no money is music? no wonder... here is one reason why
no money is music? no wonder... here is one reason why Posted on: 24.03.2013 by Libbie Orion Sometimes i believe i do it to myself. Today i went looking for trouble basically and thats exactly what i found.I just got this submission mix from a potential dj for the station. The mix sounds pretty good but has some strange elements to it when going from track to track. Its not that the levels are off but something about the overall mastering of the songs is off. I i pulled up his tracklist for the mix and i started searching. Not sure exactly what led me to believe this was going to turn out this way but i found every single one of his songs FOR FREE DOWNLOAD on soundcloud. This guy didnt purchase one single track. (yes i know theres no rule against that) but So before i emailed him, i happened to ask, "so where do you usually get your music from, are you part of a pool bla bla bla" He said he only does his shopping on beatport........ Im sorry but i know i asked for it but now..... two things 1) No wonder music sites are hardly making money 2) there is just something unethical about the results.... Sorry. i just had to get that off my chest | |
| Libbie Orion 26.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Tortango
that hits it on the head. Its was trendy. and i didnt really notice that about the tracks until you said it. IT goes in hand with what i posted a little bit ago. It just comes across with a grave lack of creativity. And i tend to wonder... since the mixing isnt that good, and the selection isnt that good, and there seems to be a bit lacking in the "technique" i have to wonder... how long has he been spinning? Not that it matters because i came across this little asian chic who was playing for 6months and she was a TRANCE phenom on the decks. I mean REALLY great. (must be an asian thing in NYC) but theres just too many key points missing with this person IMO |
| Betsy Laukhuff 26.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by sicnarf033
And yes there are plenty of people who are very snobbish about ceartan brands/types of hardware, the aim of my post was to point out that bitching about free music is equally ridiculous. O.P. already stated he didn't like the guy's mixes that much so what's the problem? |
| Libbie Orion 25.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Rukks
God this gets a bit irritating at times. When i pick up an album from time to time that has followed this method, its almost like a free for all on tracks. To me a label looses its identity when they do this. DOes anyone here remember checking out the sounds always releasing from ZYX music label? |
| Libbie Orion 24.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Frank112916
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| Dino Hapgood 24.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Nicky H
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| Libbie Orion 26.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Tortango
that hits it on the head. Its was trendy. and i didnt really notice that about the tracks until you said it. IT goes in hand with what i posted a little bit ago. It just comes across with a grave lack of creativity. And i tend to wonder... since the mixing isnt that good, and the selection isnt that good, and there seems to be a bit lacking in the "technique" i have to wonder... how long has he been spinning? Not that it matters because i came across this little asian chic who was playing for 6months and she was a TRANCE phenom on the decks. I mean REALLY great. (must be an asian thing in NYC) but theres just too many key points missing with this person IMO |
| Katie Ahmady 26.03.2013 | I definitely get what the OP is talking about... There is nothing wrong with getting music off of soundcloud of course, but I get tired of hearing poorly made mixes that contain nothing but a random selection of popular free downloads from the trendy genre of the moment. If a DJ were to make a really good mix out of obscure free tracks that would be pretty cool, like crate-digging as someone mentioned... there are probably good mixes of free tracks out there but I've never heard one |
| Betsy Laukhuff 26.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by sicnarf033
And yes there are plenty of people who are very snobbish about ceartan brands/types of hardware, the aim of my post was to point out that bitching about free music is equally ridiculous. O.P. already stated he didn't like the guy's mixes that much so what's the problem? |
| Libbie Orion 25.03.2013 | good god 031999 youre not the only one that has gotten this i had built an early version of my radio station many years ago. and when i shut it down to launch the full new one in 2006 i started getting submissions from unknown djs. Ok good, thats what i was looking for but 2 mixes in one week came in, and they were BOTH from different people but both mixes, were previous mixes that my own djs had made Iguess they thought that since they ripped it from a bedroom dj in ireland, no one in the US would know who they were? shameful and fraudulence |
| Lannie Kutay 25.03.2013 | i would have more of a problem if the whole mix was just a premix ripped from soundcloud, which is what i hear from alot of submissions these days. I cant tell you how many guys have submitted an episode of fedde's dark light sessions claiming they mixed it. Its a shame |
| Libbie Orion 25.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Rukks
God this gets a bit irritating at times. When i pick up an album from time to time that has followed this method, its almost like a free for all on tracks. To me a label looses its identity when they do this. DOes anyone here remember checking out the sounds always releasing from ZYX music label? |
| Lashawn Maycock 25.03.2013 | Personally I believe DJ's should be exploring all legal avenues to acquire music, whether free tracks via promo mailouts, SC or paid online/real world record shops - I can't understand why you would restrict yourself, it makes no sense. Besides, buying music has never been cheaper (digital) so it's a weak excuse not to use paid sites as well. Whichever method is used, it is only right that you give feedback/support to the producer, whether that be by buying or a thumbs up/feedback on SC/FB. |
| Cole Maroto 25.03.2013 | it's odd to me that people question downloading free tracks or believe it's unethical in some way. if they're good quality and from the artists i really fail to see the issue. |
| Latoria Kavulich 25.03.2013 | ^ well said |
| Lang Abriel 25.03.2013 | From the sounds of it, he had alot of soundcloud tracks that were from not well known producers...therefore the mastering was sh!t. There's two types of ppl on soundcloud, ppl that just put random stuff they work on to try to build a fan base and let the casual users listen to things they have created....mixes, songs, whatever. Then there is the new bread of producers that have tracks mastered, ready to go, and actually scheduling release dates for their tracks on soundcloud to keep a steady fan base and continue to grow. Promote songs to Dj's etc...Those tracks are still usually free...but they are professionally mastered and put their for promotional purposes. Some of the tracks are put up as testers, example....Baauer's early songs. Once they exploded they don't see the need to give them free and can make some cash off of it. Does it still make it wrong that I grabbed the free downloads when they were up, still questioning myself about that but not to worried about it. Back to the most resent question, I believe I am alot more creative using soundcloud than any paid for site like beatport. I find stuff on soundcloud well before release dates and don't fall into the popularity contest that beatport promotes. I make my decisions on teasers and once they are released I will pick them up on beatport, but rarely do my choices align with the top 100. Plus it is easier to find cliques of similar artists if you know how to use soundcloud well. <<<---this used to be easier with labels, but now labels only pick up individual tracks of unknown producers and not sign the artists....so the 'sound' that labels look for is not as consistent |
| Libbie Orion 24.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Frank112916
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| Libbie Orion 24.03.2013 | been believeing a bit more about it and i believe i finally get what bothers me about it all from this dj Its not that he "isnt supporting artists by purchasing tracks" or "being lazy with his music selection" none of those things and i was really trying to find out why i couldnt say (THOSE were the reasons) in the end i believe or feel that his music portfolio and style is going to be VERY limited. How is he going to accomplish doing a 2 hr show every week over and over again without playing the same songs twice? After a while it seemed that his songs would become predictable. the mix like i said was not that great. It did need some work on technique and the blends werent that tight. But in all in all, i tend to look REALLY deep into how a dj does their thing.... and to me..... he was not being or gonig to be creative enough to fit the mold. |
| Dino Hapgood 24.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Nicky H
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| Janyce Henningson 24.03.2013 | Start to be negative? So SHM has to pay me to listen to their tracks? They don't have enough money... |
| Saran Sprinkel 24.03.2013 | "I believe there will come a day in our lifetimes when retail music will no longer exist [for] purchasing. People might pay for access. But this decline in the value of recorded music- it will surpass zero and start to be negative. No one can make money selling songs for 99 cents, or 69 cents, as Google does sometimes," Adell said. Which is probably why Beatport are taking on new projects such as the one with Shazam." Beatport CEO - Matthew Adell |
| Sonja Roybal 24.03.2013 | There are tons of great free tunes on Soundcloud for various reasons. Some are too old to sell. Some can't be released because samples couldn't clear. Some dudes are just cool. Civic Music has nearly a gig of free tunes on their site. Machine Drum and Om Unit release tunes on the regular. I don't see the big deal. As long as the dude isn't stealing released tunes and the music is good, who cares? |
| Gaynell Rydberg 24.03.2013 | You completely missed the point of his sarcastic post lol. |
| Delfina Suedmeyer 24.03.2013 | people say this and people say that. its a just a bunch of jibberish. |
| Janyce Henningson 24.03.2013 | "Because people say you need a mac and Pio gear to be a real dj" |
| Delfina Suedmeyer 24.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by dfinch805
what does that have to do with investing to be a "real" dj? cause even "real" djs use laptops.... |
| Michell Wehrmeyer 24.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by sicnarf033
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| Jonathan Chiuchiolo 25.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by sicnarf033
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| Delfina Suedmeyer 24.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by Conall
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| Inez Marcinik 24.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by sicnarf033
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| Delfina Suedmeyer 24.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by stijn
and that is a poor analogy. you simply cant compare playing free music and playing bought music with using a laptop or Pioneer CDjs/NI. that is ridiculous. |
| Betsy Laukhuff 24.03.2013 | playing free music is like using a laptop other than apple or using hardware other than pioneer or NI, it proves you are not willing to invest in becoming a real dj with the same great as anyone else! these people are breaking with tradition and don't deserve to be called a dj! no seriously the only thing that matters: do you or do you not like his music? |
| Horacio Stranathan 24.03.2013 | As a Dj/Producer the sound cloud argument continues. I personally don't see anything wrong with this and this is why. 1. The producer wants to get his stuff out there, to make a name for himself. And there is no better price than free. People eat free stuff up all day long. 2. Usually producers don't put ALL their secrets out on sound cloud. They usually hold back a few sounds or layouts/instrumentals for their own shows to jazz them up and separate them from everyone downloading their free tracks. Think of the created work flow and the ability to mash up and mix a crazy set from multiple tracks that one has created. Sound cloud currently does not have work flow downloads. 3. The DJ in question probably likes sound cloud for the variety of tracks that are not top 40 or mainstream. I have been listening to UMF all week in Miami, and I must say I am very disappointed at how many of the top DJ's play the "popular" tracks. It seems like all the top names seem to play the same songs. Although lying about it is where I have a problem. If you just spoke up and said, I find free tunes for variety and get their names out there sounds a whole lot better than telling people you are a beatport shopper. Personally I don't believe shopping at beatport makes you a DJ. Even though apparently it is very hip to say you shop there or the standard answer to the always popular question "Where do you buy your music". |
| Audrey Pinda 24.03.2013 | As long as they are paying for tracks, or digging for free tracks... as long as the sound quality is solid, I really don't see an issue with this. It's modern day digging at it's finest. You're going to find some of the stuff you want on beatport, and other things via soundcloud and other means. Doesn't mean you are doing it wrong. In fact that will give you more depth over time. Tracks are /expensive/ and it's a fact if you're keeping up with it. Honestly? I don't believe I've ever bought a single moombah or trap song (and probably never will) because I primarily keep up with breaks and dnb. But that doesn't mean when I come across a good free tune on soundcloud I don't download it. I've done a couple mixes with /just/ shit I've gotten from soundcloud. A big part of it is actually making sure things are tagged correctly and the file quality is alright. I wouldn't worry about it. And he wasn't lying, probably all the tracks he buys he gets from beatport. |
| Joetta Vassil 24.03.2013 | I find that really un-proffesional .. especially when applying for a radio station? like fuck wheres your common sense |
| Debera Renkes 24.03.2013 | I don't see a problem with this at all. He's playing less mainstream music (Beatport top 100) and more orignal songs with more flavor... |
| Dirk Veasman 23.03.2013 | Obi Wan says "These are not the problems you are looking for. Move along.... move along..." (don't let the little things get you down) |
| Inez Marcinik 23.03.2013 | what was the exact question you asked him? It could just be a case of wording, you say he said he only buys music from beatport, maybe he does. |
| Latoria Kavulich 23.03.2013 | legit tracks or bootleg uploads? because they should be reported in that case. |
| Julissa Serrone 23.03.2013 |
Originally Posted by DarioJ
My favorite DJ/Producer out there puts TONS of his tracks (remixes) out for free on soundcloud. I could put together a great set with his tracks alone. The money he want's is not for his FREE song....he wants to get booked to DJ it. I believe it's great this guy does some digging. I believe because of posts like this he lied to you and told you Beatport because you've created the perception that digging thru soundcloud is bad. Its not. |
| Era Roka 23.03.2013 | hmm.. i agree with Nicky H, there is nothing wrong about soundclioud tracks but i do understand you. If all his tracks are downloaded from soundcloud is it a possibility that he doesn't believes tracks are worth his money so he scales his track sources down to the free alternatives such as soundcloud. This probably results in fewer tracks or lower quallity tracks, because he knows this and doesn't want you to know about it he lies.... atleast thats my theory |
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