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Posted on: 02.09.2011 by Len Lukawski
I am starting to do more video pieces to go alongside my articles and youtube tomfoolery. Any of you that saw my Trator Bible unboxing video will know how much the video quality sucked so I need to sort something out.

At the same time I want to get my wife a DSLR Camera (looking at maybe the Nikon D5000). So friends, here are my questions:

1. Will the Nikon D5000 deliver good quality video and sound?

2. Any suggestions on other DSLRs that someone can learn photography on? My wife is looking at taking classes.

3. Best places to get deals on cameras? Or do I just go to amazon?

4. Forgetting the Nikon for a minute, are there any webcam/USB video devices that I can get good results from that won't cost the earth? Most if not all of what I do will be within 10' of my laptop.

Thanks chaps.

SmiTTTen
Jacque Divinity
09.09.2011
Originally Posted by smittten
SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any recommendations on lenses?

All I need now is for you to pop over to Cleveland so you can teach my wife how to use the camera and me how to get the most out of the increasing number of buttons growing in my loft. Also, do you like kids? We might want some baby sitting done too
i'd lean more towards the 60D over a t3i if its going to be used primarily for photography, it is slightly more photography friendly and more options are available on the camera with the extra dial so you aren't delving into menus to change settings all the time.

video quality is the same on both.
Len Lukawski
08.09.2011
Originally Posted by armyofme4340
Let the bass CANON kick.


Get a canon t2i or t3i. They are super cheap, especially if you only buy the body. You can get a t2i and a prime lens 50. For 750.

The quality is amazing. Not only that but you can shoot in 24 frames or 60.

There is a hack firmware for it called magic lantern that turns off the auto gain and gives u a ton of awesome features.

Don't worry about autofocus. If you are using it for reviews you will be stationary anyway so you won't need to rack focus. And if your aperture isnt open super wide then you should have no problem getting things in focus.

Here is a video I shot and edited for fun. I just walked outside y house and started shooting handheld. I'm using the t2i.

Downtown LA // 5th on Vimeo
SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any recommendations on lenses?

All I need now is for you to pop over to Cleveland so you can teach my wife how to use the camera and me how to get the most out of the increasing number of buttons growing in my loft. Also, do you like kids? We might want some baby sitting done too
Jacque Divinity
05.09.2011
Originally Posted by smittten
Ummm, excuse me Sir, I are DJ and don't want something that makes me "believe less" and that's like cheating and means I wouldn't cut it with a REAL camera. I need something that makes it absolutely as challenging as possible to execute even the most basic stuff.

In all seriousness, thank you lady and gents. I now need to find the coin to sort this out before our wedding anniversary in November (I generally forget and end up giving her a token for "free toast for a year" or something).


What about the used market? Reliable or am I taking way too much of a chance?

Cheers,
used market can be hit and miss with dslr's... depending on how truthful the seller is regarding where the camera has been used, if its been serviced, amount of mirror actuations its had etc. buying second hand lenses is fine but i'd be wary of a second hand body. its all up to your personal preference tho i spose. regular video cams like those i mentioned i wouldnt hesitate buying second hand at the right price.
Len Lukawski
04.09.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
...the controls are exactly where I believe they should be, which means i have to believe less about what I want to do and can focus on composition.
Ummm, excuse me Sir, I are DJ and don't want something that makes me "believe less" and that's like cheating and means I wouldn't cut it with a REAL camera. I need something that makes it absolutely as challenging as possible to execute even the most basic stuff.

In all seriousness, thank you lady and gents. I now need to find the coin to sort this out before our wedding anniversary in November (I generally forget and end up giving her a token for "free toast for a year" or something).


What about the used market? Reliable or am I taking way too much of a chance?

Cheers,
Branden Wentler
04.09.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
Okay, I may be a huge Canon fanboy.

To me Canon is easier to learn on and the controls are exactly where I believe they should be, which means i have to believe less about what I want to do and can focus on composition. I learned on canon way back when we had to put film in the camera and Nikon ruled the pro roost though so that may be why I just know the cameras.

Today Canon's are on top and they aways seem to be one step ahead of Nikon. Although I hardly keep up with what's new in camera stuff anymore nowadays because it's not really my hobby, but my job.

When I'm asked about consumer level camera's like that though i always say that at the price level the camera's are pretty much the same and it's best to handle both of them and pick the one that makes the most sense to you.

I just looked at the Nikon spec's and it says video audio is built in mic and mono, that kills it for me. Regardless of which one you get if you get one with external mic capabilities you can get a cheap $30 lav mic and a $30 tripod and your a big step to turning your videos into professional quality.
Right on. I've seen your gear and work so your opinion holds more weight...just wanted to know where you were coming from. BTW I believe it's the D5100 I'm looking at. Also believeing about the Canon but damn their lenses are expensive!
Leeanna Ayla
04.09.2011
Originally Posted by space monkey
Why not Nikon? I've been eyeing the 5000 for a few weeks and heard many good things about it. HD video is another thing I'm interested in as well. Can't read reviews yet (at work) but IIRC Nikon had capability for external mic as well.
Okay, I may be a huge Canon fanboy.

To me Canon is easier to learn on and the controls are exactly where I believe they should be, which means i have to believe less about what I want to do and can focus on composition. I learned on canon way back when we had to put film in the camera and Nikon ruled the pro roost though so that may be why I just know the cameras.

Today Canon's are on top and they aways seem to be one step ahead of Nikon. Although I hardly keep up with what's new in camera stuff anymore nowadays because it's not really my hobby, but my job.

When I'm asked about consumer level camera's like that though i always say that at the price level the camera's are pretty much the same and it's best to handle both of them and pick the one that makes the most sense to you.

I just looked at the Nikon spec's and it says video audio is built in mic and mono, that kills it for me. Regardless of which one you get if you get one with external mic capabilities you can get a cheap $30 lav mic and a $30 tripod and your a big step to turning your videos into professional quality.
Leeanna Ayla
04.09.2011
Originally Posted by josh@firestorm
canon
This

Originally Posted by josh@firestorm
B&H photo
And this
Len Lukawski
02.09.2011		I am starting to do more video pieces to go alongside my articles and youtube tomfoolery. Any of you that saw my Trator Bible unboxing video will know how much the video quality sucked so I need to sort something out.

At the same time I want to get my wife a DSLR Camera (looking at maybe the Nikon D5000). So friends, here are my questions:

1. Will the Nikon D5000 deliver good quality video and sound?

2. Any suggestions on other DSLRs that someone can learn photography on? My wife is looking at taking classes.

3. Best places to get deals on cameras? Or do I just go to amazon?

4. Forgetting the Nikon for a minute, are there any webcam/USB video devices that I can get good results from that won't cost the earth? Most if not all of what I do will be within 10' of my laptop.

Thanks chaps.

SmiTTTen
Len Lukawski
16.09.2011		The T2i is now here and my other half was totally surprised with an 11th anniversary gift two months early. I showed her Priscilla's video and she was blown away.

Thanks to all you lovely people for your help and suggestions.



Darren
Phylis Lebby
15.09.2011		Smitten, that is a fine camera. You'll definitely be satisfied with its footage, especially at low focal lengths. I've shot feature-lengths films on it, as well as just about any short I've done in the last year. The image quality is gorgeous.
Len Lukawski
14.09.2011		Just purchased the Canon t2i - Thanks for everyone's help.

$719 for anon EOS Rebel T2i EF-S DSLR Camera Kit - Black, U.S.A. Warranty - with Canon 18-55mm Lens, Slinger Camera Bag, USB 2.0 SD Card Reader, Digital Camera & Lens Cleaning Kit, Pro Optic Pro Digital 58mm Multi Coated UV Ultra Violet Filter
Jacque Divinity
09.09.2011
Originally Posted by smittten
SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any recommendations on lenses?

All I need now is for you to pop over to Cleveland so you can teach my wife how to use the camera and me how to get the most out of the increasing number of buttons growing in my loft. Also, do you like kids? We might want some baby sitting done too
i'd lean more towards the 60D over a t3i if its going to be used primarily for photography, it is slightly more photography friendly and more options are available on the camera with the extra dial so you aren't delving into menus to change settings all the time.

video quality is the same on both.
Len Lukawski
08.09.2011
Originally Posted by armyofme4340
Let the bass CANON kick.


Get a canon t2i or t3i. They are super cheap, especially if you only buy the body. You can get a t2i and a prime lens 50. For 750.

The quality is amazing. Not only that but you can shoot in 24 frames or 60.

There is a hack firmware for it called magic lantern that turns off the auto gain and gives u a ton of awesome features.

Don't worry about autofocus. If you are using it for reviews you will be stationary anyway so you won't need to rack focus. And if your aperture isnt open super wide then you should have no problem getting things in focus.

Here is a video I shot and edited for fun. I just walked outside y house and started shooting handheld. I'm using the t2i.

Downtown LA // 5th on Vimeo
SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any recommendations on lenses?

All I need now is for you to pop over to Cleveland so you can teach my wife how to use the camera and me how to get the most out of the increasing number of buttons growing in my loft. Also, do you like kids? We might want some baby sitting done too
Teresia Janusch
05.09.2011		HD video and all things related to it is my day job...i cover mostly news and current affairs stuff...shooting on xdcam, dvcpro and p2.

...on a side note, for personal use i have a Nikon D3100 which I got as something i could throw in the boot of my car for when the time comes...but i was actually quite surprised at its video quality. it will do 1080p at 25 or 30fps, but it does have quite a bad rolling shutter effect when panning quickly or without a tripod.

I picked Nikon, because i had an F55 when i was at college and all my lenses fit albiet with a crop factor. it hasnt let me down yet!
Jacque Divinity
05.09.2011
Originally Posted by smittten
Ummm, excuse me Sir, I are DJ and don't want something that makes me "believe less" and that's like cheating and means I wouldn't cut it with a REAL camera. I need something that makes it absolutely as challenging as possible to execute even the most basic stuff.

In all seriousness, thank you lady and gents. I now need to find the coin to sort this out before our wedding anniversary in November (I generally forget and end up giving her a token for "free toast for a year" or something).


What about the used market? Reliable or am I taking way too much of a chance?

Cheers,
used market can be hit and miss with dslr's... depending on how truthful the seller is regarding where the camera has been used, if its been serviced, amount of mirror actuations its had etc. buying second hand lenses is fine but i'd be wary of a second hand body. its all up to your personal preference tho i spose. regular video cams like those i mentioned i wouldnt hesitate buying second hand at the right price.
Len Lukawski
04.09.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
...the controls are exactly where I believe they should be, which means i have to believe less about what I want to do and can focus on composition.
Ummm, excuse me Sir, I are DJ and don't want something that makes me "believe less" and that's like cheating and means I wouldn't cut it with a REAL camera. I need something that makes it absolutely as challenging as possible to execute even the most basic stuff.

In all seriousness, thank you lady and gents. I now need to find the coin to sort this out before our wedding anniversary in November (I generally forget and end up giving her a token for "free toast for a year" or something).


What about the used market? Reliable or am I taking way too much of a chance?

Cheers,
Branden Wentler
04.09.2011
Originally Posted by photojojo
Okay, I may be a huge Canon fanboy.

To me Canon is easier to learn on and the controls are exactly where I believe they should be, which means i have to believe less about what I want to do and can focus on composition. I learned on canon way back when we had to put film in the camera and Nikon ruled the pro roost though so that may be why I just know the cameras.

Today Canon's are on top and they aways seem to be one step ahead of Nikon. Although I hardly keep up with what's new in camera stuff anymore nowadays because it's not really my hobby, but my job.

When I'm asked about consumer level camera's like that though i always say that at the price level the camera's are pretty much the same and it's best to handle both of them and pick the one that makes the most sense to you.

I just looked at the Nikon spec's and it says video audio is built in mic and mono, that kills it for me. Regardless of which one you get if you get one with external mic capabilities you can get a cheap $30 lav mic and a $30 tripod and your a big step to turning your videos into professional quality.
Right on. I've seen your gear and work so your opinion holds more weight...just wanted to know where you were coming from. BTW I believe it's the D5100 I'm looking at. Also believeing about the Canon but damn their lenses are expensive!
Joannie Brague
05.09.2011		Let the bass CANON kick.


Get a canon t2i or t3i. They are super cheap, especially if you only buy the body. You can get a t2i and a prime lens 50. For 750.

The quality is amazing. Not only that but you can shoot in 24 frames or 60.

There is a hack firmware for it called magic lantern that turns off the auto gain and gives u a ton of awesome features.

Don't worry about autofocus. If you are using it for reviews you will be stationary anyway so you won't need to rack focus. And if your aperture isnt open super wide then you should have no problem getting things in focus.

Here is a video I shot and edited for fun. I just walked outside y house and started shooting handheld. I'm using the t2i.

[ame="http://vimeo.com/26478958"]Downtown LA // 5th on Vimeo[/ame]
Jacque Divinity
04.09.2011		to get some video examples of all the cameras i listed, just go to vimeo.com and search for the camera model... i.e gopro hd, rebel xti, etc..

its a good way to preview how cameras perform in varying conditions
Leeanna Ayla
04.09.2011
Originally Posted by space monkey
Why not Nikon? I've been eyeing the 5000 for a few weeks and heard many good things about it. HD video is another thing I'm interested in as well. Can't read reviews yet (at work) but IIRC Nikon had capability for external mic as well.
Okay, I may be a huge Canon fanboy.

To me Canon is easier to learn on and the controls are exactly where I believe they should be, which means i have to believe less about what I want to do and can focus on composition. I learned on canon way back when we had to put film in the camera and Nikon ruled the pro roost though so that may be why I just know the cameras.

Today Canon's are on top and they aways seem to be one step ahead of Nikon. Although I hardly keep up with what's new in camera stuff anymore nowadays because it's not really my hobby, but my job.

When I'm asked about consumer level camera's like that though i always say that at the price level the camera's are pretty much the same and it's best to handle both of them and pick the one that makes the most sense to you.

I just looked at the Nikon spec's and it says video audio is built in mic and mono, that kills it for me. Regardless of which one you get if you get one with external mic capabilities you can get a cheap $30 lav mic and a $30 tripod and your a big step to turning your videos into professional quality.
Lucile Sanita
04.09.2011		I got a D5000 myself. Love it!
But do not, DO NOT get it for video!

No auto focus is a #%^%$&^. Whenever you focus manually you'll hear it in your footage.
Step it up a bit and the D5100 will serve you just right.

For photography the D5000 is a good DSLR starter. I use mine with the 18 - 105mm kitlens and a 35mm prime.
Branden Wentler
04.09.2011		Why not Nikon? I've been eyeing the 5000 for a few weeks and heard many good things about it. HD video is another thing I'm interested in as well. Can't read reviews yet (at work) but IIRC Nikon had capability for external mic as well.
Leeanna Ayla
04.09.2011
Originally Posted by josh@firestorm
canon
This

Originally Posted by josh@firestorm
B&H photo
And this
Jacque Divinity
04.09.2011		if you have plenty of light flip cams are ok for what they are and what they do. iphone 4 video is comparable too.

also, for their price, look at a gopro hd hero or a drift hd170 (we use both in our videos)... again plenty of light is preferable due to their small lens and sensor sizes.

the nikon d5000 is a decent camera, also look at the canon rebel range too. both the d5000 and rebel series camera do hd video as well as take great photos.

with all the camera's i've listed here, audio is pretty sub par. the nikon dslr you are looking at only has audio recording via the little on board mic, while the canon dslr's offer audio in connection allowing you to connect an external mic via 3.5mm jack. an external mic is almost a necessity.

the canon's also have a fairly active firmware hacking community.

also look at second hand video cameras like a canon hv20/hv30/hv40 (HDV - mini dv tape based) or something from canon's HF series or similar (AVCHD/MP4 - card based)

for buying cameras B&H photo always have pretty good deals/prices on cameras and accessories. also check out amazon and ebay... but i'd prob go B&H as they are quite reputable.
Lin Danek
02.09.2011		Been using Flip Camera for last 3 days at a fitness conference. Getting up to 90min recording time PO. It's asounding Smi7. Excellent quality, simple to use, easy to charge/upload via built in flip out (hence name) USB (3.0 compatible). If Cisco chokes, someone will pick this up. Brilliant gadget.
Neville Blackinton
02.09.2011		You can pick up the Flipcams for pretty cheap right now and they do well with video. Keep in mind that you are limited to about an hour of record time and Cisco is killing the company.

http://www.theflip.com/en-us/ $80 gets you a 4GB model.

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