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Posted on: 09.08.2010 by Yon Gigler
I've got a Xone DX and I'm running Traktor on internal mode.

I had a quick play about last evening with itch just to see how it compares with Traktor Pro. Anyway I noticed that some of the effects in itch such as the echo are set in a way when you kill the fader the echo fades out. I've tried to do this in Traktor but because the effect is selected to one of the channels as soon as I kill the fader everything stops. I used to do this effect on my DJM800 and would really like it back. Does anyone know how to recreate this in Traktor. If you understand what I'm getting at.
Chasidy Heckenbach
06.04.2012
Originally Posted by ThePattern
You're right, that should fix it. Also holy shit, midimasher is some craziness, I'm not sure I'm ready!
true it is quite a different way of working but adds in complete flexibility too... i only posted that code snippet tho to show what u need to map to make it happen - and so long as you leave your line fader at 100% when u engage the post fader fx mode then u can just set the drywet to 50% (i believe)

searching for the old thread i was believeing of before and i believe tdmusic was the first to mention the same idea there. DJ MiCL went into a lot more detail tho and even made a really cool tutorial video that explains how to map it all in traktor - worth watching: http://community .djranking s.com/showthr...l=1#post379546

he takes u thru the whole process, basically u assign a toggle button to switch between normal mode and post fader fx mode. pretty neat...
Chasidy Heckenbach
06.04.2012
Originally Posted by ThePattern
Word, I know about freezing... I guess what I want to do is a little different. I want to have the wet dry knob work differently: I want it to be controlling how much of the real track is being "put into" the delay effect, rather than controlling the mix between the output of the delay effect and the actual track.

So like, I want to turn up this knob more and more of the track is "sent" to the delay. Then I want to turn down the knob, and the delay is still playing but no more stuff is being added to it. The track itself also continues playing. So basically I want to do a freeze, but with the track still playing.

If someone can tell me how to do that I'd be *really* happy.
won't the suggestion from tdmusic basically get u that? there was a thread here a while ago discussing how to emulate post fader fx and that's the way i do it. using the gater to control the volume of the track (with the actual volume fader at max) means that even when the gator has cut off the track any previous input to the next effects unit will continue to bleed out and degrade as opposed to just cutting off.

this is my midimasher code that enabled the post fader by getting the current channel volume, setting up the gater to the appropriate level, then setting the channel volume to max. then u use the dry/wet of the "next" effects unit (2 if using 1 for the post fader effect) to do what u want it to. i believe?

Code:
		local vol = get("traktor", "volume_fader_a")

		traktor.fx_control{
			unit = 1,
			mode = "single",
			fx = "Gater",
			param1 = ON,
			button1 = ON,
			button2 = OFF,
			drywet = 127 - math.floor(vol/2),
			active = ON,
			deck_a = ON
		}

		send("traktor", "volume_fader_a", 127)
i know the code is a bit geektastic but shows what i do to setup post fader effects. can also be fun then turning the fader into dry/wet for effects unit 2 for "fader fx" but you'd want to have control over the gator level.
Julieta Cucinotta
04.04.2012
Originally Posted by coupon
check out
Word, I know about freezing... I guess what I want to do is a little different. I want to have the wet dry knob work differently: I want it to be controlling how much of the real track is being "put into" the delay effect, rather than controlling the mix between the output of the delay effect and the actual track.

So like, I want to turn up this knob more and more of the track is "sent" to the delay. Then I want to turn down the knob, and the delay is still playing but no more stuff is being added to it. The track itself also continues playing. So basically I want to do a freeze, but with the track still playing.

If someone can tell me how to do that I'd be *really* happy.
Annalisa Shogren
23.08.2010
Originally Posted by jdog667jkt
How do you change an effect box into an advanced effect box? I'm not quite sure how to do it
In the top right hand corner of Traktor Pro click on the cog icon which goes to settings then go to effects, under where it says FX panel mode, change FX1 to advanced. FX2, FX3, and FX4 and other decks such as B,C, and D.
Jaleesa Zheng
07.04.2012		Nice i thought traktor pro 2 didn't have the echo effect. I could never find out how to use it.

This thread is very helpful

+1
Chasidy Heckenbach
06.04.2012
Originally Posted by ThePattern
You're right, that should fix it. Also holy shit, midimasher is some craziness, I'm not sure I'm ready!
true it is quite a different way of working but adds in complete flexibility too... i only posted that code snippet tho to show what u need to map to make it happen - and so long as you leave your line fader at 100% when u engage the post fader fx mode then u can just set the drywet to 50% (i believe)

searching for the old thread i was believeing of before and i believe tdmusic was the first to mention the same idea there. DJ MiCL went into a lot more detail tho and even made a really cool tutorial video that explains how to map it all in traktor - worth watching: http://community .djranking s.com/showthr...l=1#post379546

he takes u thru the whole process, basically u assign a toggle button to switch between normal mode and post fader fx mode. pretty neat...
Julieta Cucinotta
06.04.2012		You're right, that should fix it. Also holy shit, midimasher is some craziness, I'm not sure I'm ready!
Chasidy Heckenbach
06.04.2012
Originally Posted by ThePattern
Word, I know about freezing... I guess what I want to do is a little different. I want to have the wet dry knob work differently: I want it to be controlling how much of the real track is being "put into" the delay effect, rather than controlling the mix between the output of the delay effect and the actual track.

So like, I want to turn up this knob more and more of the track is "sent" to the delay. Then I want to turn down the knob, and the delay is still playing but no more stuff is being added to it. The track itself also continues playing. So basically I want to do a freeze, but with the track still playing.

If someone can tell me how to do that I'd be *really* happy.
won't the suggestion from tdmusic basically get u that? there was a thread here a while ago discussing how to emulate post fader fx and that's the way i do it. using the gater to control the volume of the track (with the actual volume fader at max) means that even when the gator has cut off the track any previous input to the next effects unit will continue to bleed out and degrade as opposed to just cutting off.

this is my midimasher code that enabled the post fader by getting the current channel volume, setting up the gater to the appropriate level, then setting the channel volume to max. then u use the dry/wet of the "next" effects unit (2 if using 1 for the post fader effect) to do what u want it to. i believe?

Code:
		local vol = get("traktor", "volume_fader_a")

		traktor.fx_control{
			unit = 1,
			mode = "single",
			fx = "Gater",
			param1 = ON,
			button1 = ON,
			button2 = OFF,
			drywet = 127 - math.floor(vol/2),
			active = ON,
			deck_a = ON
		}

		send("traktor", "volume_fader_a", 127)
i know the code is a bit geektastic but shows what i do to setup post fader effects. can also be fun then turning the fader into dry/wet for effects unit 2 for "fader fx" but you'd want to have control over the gator level.
Julieta Cucinotta
04.04.2012
Originally Posted by coupon
check out
Word, I know about freezing... I guess what I want to do is a little different. I want to have the wet dry knob work differently: I want it to be controlling how much of the real track is being "put into" the delay effect, rather than controlling the mix between the output of the delay effect and the actual track.

So like, I want to turn up this knob more and more of the track is "sent" to the delay. Then I want to turn down the knob, and the delay is still playing but no more stuff is being added to it. The track itself also continues playing. So basically I want to do a freeze, but with the track still playing.

If someone can tell me how to do that I'd be *really* happy.
Ashlea Retzlaff
04.04.2012		check out
Julieta Cucinotta
04.04.2012		Sucks you can only do it in external mode
Branden Wentler
23.08.2010		Or you can assign a midi input via controller to toggle states. Think it's Add In>Global>FX Panel mode
Annalisa Shogren
23.08.2010
Originally Posted by jdog667jkt
How do you change an effect box into an advanced effect box? I'm not quite sure how to do it
In the top right hand corner of Traktor Pro click on the cog icon which goes to settings then go to effects, under where it says FX panel mode, change FX1 to advanced. FX2, FX3, and FX4 and other decks such as B,C, and D.
Leonarda Javorek
23.08.2010		How do you change an effect box into an advanced effect box? I'm not quite sure how to do it
Annalisa Shogren
23.08.2010		http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skSWusRx5Rg
Very simple
Reece Murray
10.08.2010		The behavior you are looking for has to do with insert vs. send effects. Traktor Pro did not remove the functionality you want, it's just only available when you're using the delay effect as a "send" effect. AFAIK send fx are only available in external mode, so you need an outboard mixer (and some cables) to make it work. The theory behind it - as was already mentioned - is that when fx are in insert mode, they are in-line with and affected by the position of the channel faders/cross fader. When they are in send mode, the wet return signal is not choked by the faders. Think of it as a totally separate sound stream. In that case, when you close the fader, you just shut off the signal being fed to the fx unit, but you are not cutting off the delay tail.
Yon Gigler
10.08.2010
Originally Posted by Dynamics

On a side note, I used to be able to do it with regular Delay but now when I stop the song, it also stops the delay. Just wondering if anyone can replicate that.
That how I use it at the moment. Stop the track and the delay keeps going till faded out.

Haven't had a chance to try these methods out yet but hopefully get on it toevening
Alexandra Nerby
09.08.2010		I'm trying to grasp this as well. What to you mean by Effect off, Noise = 0, Mute on?

Effect off is self-explanatory, but what do you mean by the rest?
Clelia Braccini
09.08.2010		That gater one sounds pretty cool and inventive. Also the "Freeze" button that dsharps is talking about is the simplest way to achieve that.

The way I used to do it before they added 2 more effects channels is to use the T3 Delay (as I would have all my effects chained) and just stop the song playing.

On a side note, I used to be able to do it with regular Delay but now when I stop the song, it also stops the delay. Just wondering if anyone can replicate that.
Soledad Kipke
09.08.2010		Are you looking for Echo Freeze? Just make an advanced FX unit and throw delay in there, then click the second button (next to "feedback"). It mutes the track and echoes until it fades out.
Yon Gigler
09.08.2010		Thats exactly what I was trying to get at. Thanks very much for the reply. It all makes sense. Such as shame they have removed this feature or least give us the option as you said.

When I get home toevening I'll give it a go. I never thought of trying this as I thought the gater would also cut the after effect. Thanks again.
Maybell Corb
09.08.2010		(What is quite fun is that you can automate the cutting in/out using the Gater, if you disable mute and play around with the rate and shape parameters )
Maybell Corb
09.08.2010
Originally Posted by hesitant
The only problem with that is you can still hear the track even with the dry/wet knob at full.

I'll try and describe it better. Assign the echo to whatever channel with the track playing. If you had the effect at full and paused the track all you would hear it the echo fading out over how ever long you have assinged it to such as 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 etc. What I want to do is have the same effect but still keep the track playing in the background so the only way I know of doing this from my DJM mixer days is to leave the track playing, kill the fader then all you will hear is the echo fading out and at then bring the fader back up to hear the track again. Make sense?
I know exactly what you're trying to do - it used to be possible on Traktor 3 with master channel effects.

The issue is that the effects are applied pre-fader, so the delay is added to the input signal, and then it goes through the mixer section. This means cutting the volume also cuts the volume of the effect. I assume that on Itch/DJM/etc., the effects are applied post-fader, so they carry on. I assume either approach has its advantages and disadvantages (without believeing about it in any detail) - it'd be nice to be able to choose which to use in Traktor!

The only workaround I can believe of for you is to have it set up as following:

Effect 1: Gater, Effect off, Noise = 0, Mute on
Effect 2: Delay (set up as desired)

(You can use any two effects slots if you have 4 FX units enabled as long as the gater comes first and the delay second, as FX are processed in parallel)

Your track should have both effect 1 and effect 2 enabled.

Now you can play your track as normal, turn on the delay, and then when you want to cut the track out, turn on the gater. To bring the track back in, you turn off the gater and delay. What's happening here is that the gater, with those settings, produces no sound at all, so when you turn the gater on, the input to the delay effect is silence and so it echoes out.

This might seem a bit of a pain in the arse as it takes up two effects slots, but you can make life easier by assigning a button (or key) to several actions at once - so pressing one button could set effect 1 to gater, effect 2 to delay and set the current track to go to both effects units.

Hope this helps - I'm glad to have worked it out myself!
Yon Gigler
09.08.2010		The only problem with that is you can still hear the track even with the dry/wet knob at full.

I'll try and describe it better. Assign the echo to whatever channel with the track playing. If you had the effect at full and paused the track all you would hear it the echo fading out over how ever long you have assinged it to such as 1/8, 1/16, 1/32 etc. What I want to do is have the same effect but still keep the track playing in the background so the only way I know of doing this from my DJM mixer days is to leave the track playing, kill the fader then all you will hear is the echo fading out and at then bring the fader back up to hear the track again. Make sense?
Patty Mcgilbra
09.08.2010		not sure if i understand you but wouldnt turning the dry/wet slowly to dry get the effect you're looking for? that way the track should come back from under the echo and the echo fades out slowly?

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