Launchpad LED problems?? Mapped the LP to 4 decks in Traktor 2 Pro, 8 hotcues per deck, a play button per deck, beat jumps, and a couple other things, like loops activate on the scene launch buttons on the side.
Everything else (mixer/fx wise) I'm doing on a korg nanoKontrol.
Has anyone mapped a LaunchPad to Traktor? the LEDs get inverted sometimes, not sure why...
Sometimes they go away completely. I don't want to put masking tape on my buttons, that would be a shame since it has the LEDs as part of what makes the whole thing cool... And usable at evening
...
Is this some Automap stupidity? Has anyone had problems (or better luck with APC)? |
Chasidy Heckenbach
27.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by textur
installed a new version of the Novation USB drivers (v2.33)
when i was using windows 7 i had a lot of hangs when using the launchpad until i upgraded to some beta drivers. was a while ago so i guess those fixes are now in the latest non-beta version.
Now I just need to find a good mapping or maybe use Midimasher or Katapult. I wonder if Midimasher is essentially a hands off Midi driver after the initial setup, or if I have to lauch/configure it each time before I start Traktor, any experience with this?
midikatapult is very good. i used that before writing midimasher. midimasher is the same as midikatapult in as far as it needs to be started each time u run traktor. tho it should be simple enough to make it auto run on login and run some default config or something. on windows it needs to be run after the virtual midi port app tho - so probably safer to just run it by hand. it doesn't matter whether you run it before or after traktor, so long as the virtual midiports are running first - tho if u run it before traktor midimasher will get the current 'out' states from traktor automatically. on mac and linux it is able to setup it's own virtual midi ports.
if i pull my finger out and release the next version of midimasher... it'll have a much simpler config format, more like vdjscript, tho u can still use LUA for more advanced stuff. the next version basically works - but i want to make some changes to the new script syntax that would be incompatible with how it is atm, so not releasing just yet. |
Jeanelle Mcwhorter
27.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJJJ
My mappings are set with MIDI in out device specific. Still crashes.
I had the same issue with a Thinkpad T60 (Traktor Audio 6, Kontrol X1 and Launchpad, loopBe) and was about to return the Launchpad. But now I solved the problem : IIRC I first uninstalled the Novation software (Windows>System Settings>Programs, look for Novation) and then, today I unplugged all Midi devices and installed a new version of the Novation USB drivers (v2.33) and selected "Midi only device" in the installation dialog. After that I reconnected the Launchpad and let Windows finish its driver installation process. Then I reconnected all other Midi devices and started Traktor Pro. After that I had no Windows freeze any more when selecting Launchpad as Midi in and Midi out in Traktor Controller Manager. Hope this helps. Now I just need to find a good mapping or maybe use Midimasher or Katapult. I wonder if Midimasher is essentially a hands off Midi driver after the initial setup, or if I have to lauch/configure it each time before I start Traktor, any experience with this? |
Lizzie Hoesley
07.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
so u DO have the lp in and out ports selected explicitly and no other mappings loaded that are set to all ports?
afaik, because when I mapped it manually I set them all to channel 1.
The control is set to accept and send not to/from all, but specified as Launchpad (not specified as channel 1, but when I did midi learn from the LP they all came up channel 1) |
Chasidy Heckenbach
07.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by LmnLm3
it happens with or without automap and with or without katapult.
All my traktor mapping is completely from scratch and I didn't screw it up (works perfectly on OSX) I wonder if it has something to do with the USB controller?
I haven't tried to do it with no traktor output mappings (for LEDs) but I might for giggles... I'll make a new map from scratch on the laptop and see what happens - and if it works, I'll see if it crashes when I program an output to an LED... I'm not optimistic though :/
so u DO have the lp in and out ports selected explicitly and no other mappings loaded that are set to all ports? |
Chasidy Heckenbach
07.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by DJJJ
I tried running midikatapult. Same crash.
It is indeed a LED problem.
If I cut the output from traktor, then I can use it. But hard to navigate on a 8 page layout on 64 button grid (512 buttons in total) without any LED Feedback.
and u have the in and out ports set explicitly to the lp, no other tsi's sitting around using all-ports and no other devices/apps that could be affecting it somehow? shouldnt be able to connect any extra apps anyway to the lp ports if they're explicitely connected to the real lp ports.
the lp itself shouldnt be sending any data back just when it gets input over midi - but still sounds like a feedback loop |
Chasidy Heckenbach
07.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by LmnLm3
And it's not just killing my OS off the bat, but rather it waits. I can even open Traktor or Live with it, and it's fine - once it's time for some LEDs to light up, though, everything is just paralyzed. So dead it can't even create a crash report!
it just sounds like some kind of midi feedback loop to me which can very easily crash your system. had the same issue with some bad code in my own midimasher app the other week - so put in some extra code to drop events if it sees too many coming per second.
you 100% sure you have midi in/out devices set correctly? and no silly things like the all-ports option that traktor has etc? |
Kayce Mesia
06.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by LmnLm3
I uninstalled automap, and the laptop still freezes, even in Live8 now... not sure what the problem is.
I only got it for playing out, so I believe I'm going to sell it and use a mixtrack
Hmm... I might be wrong about "Ableton not requiring Automap". Although I've never experienced Ableton crashing because Automap was not running. So I'm off to do more research on this!
By the way, have you looked at your Ableton crash reports? |
Kayce Mesia
06.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by LmnLm3
Turns out that laptop is having other troubles - but it froze even when I open Live8 so idk... I'll uninstall it and see if it works now. Will report back in 20 minutes
I found that changing my anti-virus/malware from COMODO's Internet Security to Microsoft's Security Essentials made my Ableton and Traktor stop crashing/freezing. |
Lavenia Bencze
06.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by LmnLm3
I didn't know you could use it without automap!
UNINTSTALLING!
I wonder if Automap is what killed my windows.... (win7 32bit on the laptop and whenever traktor, live, or automap opens (and the LEDs light up) the whole system crashes - mouse freezes, have to hard reset.... pita)
Did you resolve the freeze thing?
Mine freezes (whole computer) when I open Traktor, but I run Ableton without any flaws. |
Lizzie Hoesley
06.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by Onimode
Ableton doesn't use Automap at all.
This is fantastic to learn, thank you! Now I can uninstall it! (I have simply been not running it, but sometimes it jumps up at me when I least expect it to) |
Chasidy Heckenbach
27.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by textur
installed a new version of the Novation USB drivers (v2.33)
when i was using windows 7 i had a lot of hangs when using the launchpad until i upgraded to some beta drivers. was a while ago so i guess those fixes are now in the latest non-beta version.
Now I just need to find a good mapping or maybe use Midimasher or Katapult. I wonder if Midimasher is essentially a hands off Midi driver after the initial setup, or if I have to lauch/configure it each time before I start Traktor, any experience with this?
midikatapult is very good. i used that before writing midimasher. midimasher is the same as midikatapult in as far as it needs to be started each time u run traktor. tho it should be simple enough to make it auto run on login and run some default config or something. on windows it needs to be run after the virtual midi port app tho - so probably safer to just run it by hand. it doesn't matter whether you run it before or after traktor, so long as the virtual midiports are running first - tho if u run it before traktor midimasher will get the current 'out' states from traktor automatically. on mac and linux it is able to setup it's own virtual midi ports.
if i pull my finger out and release the next version of midimasher... it'll have a much simpler config format, more like vdjscript, tho u can still use LUA for more advanced stuff. the next version basically works - but i want to make some changes to the new script syntax that would be incompatible with how it is atm, so not releasing just yet. |
Jeanelle Mcwhorter
27.07.2012 |
Originally Posted by DJJJ
My mappings are set with MIDI in out device specific. Still crashes.
I had the same issue with a Thinkpad T60 (Traktor Audio 6, Kontrol X1 and Launchpad, loopBe) and was about to return the Launchpad. But now I solved the problem : IIRC I first uninstalled the Novation software (Windows>System Settings>Programs, look for Novation) and then, today I unplugged all Midi devices and installed a new version of the Novation USB drivers (v2.33) and selected "Midi only device" in the installation dialog. After that I reconnected the Launchpad and let Windows finish its driver installation process. Then I reconnected all other Midi devices and started Traktor Pro. After that I had no Windows freeze any more when selecting Launchpad as Midi in and Midi out in Traktor Controller Manager. Hope this helps. Now I just need to find a good mapping or maybe use Midimasher or Katapult. I wonder if Midimasher is essentially a hands off Midi driver after the initial setup, or if I have to lauch/configure it each time before I start Traktor, any experience with this? |
Lavenia Bencze
07.09.2011 | My mappings are set with MIDI in out device specific. Still crashes. |
Lizzie Hoesley
07.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
so u DO have the lp in and out ports selected explicitly and no other mappings loaded that are set to all ports?
afaik, because when I mapped it manually I set them all to channel 1.
The control is set to accept and send not to/from all, but specified as Launchpad (not specified as channel 1, but when I did midi learn from the LP they all came up channel 1) |
Chasidy Heckenbach
07.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by LmnLm3
it happens with or without automap and with or without katapult.
All my traktor mapping is completely from scratch and I didn't screw it up (works perfectly on OSX) I wonder if it has something to do with the USB controller?
I haven't tried to do it with no traktor output mappings (for LEDs) but I might for giggles... I'll make a new map from scratch on the laptop and see what happens - and if it works, I'll see if it crashes when I program an output to an LED... I'm not optimistic though :/
so u DO have the lp in and out ports selected explicitly and no other mappings loaded that are set to all ports? |
Lizzie Hoesley
07.09.2011 | it happens with or without automap and with or without katapult.
All my traktor mapping is completely from scratch and I didn't screw it up (works perfectly on OSX) I wonder if it has something to do with the USB controller?
I haven't tried to do it with no traktor output mappings (for LEDs) but I might for giggles... I'll make a new map from scratch on the laptop and see what happens - and if it works, I'll see if it crashes when I program an output to an LED... I'm not optimistic though :/ |
Chasidy Heckenbach
07.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by DJJJ
I tried running midikatapult. Same crash.
It is indeed a LED problem.
If I cut the output from traktor, then I can use it. But hard to navigate on a 8 page layout on 64 button grid (512 buttons in total) without any LED Feedback.
and u have the in and out ports set explicitly to the lp, no other tsi's sitting around using all-ports and no other devices/apps that could be affecting it somehow? shouldnt be able to connect any extra apps anyway to the lp ports if they're explicitely connected to the real lp ports.
the lp itself shouldnt be sending any data back just when it gets input over midi - but still sounds like a feedback loop |
Lavenia Bencze
07.09.2011 | I tried running midikatapult. Same crash.
It is indeed a LED problem.
If I cut the output from traktor, then I can use it. But hard to navigate on a 8 page layout on 64 button grid (512 buttons in total) without any LED Feedback. |
Chasidy Heckenbach
07.09.2011 | quick tests.... do crashes happen when you don't have any midi-out port set to the launchpad, i.e: to stop leds lighting up and then have u tried something like bomes midi keyboard that would let you route midi input from say a nanokey to the input of the lp. if u can do that does pressing keys on the nanokey make the leds light up on the lp without any issues... |
Chasidy Heckenbach
07.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by LmnLm3
And it's not just killing my OS off the bat, but rather it waits. I can even open Traktor or Live with it, and it's fine - once it's time for some LEDs to light up, though, everything is just paralyzed. So dead it can't even create a crash report!
it just sounds like some kind of midi feedback loop to me which can very easily crash your system. had the same issue with some bad code in my own midimasher app the other week - so put in some extra code to drop events if it sees too many coming per second.
you 100% sure you have midi in/out devices set correctly? and no silly things like the all-ports option that traktor has etc? |
Lavenia Bencze
07.09.2011 | Tested my launchpad with my wifes Lenovo t400 and my old HP.
Verdict:
T500: Instant crash
T400: Instant crash
HP: No problems
Looks like a conflict between Lenovo and launchpad.
A big reward to anyone who can advice me on how to get my setup working (I don't need an advice saying buy a new computer :-) |
Lizzie Hoesley
07.09.2011 | There are no crash reports - live doesn't crash, windows does
I wonder if I should save up for a new laptop... I'm getting used to the LP+nano... it's actually quite a nice combo (for anyone who doesn't use platters)
And it's not just killing my OS off the bat, but rather it waits. I can even open Traktor or Live with it, and it's fine - once it's time for some LEDs to light up, though, everything is just paralyzed. So dead it can't even create a crash report! |
Kayce Mesia
06.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by LmnLm3
I uninstalled automap, and the laptop still freezes, even in Live8 now... not sure what the problem is.
I only got it for playing out, so I believe I'm going to sell it and use a mixtrack
Hmm... I might be wrong about "Ableton not requiring Automap". Although I've never experienced Ableton crashing because Automap was not running. So I'm off to do more research on this!
By the way, have you looked at your Ableton crash reports? |
Lizzie Hoesley
06.09.2011 | I uninstalled automap, and the laptop still freezes, even in Live8 now... not sure what the problem is.
I only got it for playing out, so I believe I'm going to sell it and use a mixtrack |
Lavenia Bencze
06.09.2011 | I reset the computer to factory settings, and installed Traktor and launchpad drivers as only add on. Still freezes |
Kayce Mesia
06.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by LmnLm3
Turns out that laptop is having other troubles - but it froze even when I open Live8 so idk... I'll uninstall it and see if it works now. Will report back in 20 minutes
I found that changing my anti-virus/malware from COMODO's Internet Security to Microsoft's Security Essentials made my Ableton and Traktor stop crashing/freezing. |
Lizzie Hoesley
07.09.2011 | Turns out that laptop is having other troubles - but it froze even when I open Live8 so idk... I'll uninstall it and see if it works now. Will report back in 20 minutes |
Lavenia Bencze
06.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by LmnLm3
I didn't know you could use it without automap!
UNINTSTALLING!
I wonder if Automap is what killed my windows.... (win7 32bit on the laptop and whenever traktor, live, or automap opens (and the LEDs light up) the whole system crashes - mouse freezes, have to hard reset.... pita)
Did you resolve the freeze thing?
Mine freezes (whole computer) when I open Traktor, but I run Ableton without any flaws. |
Lizzie Hoesley
06.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by Onimode
Ableton doesn't use Automap at all.
This is fantastic to learn, thank you! Now I can uninstall it! (I have simply been not running it, but sometimes it jumps up at me when I least expect it to) |
Kayce Mesia
06.09.2011 | When you're looking at the MIDI settings of Traktor, if you see "Automap MIDI" under the In/Out port, you've got it installed. Or you could press the View/down arrow when the LP is connected.
OR, you could look in that damned start menu. :U |
Lavenia Bencze
06.09.2011 | I don't believe I have automap installed.
I bought the launchpad used, and just downloaded the ver 2.2 driver from novation site.
How can I check if it is installed (in device manager it just shows launchpad under sound devices) |
Kayce Mesia
06.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by zestoi
i'm not sure what ableton uses automap for as i have a full version of ableton5 that i use (not that i use it too much) which predates the launchpad anyway. not sure if live8le needs automap or not to get the full features...
Ableton doesn't use Automap at all. It runs a different script for it. When the Launchpad being used by Ableton, Automap doesn't interface with the LP. People say you're supposed to press User 1 & 2 + Mixer + the down arrow buttons to switch between Ableton and Automap, but I found out that it works with User 2 + the down arrow. |
Chasidy Heckenbach
06.09.2011 |
Originally Posted by DJJJ
My cpu also crashes when I use traktor with the launchpad (win 7 pro 64bit). I read about this disabling automap (I never actully installed something called automap just drivers does it come in automaticly)?
I read that I should press and hold user1+user2+mixer and then press down.
Tried that and couldn't see any response from the launchpad. Is there a way of checking if automap is disabled?
Can I remove automap completly without compromising my use in Ableton?
A lot of questions but if anyone can help I'll buy a beer next time I see you :-)
Best Regards Jeppe
installs with the drivers i believe - not 100% sure. you'll see an "Automap MIDI" or something like that in your devices. i uninstalled mine. could be that automap was a separate download so maybe u dont have it installed. there's an automap app too - so see if u have that maybe.
i'm not sure what ableton uses automap for as i have a full version of ableton5 that i use (not that i use it too much) which predates the launchpad anyway. not sure if live8le needs automap or not to get the full features...
fyi i have win7 64bit home premium and have never had any issues using my launchpad... |
Lavenia Bencze
06.09.2011 | My cpu also crashes when I use traktor with the launchpad (win 7 pro 64bit). I read about this disabling automap (I never actully installed something called automap just drivers does it come in automaticly)?
I read that I should press and hold user1+user2+mixer and then press down.
Tried that and couldn't see any response from the launchpad. Is there a way of checking if automap is disabled?
Can I remove automap completly without compromising my use in Ableton?
A lot of questions but if anyone can help I'll buy a beer next time I see you :-)
Best Regards Jeppe |
Chasidy Heckenbach
28.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by LmnLm3
Novation markets Automap so much that I just assumed I needed it - decided not to upgrade to 10.7 Lion because Automap doesn't work with it.
With that cleared up - does the LP still need drivers? or is it class-compliant? (it keeps crashing my windows computer...)
the launchpad needs drivers but unistalling automap won't remove that.
i can see how automap is useful for controllers like the nocturn where it actually does something but not sure about the lp - or at least the lp with traktor. not needed with ableton too tho from what i can tell, tho i do use an old version of live5 mostly which predates the lp. |
Lizzie Hoesley
27.08.2011 | Novation markets Automap so much that I just assumed I needed it - decided not to upgrade to 10.7 Lion because Automap doesn't work with it.
With that cleared up - does the LP still need drivers? or is it class-compliant? (it keeps crashing my windows computer...) |
Chasidy Heckenbach
27.08.2011 |
Originally Posted by LmnLm3
I didn't know you could use it without automap!
UNINTSTALLING!
I wonder if Automap is what killed my windows.... (win7 32bit on the laptop and whenever traktor, live, or automap opens (and the LEDs light up) the whole system crashes - mouse freezes, have to hard reset.... pita)
yup - no need for automap that i'm aware of unless u need some features of automap. you just refer to the launchpad pads by their own note numbers.
this is the config file i use which might or might not help http://djism.com/lua/launchpad.lua tho with midi learn in traktor you'll see what the note numbers are anyway ofc.
i haven't played with automap too much so not sure what that gives you over just mapping direct to the lp. |
Lizzie Hoesley
27.08.2011 | I didn't know you could use it without automap!
UNINTSTALLING!
I wonder if Automap is what killed my windows.... (win7 32bit on the laptop and whenever traktor, live, or automap opens (and the LEDs light up) the whole system crashes - mouse freezes, have to hard reset.... pita) |
Chasidy Heckenbach
27.08.2011 | never had those issues with my launchpad but i don't use automap. are you using some functionality from automap that you actually need? i've only used the lp connected directly with traktor, via midikatapult or my own midimasher app. |
