Behringer DJX900USB or reloop rmx 40 DSP Blackfire 4 kanaals mixer?

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Behringer DJX900USB or reloop rmx 40 DSP Blackfire 4 kanaals mixer?
Posted on: 06.07.2012 by Charlyn Molera
I'm looking for a professionnal 4 channel mixer.

I came on the Behringer DJX900USB and the reloop rmx 40 DSP Blackfire 4 channel mixer.

the Behringer has a frequency response of 10-40.000 Hz, the reloop 20-20.000 Hz. Yeah I know, your reaction will be like: you dont hear 10-20 hz and above 20.000 Hz. Yeah i know, but I believe the bass is richer and you can feel the bass then.

I just need someone who can look at the specs and can say what's the best.
That will be greatfull

links: behgringer: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...fessional.html
reloop: http://www.musicstore.com/en_EN/GBP/...DJE0002409-000


ps.: I am one of the 4 guys with the hack for the remix decks in a article on DJTECHTOOLS. If you have a question on that hack, just ask
Nancey Inderlied
10.07.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
Is there any other kind of PCB?!?
Truth. But "by China, for China" has a special level of crap in my experience. My DJM-2000 ate a beer over the right faceplate, but the PCB sealing ensured that zero fucks were given.

Originally Posted by synthet1c
the nox series was only released after the mixers they copy were superseded "xone92 djm1000, djm800" If they copied them prematurely I'd say there might be some lawyers getting involved... if that's the case you will be waiting a few years, and behringer will never make a decent copy of it anyway, it would just be a remodeled ddm4000 that looks like a db4 but similar to the ddm's internals, what's the point?
The X32 is a shameless knock on the GLD, go figure. Although I will say that though the knockoff quality is pretty annoyingly bad (good in some places, cripplingly bad in others), the A&H ones are slightly more reliable than the old ones.
Rolanda Clodfelder
10.07.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I'm actually surprised Behringer hasn't made a DB:4 copy yet. Virtually every single flagship product they have out is a knockoff of an A&H product already, maybe even the kings of feature lists just can't cram that many features into a single Chinese PCB.
Actually as far as I know the DB4 is the first A&H mixer built on a single PCB instead of individual vertical modules (believe I read that somewhere).
Kiyoko Wellisch
09.07.2012
Originally Posted by nem0nic
It's the same effects processor as the DJX750. See page 7 of the manual.
Cool, thanks

Originally Posted by Patch
That's good to know! I can't believe of anything on an update that would need developing beyond what has already been done. For me, the perfect mixer is the DDM4000, with a built in 8in-8out audio interface (I don't want much...), an FX section on every channel, and...

POST FADER FX!!!
A Behringer DB4 you say? Sounds good to me!
Arla Seniw
08.07.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
You should be able to step up to a good mixer, glance at it, and understand pretty much what everything does. Or at least all the basic functions and how to select, modulate and trigger effects.

Well... through normal use.

Not saying it's a bad mixer, anything but, just saying there's a reason why you can get all those features at such a low price.
Try that with a DB4....
Nancey Inderlied
10.07.2012
Originally Posted by Patch
Is there any other kind of PCB?!?
Truth. But "by China, for China" has a special level of crap in my experience. My DJM-2000 ate a beer over the right faceplate, but the PCB sealing ensured that zero fucks were given.

Originally Posted by synthet1c
the nox series was only released after the mixers they copy were superseded "xone92 djm1000, djm800" If they copied them prematurely I'd say there might be some lawyers getting involved... if that's the case you will be waiting a few years, and behringer will never make a decent copy of it anyway, it would just be a remodeled ddm4000 that looks like a db4 but similar to the ddm's internals, what's the point?
The X32 is a shameless knock on the GLD, go figure. Although I will say that though the knockoff quality is pretty annoyingly bad (good in some places, cripplingly bad in others), the A&H ones are slightly more reliable than the old ones.
Jonathan Chiuchiolo
10.07.2012		the nox series was only released after the mixers they copy were superseded "xone92 djm1000, djm800" If they copied them prematurely I'd say there might be some lawyers getting involved... if that's the case you will be waiting a few years, and behringer will never make a decent copy of it anyway, it would just be a remodeled ddm4000 that looks like a db4 but similar to the ddm's internals, what's the point?
Rolanda Clodfelder
10.07.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
I'm actually surprised Behringer hasn't made a DB:4 copy yet. Virtually every single flagship product they have out is a knockoff of an A&H product already, maybe even the kings of feature lists just can't cram that many features into a single Chinese PCB.
Actually as far as I know the DB4 is the first A&H mixer built on a single PCB instead of individual vertical modules (believe I read that somewhere).
Brunilda Kora
10.07.2012
Originally Posted by Shishdisma
...Chinese PCB.
Is there any other kind of PCB?!?
Nancey Inderlied
10.07.2012		I'm actually surprised Behringer hasn't made a DB:4 copy yet. Virtually every single flagship product they have out is a knockoff of an A&H product already, maybe even the kings of feature lists just can't cram that many features into a single Chinese PCB.
Kiyoko Wellisch
10.07.2012		I'll take 2! ;P
Brunilda Kora
09.07.2012
Originally Posted by popinjay
A Behringer DB4 you say?
They'd sell a million of 'em!
Kiyoko Wellisch
09.07.2012
Originally Posted by nem0nic
It's the same effects processor as the DJX750. See page 7 of the manual.
Cool, thanks

Originally Posted by Patch
That's good to know! I can't believe of anything on an update that would need developing beyond what has already been done. For me, the perfect mixer is the DDM4000, with a built in 8in-8out audio interface (I don't want much...), an FX section on every channel, and...

POST FADER FX!!!
A Behringer DB4 you say? Sounds good to me!
Brunilda Kora
09.07.2012
Originally Posted by nem0nic
It's definitely a topic of discussion in the office, though.
That's good to know! I can't believe of anything on an update that would need developing beyond what has already been done. For me, the perfect mixer is the DDM4000, with a built in 8in-8out audio interface (I don't want much...), an FX section on every channel, and...

POST FADER FX!!!

Honestly though - I look forward to future Behringer gear.
Diogo Dj Dragão
08.07.2012
btw, I was reading about the DJX900 and I couldn't find any information as to what effects it has, you wouldn't happen to know what they are, would you?
It's the same effects processor as the DJX750. See page 7 of the manual.

I don't suppose we'll see an update to the DDM4k anytime soon, which addresses some teensy issues ...
Hard to say. Personally I would love to revisit the DDM4K and change it up a bit, but given the massive move to controllers it might not be worth the development costs. It's definitely a topic of discussion in the office, though.
Rolanda Clodfelder
08.07.2012
I agree no product is perfect, but you're making subjective statements that aren't fact. The layout isn't confusing to everyone, as shown by a previous poster to this thread. The LED (the one LED) that was "blinding" was changed years ago. I'm not sure I put any faith on your personal assessment of what makes a "cheap" fader or pot. The VU meters are labeled. And buttons being "unpleasant to press" is another personal variable.
A layout is only as confused as the person who is not used to it.

IMHO though, while the Pots are certainly not "high quality" .. they don't suck either for normal home or an individuals live usage.

The amount of abuse that they can take by multiple DJ's in a real-world professional (club) setting is IMHO going to be on the low side. Plastic shafted and not bolted to the front panel - they are cheap, cheap to buy, cheap to replace, half the cost (or less) of decent metal shafted bolt on's (Akai APC), but for the target market which is individuals/mobile/live sets and not as pro-installation mixers they will work fine for many years if taken care of - I do like the feeling of "I won't break this" mind you every time I swing a pot wildly under the influence.

For the price the gear is almost disposable anyhow and one could not complain whatsoever - if you wanted to spend $40 or $50 upgrading the pots there's nothing stopping you apart from a credit card and soldering skills.

@nem0nic: I don't suppose we'll see an update to the DDM4k anytime soon, which addresses some teensy issues ...

1) The headphone Jack (I don't know one person who doesn't complain about its location)
2) USB midi - rather than needing a convertor.
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.07.2012		As you said, those things are subjective statements, not fact, I have no way of ever possibly backing them up. All I can say is that those are my opinions when it comes to this mixer and that I believe that it's a fairly common opinion judging by conversations I've had with others I have spoken to. "Personal variables" is what you are working with when trying to sell a product.

Good to hear about LED change- I guess the one my friend bought fairly recently had been sitting in a warehouse somewhere for some time as his still have them

btw, I was reading about the DJX900 and I couldn't find any information as to what effects it has, you wouldn't happen to know what they are, would you?
Diogo Dj Dragão
08.07.2012
Again, not saying it's bad...
I agree no product is perfect, but you're making subjective statements that aren't fact. The layout isn't confusing to everyone, as shown by a previous poster to this thread. The LED (the one LED) that was "blinding" was changed years ago. I'm not sure I put any faith on your personal assessment of what makes a "cheap" fader or pot. The VU meters are labeled. And buttons being "unpleasant to press" is another personal variable.

If you have measurable problems, that's one thing. But you're giving us your opinion here, and you're not even backing it up.
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.07.2012		I must admit that I would love to get lost learning how to use it
Arla Seniw
08.07.2012		Haha fair enough, each to their own. Personally for me, having to learn all the intricate details about something is where the fun lies.
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.07.2012		I very seriously believe that is one of the problems with the DB4.

I also believe you would have to be a genius to come up with a method to control all those crazy effects that your average idiot like me could find intuitive. ;P
Arla Seniw
08.07.2012
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
You should be able to step up to a good mixer, glance at it, and understand pretty much what everything does. Or at least all the basic functions and how to select, modulate and trigger effects.

Well... through normal use.

Not saying it's a bad mixer, anything but, just saying there's a reason why you can get all those features at such a low price.
Try that with a DB4....
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.07.2012		Again, not saying it's bad. It's pretty incredible what you get for the price and I'm a huge fan of behringer gear (and the fact they have their own factory city thing going on), I'm sure you guys made a lot of good decisions while making it. But you would be a fool if you said there is nothing wrong with it. Nothing is perfect, certainly not the DDM4000.

The layout is confusing, LEDs are blinding, the pots, encoders and faders all feel cheap, the vu meters are not that clear and all the buttons are rather unpleasant to press. Plenty of things that could be improved upon in future.
Diogo Dj Dragão
08.07.2012
Not saying it's a bad mixer, anything but, just saying there's a reason why you can get all those features at such a low price.
There certainly is. Owning your own factory is a good start.

But let me ask you something. Do you know what things cost inside a mixer? Do you know how to spot quality? I'm not being antagonistic here, just making a point. Would you know a paper PCB from epoxy? Would you actually know a good fader from a bad one (and be able to explain the difference)?

Here's an independent review of the DDM4000 that goes into a LOT of detail regarding what is inside the mixer...
http://community .speakerplans.com/inside...opic23217.html
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.07.2012		You should be able to step up to a good mixer, glance at it, and understand pretty much what everything does. Or at least all the basic functions and how to select, modulate and trigger effects.

Well... through normal use.

Not saying it's a bad mixer, anything but, just saying there's a reason why you can get all those features at such a low price.
Brunilda Kora
08.07.2012		It's packed with features - how intuitive do you need it to be? Like all complicated gear, it's worth the time to learn how to use it.

How do you break a mixer through normal use???
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.07.2012		It's the least intuitive layout I've ever come across. (Still, at least the knobs are laid out better than a Xone:62) ;P

If you get a rock solid mixer you'll notice the difference. It doesn't feel very nice to use and I was constantly scared that I was going to break something.
Brunilda Kora
08.07.2012		I disagree. The headphone jack is the only problem layout wise. Nothing wrong with the build either. The only issue I've had was the fader cap coming off on the x-fader - and that was easily fixed with the old piece of folded paper trick...
Kiyoko Wellisch
08.07.2012		It may as well be built out of card board and the layout is a mess. :P
Brunilda Kora
06.07.2012		What's wrong with the Behringer DDM 4000? That's a 4-channel monster!
Eloy Kiepke
06.07.2012		All i know about the DJX900 is that for some reason it's a 4 channel mixer with only a 2 channel audio interface....

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