen isn't that bad, more than suitable enough for scrolling through tracks. But yes, the waverform is nowhere near as good as the 2000, and this isn't made up by the iPad (they don't show the waveform on the iPad, but apparently its a work in progress).
I agree with you on the other points though.
2000's are kicking ~$1300 a deck right now, with SC2900's going for about a grand a deck new (and scarce used). Add in the cost and inconvenience of setting up a wireless router and buying and using and iPad, and you're getting a lot more out of the used 2000's route really. |
Alphonso Deitchman
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by robdquick
You don't need a computer to use the iPad, it just shows you what's on your USB sticks.
You still need to have a Wifi router set up, which is fine for home use but is just an inconvenience otherwise. If anything goes wrong with the SC2900's wifi settings (which will happen, Wifi is completely unreliable) you'll need a computer connected to fix them.
Originally Posted by robdquick
And you can still get a pair of SC2900's AND an iPad for near enough the same price as a CDJ2000.
The CDJ2000 Mk1 has been discontinued for quite a while now and has been replaced by the Nexus as I'm sure you know. Noone in their right mind would buy a pair of brand new Mk1s when you can get the Nexus for the same price.
On the used market the 2000 Mk1s are maybe 10-15% more expensive than the SC2900s, which are next to impossible to find second hand themselves. |
Cassie Sangermano
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
The 2000s aren't exactly on the market now as they've been replaced by the Nexus at the same price; you can easily get used 2000s for half the retail price or less. Finding a used Denon model is much more difficult. I did look yesterday for the SC2900 but didn't find a single one.
Requiring and Ipad does not make up for that terrible screen that belongs on a Gemini and the screen is a huge plus on the 2000. They're hardly "half the price" anymore if you need a computer to get comparable performance are they?
Another thing I really like about the 2000s is the SD card slot that lets you effectively have 32GB of internal storage in addition to the external USB slot. Also HID integration on the 2000s with Traktor, Serato, Cross etc is much better than the MIDI connection mode of the SC2900.
You don't need a computer to use the iPad, it just shows you what's on your USB sticks. And you can still get a pair of SC2900's AND an iPad for near enough the same price as a CDJ2000. And the screen isn't that bad, more than suitable enough for scrolling through tracks. But yes, the waverform is nowhere near as good as the 2000, and this isn't made up by the iPad (they don't show the waveform on the iPad, but apparently its a work in progress).
I agree with you on the other points though. |
Nancey Inderlied
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by djproben
Screen? I thought these things played CDs?
And also that whole flash memory thing thats been in the scene for about 7 years now. Not saying CDs arent still in use, but if youre not using a huge flash drive with a modern player, you're kinda missing out. Denon keep shooting themselves in the foot with those horrific screens, even the 4 line dot matrix panel used for browsing on the CDJ-900 kicks the SC-X900 players to the ground.
Originally Posted by Steve Zorilow
Because they *have* a deal with Serato perhaps? Now their controllers ship with Serato... it says long.
If Pioneer decide to not says how their HID implementation is working, NI can't and are not going to guess how it works. Same goes for Scratch Certification, ... and Serato "approved" controller list.
HID is not a generic thingy like MIDI, Usb Mouse/keyboard, and all other generic devices.
They also make something like 4 pieces of Traktor certified hardware, vs two controllers that currently use Serato's entry level software... HID integration is purely in NI's court. |
Danae Dumler
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Requiring and Ipad does not make up for that terrible screen that belongs on a Gemini and the screen is a huge plus on the 2000.
Screen? I thought these things played CDs? |
Carlee Pickard
14.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
Why would HID work with Serato and not Traktor if it's on Pioneer's end? And why would they neglect an already working feature on their own product?
That's a good point. |
Lisa Lochotzki
14.03.2013 | Because they *have* a deal with Serato perhaps? Now their controllers ship with Serato... it says long.
If Pioneer decide to not says how their HID implementation is working, NI can't and are not going to guess how it works. Same goes for Scratch Certification, ... and Serato "approved" controller list.
HID is not a generic thingy like MIDI, Usb Mouse/keyboard, and all other generic devices. |
Alphonso Deitchman
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Coldfuzion
I believe this one's on Pioneers end my friend.
Why would HID work with Serato and not Traktor if it's on Pioneer's end? And why would they neglect an already working feature on their own product? |
Carlee Pickard
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
NI tend to develop on things that will sell, and chances are you won't see 850s in clubs anytime soon.
I believe this one's on Pioneers end my friend. It won't change anything for anyone else. And I truly believe the 850's were put in place to simply sell for Pioneer. |
Alphonso Deitchman
13.03.2013 | NI tend to develop on things that will sell, and chances are you won't see 850s in clubs anytime soon. |
Carlee Pickard
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by hellnegative
My all time favorite CDJ is the Pioneer cdj850k. Its lightweight, does the job, and pretty strong. A party goer spilled their beer on one during my last gig and the thing kept playing like nothing happened and worked all weekend at the club.
So I have a pair of CDJ-850-K's and man, I really like them, but the small size of the screen / the waveform display is so annoyingly small. I know "you get what you pay for" but I wish since Pioneer has such a high price tag due to the name - they could at least help in this area. Also how the fuck don't we have HID for Traktor? Granted I never use Traktor to DJ anymore since I got my 850 setup, but Jesus Christ, the 850 is supposed to be the "Pro-series Design" - which is essentially their intro into the "professional" line. Why don't they just do a firmware update? It's such BULLSHIT. I believe they can easily do it. Extremely annoying just to not have the option there if you want, especially since they DJM-850-K is Traktor Certified. |
Alphonso Deitchman
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by DjEddieBlanco
So today i went to go pick up denon sc2900 and they had no more in stock so i actually ended up getting the denon 3900s. I hope i didnt make the wrong decision .. I took them out of the box qnd played with them a little and i deff like them so far. Ive never owned anything denon but no complaints so far. To be honest i still cant even find out what the difference is between the 2 tables
The SC3900s are great, they have moving vinyl platters whereas the SC2900 has stationary plastic ones. They aren't really that expensive considering what you get from them.
They use a hybrid connection mode combining timecode through the SL box and MIDI through USB.
Here's a setup guide:
|
Doreen Schurle
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by DjEddieBlanco
So today i went to go pick up denon sc2900 and they had no more in stock so i actually ended up getting the denon 3900s. I hope i didnt make the wrong decision .. I took them out of the box qnd played with them a little and i deff like them so far. Ive never owned anything denon but no complaints so far. To be honest i still cant even find out what the difference is between the 2 tables
Good man Stupidly expensive, but AWESOME decks.
Moving platters > * |
Millie Deforest
13.03.2013 | So today i went to go pick up denon sc2900 and they had no more in stock so i actually ended up getting the denon 3900s. I hope i didnt make the wrong decision .. I took them out of the box qnd played with them a little and i deff like them so far. Ive never owned anything denon but no complaints so far. To be honest i still cant even find out what the difference is between the 2 tables |
Jerica Salava
13.03.2013 | ..... the Walkman ... what? Oh yeah Apple made an iPod thing.
Watch out Pioneer.
> |
Merlyn Birchfield
13.03.2013 | Kleenex, Coke, Q-Tip, Band-Aid... it's gotta be awesome to be able to nail your product down in the industry so well that you're the common name. |
Jerica Salava
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by hellnegative
Ill be honest with you about CDJ's for a minute.
THe techs are nice. Amazing setup. Heavy. But fun. Every pair Ive been around has stood the test of time.
Pioneer are industry standard. Buy new. DO NOT BUY USED. Unless the original owner was OCD about their gear
. THey have drive issues.
Denon's are great for a cheap option. Every pair Ive seen more than 3 years old has at least one thing wrong with them. The platters warp. The buttons are cheaply made.
Stear clear of anything CDJ from Vestax, American DJ, or Gemini.
DJTech makes a solid CDJ for a lower end price. Ive never come across a pair with more than scratches on them.
My all time favorite CDJ is the Pioneer cdj850k. Its lightweight, does the job, and pretty strong. A party goer spilled their beer on one during my last gig and the thing kept playing like nothing happened and worked all weekend at the club.
I believe it's funny we call them CDJ's (Compact Disc Jockey) stupid name coined by Pioneer.
DT (Digital Turntable) is what I thought would have played out.
> |
Emelina Chillson
13.03.2013 | Ill be honest with you about CDJ's for a minute.
THe techs are nice. Amazing setup. Heavy. But fun. Every pair Ive been around has stood the test of time.
Pioneer are industry standard. Buy new. DO NOT BUY USED. Unless the original owner was OCD about their gear
. THey have drive issues.
Denon's are great for a cheap option. Every pair Ive seen more than 3 years old has at least one thing wrong with them. The platters warp. The buttons are cheaply made.
Stear clear of anything CDJ from Vestax, American DJ, or Gemini.
DJTech makes a solid CDJ for a lower end price. Ive never come across a pair with more than scratches on them.
My all time favorite CDJ is the Pioneer cdj850k. Its lightweight, does the job, and pretty strong. A party goer spilled their beer on one during my last gig and the thing kept playing like nothing happened and worked all weekend at the club. |
Jerica Salava
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by balakoth
Once they learn how to write firmware, maybe they will. I owned one of those, and quickly got rid of it 2 months later.... worst purchase ive ever made (Technic CDJ)
Firmware can be fixed. Sexiness you're born with.
> |
Alphonso Deitchman
13.03.2013 | The 2000s aren't exactly on the market now as they've been replaced by the Nexus at the same price; you can easily get used 2000s for half the retail price or less. Finding a used Denon model is much more difficult. I did look yesterday for the SC2900 but didn't find a single one.
Requiring and Ipad does not make up for that terrible screen that belongs on a Gemini and the screen is a huge plus on the 2000. They're hardly "half the price" anymore if you need a computer to get comparable performance are they?
Another thing I really like about the 2000s is the SD card slot that lets you effectively have 32GB of internal storage in addition to the external USB slot. Also HID integration on the 2000s with Traktor, Serato, Cross etc is much better than the MIDI connection mode of the SC2900. |
Cassie Sangermano
13.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by makar1
The SC2900 looks more like a good alternative to the CDJ900, which isn't massively more expensive.
I would say the SC2900 is directly comparable with the 2000's, apart from one area: the screen. Everything else on the SC2900 is as good if not better than the 2000's, and the screen issue can be overcome by using an iPad, or a connected laptop. And they're half the price of the 2000's! |
Alphonso Deitchman
13.03.2013 | The SC2900 looks more like a good alternative to the CDJ900, which isn't massively more expensive. |
Danae Dumler
13.03.2013 | Take a look at the Denons; I've heard good things about their software in comparison to rekordbox, and the DN-SC2900 looks easily as good as the Pio CDJ-2000 at less than half the price. And you can get into the game a lot cheaper with the DN-S700 which looks pretty damn good for $250. I trust Denon build quality more than Pioneer (though to be honest nearly all DJ CD players feel flimsy to me) and the price difference is incredible. |
Yevette Matatall
13.03.2013 | Cdj850 |
Shawn Vanhaitsma
12.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by loverocket
Technics should have stayed in the game. This thing was sexier and had better build quality than the Pioneer CDJ-1000.
Once they learn how to write firmware, maybe they will. I owned one of those, and quickly got rid of it 2 months later.... worst purchase ive ever made (Technic CDJ) |
Doreen Schurle
12.03.2013 | Only 10 inches though
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