Pioneer VS Gemini
Pioneer VS Gemini Posted on: 10.06.2012 by Jeraldine Raterink So I was looking to get new CDJs and I found the CDJ900 by Pioneer was exactly what I wanted.But then I found the Gemini CDJ700 and it's exactly what I want... and MORE! It also costs less! So why do people prefer Pioneer over Gemini? | |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 27.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by sss18734
Originally Posted by Reticuli
Not that I'm against the Gemini CDJ700, it looks like a great media player. |
| Trista Karle 27.11.2012 | ImageUploadedByTapatalk1353994105.843628.jpgGetting back to basics introducing no seamless looping if I remember correctly |
| Trista Karle 27.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by chrisw
To the op if you can beatmatch blindfolded and don't use sync quant or snap and can hold the track back cue for 4 bars and drop on beat then worry about your lack of control surface... RGAS will drain your mind and pocket book if your not carefull.... |
| Erica Charvet 27.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
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| Ara Tima 26.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by deevey
small_gemini-cdj10.jpg No jogs.... You get what you pay for with these cheaper brands, it'll be great at first, but you'll end up wishing you got Pioneers. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 19.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by sss18734
"OK, get this turntable and this controller" Say what? |
| Vernon Positano 17.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Hoodless
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by lucasmanning
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| Kiyoko Wellisch 27.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by sss18734
Originally Posted by Reticuli
Not that I'm against the Gemini CDJ700, it looks like a great media player. |
| Trista Karle 27.11.2012 | ImageUploadedByTapatalk1353994105.843628.jpgGetting back to basics introducing no seamless looping if I remember correctly |
| Trista Karle 27.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by chrisw
To the op if you can beatmatch blindfolded and don't use sync quant or snap and can hold the track back cue for 4 bars and drop on beat then worry about your lack of control surface... RGAS will drain your mind and pocket book if your not carefull.... |
| Erica Charvet 27.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrPopinjay
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| Ara Tima 26.11.2012 |
Originally Posted by deevey
small_gemini-cdj10.jpg No jogs.... You get what you pay for with these cheaper brands, it'll be great at first, but you'll end up wishing you got Pioneers. |
| Carletta Riemer 26.11.2012 | The Pioneer CDJs DON'T EVEN HAVE EFFECTS. WTF are complaining about? And reliability? You can buy 3 700s for the price of 1 2000 and they do exactly the same thing in the exact same way. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 19.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by sss18734
"OK, get this turntable and this controller" Say what? |
| Erica Charvet 17.06.2012 | You say that you don't scratch much, but when you do, you want to have the large platter. The route you are going on is cumbersome and pointless. Get your S4 and a single vinyl turntable. Route the input of all four decks to that turntable. That way, you can use that one turntable to control ANY of the four decks when you feel the need to scratch. Added bonus is that it will always be on the side of your dominant hand. And you get a 12" motorized platter. |
| Vernon Positano 17.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Hoodless
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| Rolanda Clodfelder 13.06.2012 | Gizmo's trusted review crew took one for a spin, and apart from them wanting better FX (which CDJ's don't have anyhow), A separate headphone (weird), and rating the touch screen as a gimmick - which is fair enough. http://djworx.com/review-gemini-cdj-700-media-player/ Everything else in the review came off as pretty glowing IMHO, certainly worthy of consideration for someone who: A) Does not need to utilize rekordbox or link but wants CDJ features/form B) Does not want to spend almost $4 for a home setup but encounters CDJ's in the club and needs a familiar interface and feel to practice. C) Wants Full CDJ size midi controller/soundcard for use with Traktor/VDJ etc .. D) Wants a DVS solution for home/studio that can utilize slip mode and features same as they were in a club on industry standard gear. Even with the gimmicky screen its still got a better one than a CDJ900. For the record I would NOT be recommending anything by Gemini for any more than HOME/House Party/Studio use btw - no matter how good value I believe they are I don't believe they would survive long in the drink/smoke/button bashing 5 evening a week environment that is most Club DJ boxes. However the same goes for American Audio, Numark CD Units, DJ-Tech, Reloop, Stanton, KAM and a slew of other manufacturers - same goes for mixers. Just to clear that up. |
| Kiyoko Wellisch 13.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by lucasmanning
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| Erich Vallabhaneni 12.06.2012 | Im pretty sure you're gonna get what you want regardless of what we tell you, so that being said I believe you should not worry about gemini. You want quality over quantity or things will get expensive fast. You want an S4 with 4 700s? Well them being a cheaper brand they will break, and will need to be replaced often if used often. Id say S4+1210s, 2 platter decks and two vinyl/DVS decks. But thats just me |
| Vikki Jeannoel 12.06.2012 | Don't bother with Gemini decks |
| Elmer Kindinger 12.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by deevey
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| Dione Haimes 12.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Endure
You would be doing well to DJ with three decks never mind four, i can only name a couple of DJs ive seen do four decks well, and they barely ever use the fourth at that. part from echo freeze, (which you can kinda do) name any effects that you would use in traktor that are not available on a djm800. For the money you want to spend on, really a pointless setup you could buy yourself a DJM800 (which also sounds better than an s4 and you dont need to carry a laptop everywhere) and two CDJ900s, maybe even an efx1000 if you get a good deal. Or do as chrisw says and buy yourself a footswitch, maybe even get yourself a pair of 1200s if you want to 'scratch' Ever scratched on a CDJ900? its pretty nice. Not quite TTs but still very nice. |
| Jeraldine Raterink 12.06.2012 | i'm going with traktor because i like the layout better as well as it's many effects, sample decks if i want to use them, remix decks if i want to use them, etc. mainly for the effects. that's why i'm getting the s4, for total control of traktor, not for control of serato. when it comes down to it, the size of the jog wheel is the biggest factor when scratching for me, not the software. i don't plan on scratching a lot, but when i do i want the big wheels. also, i like having dedicated pieces of hardware for each deck. each cdj controls one deck, while the s4 is the mixer. i plan on mapping the s4's small jogwheels for effects, or just using the mapping from djtt. |
| Cammy Clegg 12.06.2012 | go with serato dont do cdj. If you want to scratch DVS serato. Can you dj on 4 decks? Last time I checked I only had two arms. S4 you use the foot switch as a layer toggle. pluss saves you a ton of money |
| Jeraldine Raterink 12.06.2012 | Alright, well i hate tiny jog wheels and only having two play/pause buttons as well as two platters. hence, i want external CDJs for each deck. Also bigger jog wheels for scratching, and the cdj700 has slip mode which i really want. so what would you recommend? |
| Cammy Clegg 12.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Endure
Especially coming from a DJ tech 101 your gonna get so damn confused using it. Really if your not using CDs dont do CDJ |
| Jeraldine Raterink 12.06.2012 | i have a laptop running traktor, and currently have the dj tech 101 series. i want to get an S4, and then 4 CDJ700s. Probably a midi fighter too. But i'm still going to be running traktor. |
| Margarite Jayme 12.06.2012 | It sounds like you really want us to tell you that the Gemini is as good as the Pioneer. We won't because it isn't true. The screen is better on the Pioneer (bigger, more useable information). The jog wheel has smoother travel. The buttons have a nicer click. As well, the Gemini cannot share collections between two players from one drive, making you double up your collection. It has effects, but the effects are not very good. If you get the Gemini you will enjoy it, but it is not in the same class as the Pioneer. That said, I have to ask-why not get a laptop based solution? You could get an S2 and a good laptop for the same money as a pair of the Gemini players (and a hell of a lot less than the Pioneer) and have way more functionality. |
| Fannie Ohayre 11.06.2012 | Pioneer: Professional grade gear
. Gemini: Consumer Grade gear . |
| Nancey Inderlied 11.06.2012 | My rule of thumb is that if you're looking to buy hardware based on a raw feature list, high end gear will most likely escape you. Especially in the media player market, people tend to not focus on "what things does it do," and instead look for "how is it in use?" Yes, they will both play music, and manipulate it in a way that media players have been established to, but it's the useage over time that really starts to show a piece of hardware's colours. |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 11.06.2012 | Dude thats RRP and USD ... current going rate on amazon is 500USD so 350GBP :-O |
| Brunilda Kora 11.06.2012 | This is the first I've heard of Gemini's CDJ700. Looks pretty good. |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 12.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Endure
Screen = Wider, nicer looking and has scrolling waveforms as opposed to static on the gemini. Jogwheel = Ring lit, Nicer feeling Lan Connectivity between the units. Recordbox allows you to manage your music either directly (over lag) or pre-prepared USB keys, set your loops and generally organize without using a third party DVS system. You can then use the USB key in a CDJ unit anywhere - its very handy if you are playing out alot and will be encountering them at every gig. Pioneer vs Gemini is akin to Mercedes vs Toyota - both will get you there with most of the same features but only one is a mercedes and you will notice the difference (however slight) when driving. |
| Jeraldine Raterink 12.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by MrDudeMan
better jog wheel
and Rekordbox librarian
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| Margarite Jayme 12.06.2012 | The Pioneer has less features: worse The Pioneer has a better screen, better jog wheel and Rekordbox librarian: better. |
| Jeraldine Raterink 12.06.2012 | Alright, so specifically. Why is the Pioneer CDJ 900 better or worse than the Gemini CDJ 700? |
| Rolanda Clodfelder 11.06.2012 |
So why do people prefer Pioneer over Gemini?
Their DJ mixers had a tainted reliability record in the past and their price makes alot of people refuse to acknowledge that they are actually any good (bit like behringer). Their CD players though are robust (less moving parts than a DJ mixer), and I mentioned in a previous thread their knock off CDJ500 was actually more reliable than pioneer. I used to sell bundles of gemini gear until around 2002, nothing bad for the price and their failing was ALWAYS their pots and faders in mixers, rather than gear spontaneously dying or the sound quality - *They were one of the first budget manufacturers ever to mass produce a dj mixer with three band EQ per channel. I Think that was around 1997 - horrible screen, but everything else was on par with pioneer at the time. |
| Margarite Jayme 10.06.2012 |
Originally Posted by Endure
As for comparing the two, the Gemini is built better than most Gemini gear I have played with in the past. It feels pretty solid, and the screen looks decent and has decent touch response. The effects however are not very good, and all in all it just feels less "premium". The CDJ-900 has way less features, but the jog wheel does feel better, and it has Rekordbox for the analysis engine (and a dual player link so you can share drives between units. It should also have higher overall resale value. Either should serve you well, just depends on what your expectations are. The Gemini feels like it costs less money than the Pioneer, but it also feels worth every penny (if that makes sense). |
| Cora Younginer 10.06.2012 | The general consensus seems to be that Gemini has less than stellar quality. I can't confirm or deny that but it really haunts their name on multiple websites and keeps me from getting too attached to the 700 unfortunately. |
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